There are at least two videos from the '99 Euro Clitour -07/01/99 Roskilde and 07/10/99 Milton. I don’t believe Ministry ever played any DSOTS songs on the Euro tour.
What the fuck, why?
‘Dark Side of the Spoon’ fucking rules. Why the fuck would you tour for a new album and not play songs from it? Guess the critical and commercial reception was just that bad, eh?
What was the reception like around here? (Was Prongs around then?) Or among the fan base at the time? Probably a coilective “what the fuck?”
It’s too bad Ministry fans are such turds and left in droves when the band broke out of 4/4 industrial stomp. Melvins fans are way cooler.
I know I was around for a while (year or two maybe) before animosit… because I found out about the new album here… I don’t remember it being called waste.org at the time but maybe… it was a while ago lol. Thought I joined around 99… probably more like 2001 or something… I remember the songs of the week being up at the time… think I found this place googling same old madness lol.
Anyway… I dont remember reception for DSOTS being that great, until after Animost… was released… I remember threads WANTING Psalm Pt II lol…
In 1999 I don’t believe Prongs was around, I’m fairly certain it was located at it’s predecesor waste.org at the time.
prongs.org started in 1998, however, this Ministry page has been around since 1994, just on different servers (one of which was waste.org, as you mentioned). Prior to that, at universities I was studying at during the time. Wherever I moved to, it went with me.
I first started the page in Bahrain (Persian Gulf), where I spent the majority of my childhood.
‘Dark Side of the Spoon’ fucking rules. Why the fuck would you tour for a new album and not play songs from it?
Dark Side Of The Spoon is patchy. Starts of well, soon descends into murky goth industrial metal. I prefer the deep, rolling basslines and warm thick fuzz of Filth Pig.
Dark Side is still decent though, much better than post Barker shit. Nursing Home, Supermanic Soul and Step pretty much rule.
Guess the critical and commercial reception was just that bad, eh?
When it came out it received almost unanimously terrible reviews.
Worse than Filth Pig.
What was the reception like around here? (Was Prongs around then?) Or among the fan base at the time? Probably a coilective “what the fuck?”
Most people liked it, but there were complaints about the high end, trebly sound and general tinniness of the album.
It’s too bad Ministry fans are such turds and left in droves when the band broke out of 4/4 industrial stomp. Melvins fans are way cooler.
I think alot of the people who jumped ship after Psalm 69 weren’t true fans - just alternative music types sucked in by the more straight forward arena rock sensibilities of that album.
Also Filth Pig didn’t have anything ‘cool’ like Jesus Built My Hotrod on it, which confused the Jane’s Addiction / Soundgarden / Faith No More / Metallica crowd.
Melvins fans seem to be more inviting towards esoteric, left field stuff.
filth pig and DTOTS both also had the worst covers. Filth pig was just stupid. and DTOTS was just nasty, put the album down kinda artwork. I remember working in a cd store at the time and this one guy came in for it and was like, revolted enough to give me this speech, while paying, that he was thankful he had a 100 cd changer so he’d not see the booklet. Weird how people gotta justify unimportant shit to strangers sometimes.
My buddy bumped into Buzzo at one of the So. CA shows on the Filth Pig tour. He recognized him (not too difficult with Buzz’s massive afro) and went up and chatted him up. He said Buzz was a bit down and told him, “I need to do some better networking or something. I actually had to pay to get in here.”
Most people liked it, but there were complaints about the high end, trebly sound and general tinniness of the album.
What? the “tinnines”? filth and spoon are the heaviest mixed albums by ministry. psalm an and mind are horrendous for treble levels! how would anyone say spoon was to treble when they have psalm and mind in comparison
I think Filth Pig was the ministry stab at blues and Spoon was the ministry stab at Jazz both fuckin great!
Late,
grmpysmrf
actually, mind’s treble is easier on the ears than anything starting from psalm onwards. it just sounds softer. cleaner or smth. and starting from filth pig, “tinnitus al” effect was gradually emphasized further with loudness wars.
and the only jazzy track on spoon is step. so i don’t think it was stabs or anything, just trying something new while completely fucked up on drugs?
p.s. release extended versions of step & nursing home!..
I remember reading 2 reviews of Dark Side in summer 1999 and they both were positive, claiming Ministry were back on form following the Filth Pig reception! (Though they were generic metal/rock music magazines) Dark Side is more trebly/“tinny” than any album before it but it is by no means intrusive or deleterious to the might of the album. The treble went into overdrive with Animositisomina and the subsequent albums. I still hold Dark Side to the best produced Ministry album. It’s also a shame they did not play Dark Side material on the euro leg of the Clitour as some of the songs sound great live, esp. Supermanic Soul. Also I think Filth Pig and Dark Side were the best Ministry covers, they fit perfectly the music they accompany.
"I think alot of the people who jumped ship after Psalm 69 weren’t true fans - just alternative music types sucked in by the more straight forward arena rock sensibilities of that album.
Also Filth Pig didn’t have anything ‘cool’ like Jesus Built My Hotrod on it, which confused the Jane’s Addiction / Soundgarden / Faith No More / Metallica crowd."
No, i WAS a fan from the beginning, but lost interest after the MTV Headbanger’s ball shit kicked in (right around Psalm). Just different tastes, that’s all.
I remember reading 2 reviews of Dark Side in summer 1999 and they both were positive, claiming Ministry were back on form following the Filth Pig reception!
Yep same here.
I think one of them I read was in Guitar Mag.
The jist of the review was basically that Ministry were friggin back in fine form…I picked up Spoon a few days later and went friggin bananas. I loved that album from the moment Supermanic Soul blew shit up!
As for the covers of Filth Pig and Spoon…I think they’re hilarious. I love how folk find them utterly hideous.
I don’t hear the treble at all in Spoon. it’s all low end as far as my ear can tell. I’m not one of those people that keep the Bass Volume cranked to max either. I usually keep my bass level at 4 (on a scale of 1-6 in my car stereo (stock)) and my treble levels at 3… Just don’t hear the treble. If Mind and Psalm were mixed like Spoon I think those albums would be much heavier!
Gila
as far as blues and jazz go, I said that just because Pig seems so down trodden like that of a blues record “woe is me” and it sounds so dark.
Spoon comes off Jazzy to me because of all of the various instruments that sound like they are doing something completely different than actually following along with the song. Jazz= six different instruments playing six different songs at the same time.
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grmpysmrf
car stereos… they are very different one to another. psalm69 just seems trebly cause it lacks really low end bass; spoon has a fat low end to “balance” that. the constantly increasing album trebliness reached it’s peak at animositisomina (the bush ones are also trebly but not as much as that).
car stereos… they are very different one to another. psalm69 just seems trebly cause it lacks really low end bass; spoon has a fat low end to “balance” that. the constantly increasing album trebliness reached it’s peak at animositisomina (the bush ones are also trebly but not as much as that).
I know car stereos are generally crap. I was making the point that even in my car the low end is noticeable. I guess because that low end is so fat on spoon i don’t mind or even notice the treble levels. sometimes I’m really happy I don’t have such a precise ear. CDs have to be mixed really really badly in order for me to notice. I had no idea psalm was mixed as high as it is until I’d heard next to something as simple as a megadeth CD. Almost reminded me of a band that just hit record on a tape deck in their rehearsal space. don’t get me wrong I like psalm I just now hear it as super tinny.
Late,
grmpsmrf
i remember reading that during the euro-clit tour some of the reasons they did not play dsots material was that a. they had not hired max yet (sax) and b. they were having trouble with getting the banjo amp. with sound guy at that time luckly when i saw them they fixed all those issues by the way killface were you at that show? at the park
i remember reading that during the euro-clit tour some of the reasons they did not play dsots material was that a. they had not hired max yet (sax) and b. they were having trouble with getting the banjo amp. with sound guy at that time luckly when i saw them they fixed all those issues by the way killface were you at that show? at the park
