lol. wait, you didn’t like Lead Into Gold, and you figured you might like some other solo stuff by Paul? sigh…
I have been playing the crap outta this disc. I’m very happy with it.
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Well, to each his own. For the record, though, this comes nowhere close to rocking as hard as DSOTS does, though.
That’s because DSOTS is the greatest record known to mankind.
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Please share whatever it is y’all are smoking. DSOTS is at best good for being a beer coaster on my table.[/reply]
couldn’t tell ya what it is cause I don’t smoke… It’s just a damn good album! Beer coaster! Bite your tongue sir!
Late,
grmpysmrf
Grmpy: just for you, I will dust it off (again) one last time and give it a possible final spin. I’ll see if my tastes have changed over the past 2 years.
I seem to recall the only songs I liked on this album were: (and I had to look at the ministry discography to see the titles since I had long since forgotten most of them)
Supermanic Soul, Step, and Linda Summertime.
Any other suggestions? Common Grmpy, it’s your chance to sell me on this!
Grmpy: just for you, I will dust it off (again) one last time and give it a possible final spin. I’ll see if my tastes have changed over the past 2 years.
I seem to recall the only songs I liked on this album were: (and I had to look at the ministry discography to see the titles since I had long since forgotten most of them)
Supermanic Soul, Step, and Linda Summertime.
Any other suggestions? Common Grmpy, it’s your chance to sell me on this!
Anyother suggestions? Are you kidding? “Eureka Pile” & “Nursing Home” are Ministry’s deadliest most PHATTEST most bad-ass most sarcastic spiked songs of their career. They also happen to be two of the coolest songs known to mankind and are the sole reason that album is the greatest record known to mankind. I hope this helps.
“Eureka Pile” is indeed awesome. I’m a big fan of “Kaif” as well.
Indeed DSOTS is an album that at first listen i did not really care for, but overtime it has become one of my favorites. Supermanic Soul is a great opener, frenetic and to the point while the jazzy meanderings of Eureka Pile are awesome. Its the BASS on this album that has me sold, its equal amounts of fuzz and sludge. Da Toof is right Nursing Home is where its at, and Vex and Siolence is the best Paul song ever!!! The songs that I do not care that much for are Bad Blood, Whip and Chain, and Step. (The music for Step is good, but the goober voice just does it in for me [:/] this perhaps should have been saved as a Revco song i don’t know)
The only song on ‘Darkside of the Spoon’ that is total shit is “Whip & Chain”.
“Vex & Siolence” is good but quite bare and in desperate need of a good bridge or additional instrumentation to add variation.
“Bad Blood” suffers from Ty Coon’s “vocal contributions” but is otherwise a good track.
The other songs are pure gold IMO. “Kaif” in particular may seem boring at first but is awesome because of the shifting time signatures (I believe it goes from 10/4 to 4/4) and the fact that it is so different from other Ministry songs.
If you don’t like this album, you probably just wanted Ministry to remain a cliche 4/4 stomping Industrial Metal act like so many of their clones instead of evolving and trying new shit.
The funny thing is that so many critics at the time accused this album of being just that. Check this Rolling Stone review:
“Ministry’s Al Jourgensen hasn’t updated his methodology since 1992’s brilliant Psalm 69, on which he and collaborator Paul Barker synthesized aggro-disco beats and heavy-metal instrumentation into the ultimate in industrial dance music. 1996’s Filth Pig merely plodded in its predecessor’s tracks; now Dark Side of the Spoon sinks into the same complacent rut. From the stentorian rhythms and predictably ghoulish vocal samples to the bellowed doomsday incantations and chugging wall of guitars, everything here feels like a reflex. Especially irksome is the hectoring, more-decadent-than-thou formula that leads Jourgensen to sneer, “I’d like to apologize to all my wonderful fans for sticking by me through such troubled times/I love all you so much/I wish I could take you all to the Betty Ford clinic.” Spoon is the sound of a great band slipping into a self-induced coma: When Jourgensen wails, “I always wake up angry/Because I always wake up me” (“Eureka Pile”), the only plausible response is to hit the snooze button.”
I mean, are you fucking KIDDING ME?!? They completely changed the formula for both albums following ‘Psalm 69’! The funny thing is that if they had released a re-tread, the critics would have at that shit up.
This album is one of those overlooked gems that, with time, reveals itself to be so much more interesting than the “classics” of the band’s catalog.
That Rolling Stone review got it completely, utterly and spectacularly wrong. What an embarrasing spiel of nonsense. The reviewer deserves a couple a slaps to the head. If someone can say that about DSOTS at that time they are patently unfit to be writing for a music magazine.
Shite.
If you don’t like this album, you probably just wanted Ministry to remain a cliche 4/4 stomping Industrial Metal act like so many of their clones instead of evolving and trying new shit.
Nah, I just wanted them to remain good.
Like I said, I’ll give it another go, and we’ll see.
[reply]If you don’t like this album, you probably just wanted Ministry to remain a cliche 4/4 stomping Industrial Metal act like so many of their clones instead of evolving and trying new shit.
Nah, I just wanted them to remain good.
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Bwa-ha-ha!
Excellent.
There are bits of the album that I like, but overall I can leave it. There’s not much of what I got into Ministry for in the first place there.
Grmpy: just for you, I will dust it off (again) one last time and give it a possible final spin. I’ll see if my tastes have changed over the past 2 years.
I seem to recall the only songs I liked on this album were: (and I had to look at the ministry discography to see the titles since I had long since forgotten most of them)
Supermanic Soul, Step, and Linda Summertime.
Any other suggestions? Common Grmpy, it’s your chance to sell me on this!
I don’t dig on the first two songs I mean supermanic and Blood are ok songs but I don’t think they fit with the feel of the record (I’m sure the RS reviewer probably only really listened to the first two tracks and made his whole review off of those two songs to me that would make sense) those first two give the album a false start, in my opinion.
But, I gotta go with the the toot, Nursing Home is pretty bad ass! I love that bass riff. My next favorite off of the record is 10/10 Love that frantic sax solo, it’s brilliant. But, they are all decent tracks. Kaif is so god damned depressing I wouldn’t be surprised if JKB would cover it for a jesu track. Whip and Chain is a great tune as well. I think step is supposed to be an attempt as a Joke tune in the midst of all of this heavy music still a good song though.
My advice to you is don’t dust it off and give it A spin dust it off and give it SEVERAL spins (Just put the whole disc on repeat). but don’t just sit down and specifically listen to the CD, have that shit going in the background… you gotta be doing something else. I believe in the Marijuana world, this album would be referred to as a “Creeper”
I know what you mean, buddy, cause when it first came out, I listened to it and shelved that fucker away, going what the fuck was that horseshit? But I also sat down and did nothing but give the album my total attention you can’t do that with this album. (at least not at first)
But then several years later I was in a rut with my music so I figured fuck it. I know I hate this CD but at least it’s not the same old nonsense I’ve been listening too for the last several months. Let me just put this DSOTS CD in and ignore the shit out of it, that way when I go back to my music rut it will seem brilliant compared to listening to DSOTS. So I put that CD on and ignored the shit out of it did laundry played, video games, cleaned the house, you know, other shit and holy crap I was hooked! it’s kinda like how you get a chick to like you, just ignore the shit out of her while she is around, well same thing here only instead of getting the CD to like you you will like the CD. The hidden riffs come out, the crazy instruments start to flow, it’s just… dare I say, Magic!
Late,
grmpysmrf
[reply]If you don’t like this album, you probably just wanted Ministry to remain a cliche 4/4 stomping Industrial Metal act like so many of their clones instead of evolving and trying new shit.
Nah, I just wanted them to remain good.
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Fuck that “good” shite. With this album they became DEVASTATING!
it’s kinda like how you get a chick to like you, just ignore the shit out of her while she is around, well same thing here only instead of getting the CD to like you you will like the CD.
Once its not the chick on the cover of the album in question!
On the inside sleeve I had to fold it in a different way so that the black sleeve faces you when you open the cd instead of the fat arse.
Man, there’s only a certain amount of ugliness I can stomach.
I don’t dig on the first two songs I mean supermanic and Blood are ok songs but I don’t think they fit with the feel of the record
I’m afraid I’ll have to correct a few things here…
First of all “Supermanic Soul” is the greatest beginning to a Ministry record full stop. That is Ministry’s most bad-ass “apocalyptic gangster funk” song ever and it’s the perfect start for the beast known as the Spoon. I mean when that earthquake guitar section part (you know the one) breaks down and throws in those classic funk riff snippets it’s just pure un-adulterated Ministry genius. “Supermanic Soul” was also the coolest live song Ministry did imo.
Second of all “Bad Blood”…that is my least fav on the album (along with “Vex & Siolence”) although I do think the riff is fantastic…BUT the correction there is that that song is track 3.
Track 2 “Whip Or Chain” is definately one of my top 5 on the album. I think it’s fucking great. If I was going to get rid of two tracks on the album it would be “Bad Blood” & “Vex & Siolence”.
Like I said earlier though the riff on “Bad Blood” is great and would have been magic if used with a great riddim section/samples and lyrics/vocals.
“Vex & Siolence” is the worse song on the album. Pure un-adulterated pish. The song is fucking ugly…and that’s the only reason I kind of feel at ease with it being on the album[cool]
I remember Al saying in an interview that all but two of the songs on DSOTS were shelved and they started again…I wonder what those songs sounded like??? I imagine they weren’t reincarnated for the Bush trilogy.
Oh and by the way…I’m one of those folk who thought this album was gold from the momment I heard it.
I agree 99.9% with Maggitooth, Supermanic Soul is one of the few reasons i still listen to DSOTS. Bad Blood is pure crapolla its like Al is not even trying, there is no feeling to that song. I also like Nursing Home, but i feel the saxophone ruins it a bit, that dumbass sax solo is annoying! And Eureka Pile. What can i say. FFFucking awesome “like some quicksand baby running off my summer wiieeeiiieeeiiine”. Did they ever play that shit live?
DSOTS was my first Ministry record and Nursing Home the first song I heard. That album was the main reason I got into Ministry and is still my favourite thought it feels a little incomplete. If they threw in some of the best Filth Pig tracks in it it would be even great. Vex and Kaif are my least favourite tracks but I still like them. I really don’t like Paul singing.
And Eureka Pile. What can i say. FFFucking awesome “like some quicksand baby running off my summer wiieeeiiieeeiiine”. Did they ever play that shit live?
yes they did play it several times on the '99 tour. on the album it has a great ending in the form of “aaaablahblahblahblah… aaaah, fuck it”
what about happy dust then? it was made during the album sessions, i imagine.
I mistyped for sure! Damn Toot, you got me! I’ve always thought Blood and Supermanic were tracks 1&2 and they are not! I checked all 3 versions of my CDs and all of them have Blood and Supermanic as tracks 1&3. I wonder what made me think that. Perhaps it’s because Blood and Supermanic book end Whip and Chain and to my tone deaf ear, Blood and Supermanic are the stand out tracks to me that sound like they were mixed completely different at a different time than the rest of the CD. I prefer the Mix of the other songs.
As far as Supermanic and Blood go. I agree Blood is the worst song on the CD, But you are right Supermanic is a good tune, a great tune if I may be so bold, but I don’t think it fits with the overall mood of the CD. I think Supermanic would’ve fit nicely at the end of psalm 69 to take the place of Grace and Corrosion (actually if I were to really start rearranging, I would’ve put Supermanic where scarecrow is and put scarecrow at the end of the CD. Or just remixed scarecrow in the vein of most of the songs on DSOTS and slipped it on DSOTS somewhere)
Everything on Spoon is dark, slow and low end heavy, where as Supermanic (and Blood) doesn’t nearly have the low end, it’s certainly not slow and I really think it’s one of the brighter tunes on the CD…
It’s weird you are not a big fan of Vex and Siolence, toot. That’s easily the darkest track on the CD. (musically anyway- as I said Earlier, I think, over all, Kaif is the most depressing song Ministry has ever done!)
I remember Al saying in an interview that all but two of the songs on DSOTS were shelved and they started again…I wonder what those songs sounded like??? I imagine they weren’t reincarnated for the Bush trilogy.
All but two huh? You think it might be the two that sound completely different from the other songs on the album? Perhaps, ugh… I don’t know… tracks 1&3 maybe?
Late,
grmpysmrf
“Kaif” was one of the two. It was recorded around 1996 or 1997, if I remember right.