Grmpysmrf,
you make some decent points, and I would actually be inclined to agree for you,
but the fact he felt compelled to pay that kid out all those years ago for tens of millions to avoid the judicial process pretty much was an admission of guilt in my eyes.
I heard Jacko’s death was all a vicious rumour, he was actually found having a stroke in the children’s ward. [angelic]
Let’s rationalise this.[/quote]
OK!!!
<adopts thinking pose>
[reply]But the whole ‘kiddy fiddlin’ issue will never sit well with me.
That’s because you, my good man, are a shamer, a flamer and a blaming gamecock. You are also probably a lefty who will end up working for the government.
I also bet you voted for Kevin Rudd.
<shakes fist>
The reality is, he had to pay some 13 year old out in the early 90s for millions. If the guy was so assured of his innocence, would he have not followed the judicial path to prove his innocence? He did the second time when the claims were indeed proven to be patently absurd.
This is the ‘reality’?? Did you ever consider the fact that he was only acting on the advice of his ‘minders’. Nothing is always as it seems. Sometimes a horse is not a horse…if you know what I mean.
And there are alot worse things you can do in life than rub some kid’s privates. You think that the majority of ‘stars’ out there in Hollywoodland are squeaky clean? They may not be into boys as such but you can just imagine the dirty linen that clutter up their proverbial closets.
Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. That leaves me inclined to think MJ had more than a few ‘issues’ which were abhorrent on every level.
How many levels are we talking here? Three? Four? Help me out here.
Believing Jackson to be a pedophile is an assumption based on incomplete information. So thinking rationally, there is no way one can make this assumption.
Jackson could well have been a pedophile and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was. Nevertheless, until that is proved with information that is reliable, lets not forget that one is innocent until proven guilty. Keep in mind that when it comes to Jackson, reliable information is extremely difficult to come by due to the media circus around him and the fact that so many people already have these logically fallacious assumptions about him that they are sticking to.
I couldn’t care less about Jackson actually, this applies to any person out there, his case is merely a clear example.
That’s because you, my good man, are a shamer, a flamer and a blaming gamecock. You are also probably a lefty who will end up working for the government.
I also bet you voted for Kevin Rudd.
Ah, sticks and stones, Peligro [;)]. I’m actually inclined to align myself with the right, and to the extent that it’s caused more than a few ‘lively debates’ between me and some of my friends. But I’m not one to be totally narrow minded and a ‘fanatic’ of any ideology, philosophy, etc etc, and I indeed did vote for Rudd. Purely on the basis of his resemblance to the Milky Bar kid.
This is the ‘reality’?? Did you ever consider the fact that he was only acting on the advice of his ‘minders’. Nothing is always as it seems. Sometimes a horse is not a horse…if you know what I mean.
End of the day, it was his call, his final word. And, it’s ironic that when he decided to contest the other case in 200-whatever and take it to court, it was proven to be a patently absurd allegation. I mean, he KNEW he was innocent in THAT case; so he took it to court, and won. In the other case, why didn’t he follow the same procedure if he was so assured of his innocence? The lack of continuity in that regard pretty much indicts him in my eyes. I could very well be wrong, but I’m entitled to think what I think, as are you.
And there are alot worse things you can do in life than rub some kid’s privates.
No. Just… no.
You think that the majority of ‘stars’ out there in Hollywoodland are squeaky clean? They may not be into boys as such but you can just imagine the dirty linen that clutter up their proverbial closets.
That’s why I can’t stand most of them. No doubt, some of them are talented, but when they’re canonised to the extent that some of them are by the media, their fan(atic)s and their peers, it’s pretty disgusting. They can do whatever depraved shit they like, and get away with it because they wrote a few good songs or could act well, but you get your average joe who actually does something useful and contributes to society, but might do one little thing wrong, and their peers, the law, etc will come down on that person like a tonne of bricks.
Don’t get me wrong; I ain’t a flaming moralist or whatever. Take a look at my gayspace and you’ll see that. But I hate inconsistency in the way people are treated by pure merit of their abilities which have nothing to do with anything really useful.
How many levels are we talking here? Three? Four? Help me out here
The underground level, after you go down the pipe, then you go up the pipe at the end of the level an you go into the underwater level.
End of the day, it was his call, his final word.
No. That’s the point I’m trying to make. When you get to that level of celebrity your life is not often yours to control.
And there are alot worse things you can do in life than rub some kid’s privates.
No. Just… no.
Yes there is. Granted it’s PERVY…but, say for instance, getting behind the wheel while intoxicated and wiping out an entire family is INFINITELY worse than touching some kid’s bottom and then copping a feel of his pee pee. For God’s sake man!!!
The whole ‘pedophile’ phenomenom has been well and truly blown out of proportion into the stratosphere.
I’m not saying it’s RIGHT but people do worse things EVERYDAY and never see the inside of a courtroom. How many parents emotionally abuse or neglect their kids?? That is EVERY BIT as bad as molestation - in terms of it having relatively the same long term effects. But because it isn’t PERVY…nobody cares.
You can show a dying child on tv but not a naked one? That speaks volumes.
Grmpysmrf,
…but the fact he felt compelled to pay that kid out all those years ago for tens of millions to avoid the judicial process pretty much was an admission of guilt in my eyes.
Well, what would a 10 year old do? Especially, if he was told by all of the “adults” that he could go to jail!!
As far as our legal system, it ain’t perfect see project DNA or deathrow or whatever it’s called (where like 100 or so deathrow inmates “saw it through to the end” and ended up on deathrow only to be set free 20-30 some odd years later thanks to DNA)
you tell that to a 10 year old/Michael Jackson and see if he doesn’t hand over his shiny new choo choo train (the = of tens of millions of dollars to MJ) to make it all go away?
Not only that, when that case was going on, I’d say very few people knew of mikes regression and probably wouldn’t understand it, which makes him even less likely to get off (LOL HaHa-accidental pun but now that it’s there…[:)]) So as a lawyer you hush money the kid, and slowly introduce the michael that has lost his mind to the populace.
clearly you can see a change from michael of old to michael of late, Clearly he’s not the same guy. I think $$ literally made mike lose his mind.
The dudes no pedophile, he was a sick dude trying to be a kid, NOT fuck one.
At the very least, he’s rich enough to go to thailand or where ever child prostitution is easily accessible, satisfy himself, and keep that shit quiet. but he never did that cause he wasn’t interested in fucking kids!
quick little recap:
#1 Mike’s a freak but nobody knows, so hush $ the accuser.
#2 introduce the new Mike to show the people the poor sick bastard for what he is… Poor (as in sad) and sick
#3 Round 2, most know of mike’s condition probably got a chance to beat the case… take it to court!
Let me turn now to Peligro:
You are also probably a lefty…
Funny you write that 'cause it’s the righties that hate Mike here. They even gave him a cute little nickname " the teflon molestor" Once he “beat” molestation case #2. Why do the righties hate our country so much they distrust the legal system?[;)]
Late,
grmpysmrf
Why do the righties hate our country so much they distrust the legal system?[;)]
Late,
grmpysmrf
O.J.
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‘End of the day, it was his call, his final word’.
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No. That’s the point I’m trying to make. When you get to that level of celebrity your life is not often yours to control.
We’re gonna have to agree to disagree on this point. But only because we’re both Australian and voidhead would rip into us for that. [crazy]
Yes there is. Granted it’s PERVY…but, say for instance, getting behind the wheel while intoxicated and wiping out an entire family is INFINITELY worse than touching some kid’s bottom and then copping a feel of his pee pee. For God’s sake man!!!
Yes, I agree to the extent that everyone’s definition of evil is relevant to their own moral and ethical sentiments. But, my point was… it’s fucked. Irrespective of what you measure it against. People have different measures of evil, and I respect that. I just feel it’s certainly something no amount of talent, success, fame, philanthropy or whatever can excuse.
Grmpysmrf, I won’t pick the specifics of your argument as I disagree with it on a whole, but you’re entitled to your opinions as much as I am with mine. The reality is, we both know as much as anyone else does. Yes, I believe the case against him in 2003 or 2004 or whatever year it was, was a load of money-grubbing bullshit, but as for the other case and the innuendo and bullshit that came with it, I’m more than inclined to rationalise it and weigh up the logic behind how he handled it and see him as a paedophile.
This is just what I think.
Give or take from it, I ain’t going to fire down other people for what they think. Opinions are what makes the world an interesting place. People who think otherwise tend to be dictators, loners or just… wankers. [:P]
Then again, that final sentence DOES totally negate the sentence before it… [:P]
Ah, shit I wish I had the philosophical nous of…
Oprah. [laugh]
And there are alot worse things you can do in life than rub some kid’s privates.
No. Just… no.
Yes there is. Granted it’s PERVY…but, say for instance, getting behind the wheel while intoxicated and wiping out an entire family is INFINITELY worse than touching some kid’s bottom and then copping a feel of his pee pee. For God’s sake man!!!
The whole ‘pedophile’ phenomenom has been well and truly blown out of proportion into the stratosphere.
I’m not saying it’s RIGHT but people do worse things EVERYDAY and never see the inside of a courtroom. How many parents emotionally abuse or neglect their kids?? That is EVERY BIT as bad as molestation - in terms of it having relatively the same long term effects. But because it isn’t PERVY…nobody cares.
You can show a dying child on tv but not a naked one? That speaks volumes.[/reply]
You see the world through some fucked up goggles, man. Do you know anyone who was molested as a child? It screws with them their entire life. Guilt, shame, confused sexuality, overt promiscuity . No doubt emotional abuse is bad, and physical abuse is almost as bad, but sexual molestation is on it’s own plane as far as being evil, imo. As far as wiping a family out while drunk, no doubt the severity is worse, but that’s like saying, “Why do people get mad at American soldiers for killing innocent Iraqi citizens? Bombing a whole village is much worse.” No shit. It doesn’t make the single death any less wrong.
It would be hard for me not to shoot someone dead if I caught them molesting my child. I would just kick them around if they were being physical or emotionally abusive.
Kudos to killface. You pretty much summarised everything I was thinking. HAILS.
You see the world through some fucked up goggles, man.
Well, that’s not completely untrue.
Do you know anyone who was molested as a child?
I know two girls and a guy that I know were molested as kids (one of them severely). There are two others I suspect of being victims of molestation.
It screws with them their entire life. Guilt, shame, confused sexuality, overt promiscuity . No doubt emotional abuse is bad, and physical abuse is almost as bad, but sexual molestation is on it’s own plane as far as being evil, imo.
Abuse is abuse. Sure, molestation can ruin a person’s life - I don’t disagree with that and yes it is a dispicable crime - but I have seen the same effects on people who were severely traumatised by bullying in school and who have gone through a living hell. One of them is a recluse and a complete shell of a person. I know two guys who committed suicide because of abuse they suffered at the hands of their high school tormentors.
But because this ‘abuse’ isn’t sexual in nature NOBODY is ever going to be punished for they did to these people who were more or less told to ‘get over it’. I wonder how it would look if the victims of sexual abuse were told to ‘get over it’ and get on with their lives.
As I said - abuse is abuse. We should be as outraged at emotional and physical abuse as we are when it comes to sex crimes. But we aren’t because it doesn’t crawl under our skin in the same way.
Bullying is now in epidemic proportions in Australian schools. It is out of control. The statistics are harrowing. Something like three or four high school students committ suicide here every week. This is something we should be outraged by - instead it’s more or less mandatory in our culture. Even our prime minister is a petulant cunt of a bully.
What hope do we have?
thanks for the link to the blog… guy says some interesting things
Abuse is abuse. Sure, molestation can ruin a person’s life - I don’t disagree with that and yes it is a dispicable crime - but I have seen the same effects on people who were severely traumatised by bullying in school and who have gone through a living hell. One of them is a recluse and a complete shell of a person. I know two guys who committed suicide because of abuse they suffered at the hands of their high school tormentors.
Definitely.
Bullying is an issue that requires some serious attention in the community. Like smoking, the effects of how damaging this really is has been suppressed (or not studied deeply enough) for too long. I was bullied at school for about a year - although the bullying never got uncontrollable and I was able to stand up to it to some extent. It never got physical - I never got beaten up - but it was some years before I could finally clear my mind of all the suffering and anguish that even mild bullying had caused. I blamed myself, I blamed the teachers and I blamed my family. With help and with counselling I was able to pull through and move on with my life - but I guess others weren’t so lucky. I read an article last week about a guy in his early 30’s who has not been able to work or leave the house and has been on daily medication since he finished high school because he was so traumatised by bullying. It got to the point where if he sees a group of teenage boys walking towards him on the street he will have a severe panic attack.
That’s fucked up.
But because this ‘abuse’ isn’t sexual in nature NOBODY is ever going to be punished for they did to these people who were more or less told to ‘get over it’. I wonder how it would look if the victims of sexual abuse were told to ‘get over it’ and get on with their lives.
True. How silly would it look if you took someone to court because they bullied you at school 30 years ago. Yet people do this all the time to adults who ‘touched’ them when they were kids and we accept that.
I was a bully at school, heh.
Now Karl Malden too. He made it to a great age though. Fair play to him. He was a very good actor.
RIP.
Comparing bullying to sexual molestation is retarded. I’ve never heard of anyone other than sex offenders and defense lawyers try and downplay sex offense.