Did Al hate his early work?

Mostly talking about Twitch and LORAH, what's the deal?...does Al really dislike his early work, or does he prefer to just be as progressive as possible, and be more guitar driven and completely disregard most of his early work.

don’t mind me bitchin’ but it bothers me that he wouldn’t at least acknowledge the awesome fucking music he made in the 80s (not including WS since he clearly stated several times that he hates the record) during Ministry’s last tour. Has he ever stated that he doesn’t like Twitch or most of LORAH? Not to disrespect his later work, although in my honest opinion it cannot compare to his early work, I still like it…and I sadly missed the last Ministry tour which sucks but eh, oh well.

would have been awesome to see Ministry do the land of rape and honey, or Just like you live on the last tour, but I guess that’d leave a lot of Ministry’s last band lineup with nothing to do onstage

I don’t think he hates it as he still signs those albums(he won’t sign WS) I think it has more to do with him being progressive.
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I think he just gets bored with anything more than a few years old.
I doubt he would have played even Thieves and the Psalm 69 material on the last tour if he didn’t think people would riot.

Right, Al has always been keen on focusing on whatever album he is promoting at the time, and phasing out older songs from the setlists. I remember around when Psalm 69 came out he mentioned that he wanted that tour to be the last time they played stuff like the Missing, Deity, etc…

every band is raving about their current album and they’re promoting it by playing alot of songs from it on the respective tours.

some boots from pre-lorah and lorah tours show they still played some twitch stuff, only “hardened up” (we believe, isle of man/where you at now combo were still played on lorah tour for example) so al is definately not embarassed about twitch stuff, he also stated that in a couple of interviews.

as far with sympathy deal goes, he still was doing some pop stuff after he left arista (halloween, all day) but a bit harshened up, moreso he did that stuff before (primental, and infamous same old mandess) so him saying that “arista made me do all that pop shit” is kind of not true. either he was just fed up with it or got into harder stuff musically which made him change the style so dramatically. i can see him being emarassed about with sympathy stuff for sure, yes, especially when he was doing stuff like stigmata, thieves, nwo and especially some venomous filth pig stuff, but denying that he once was into synths and poppy music is just what it is - denial.

i even remember one of his interviews when he sort of admitted it like “sure, alot of that stuff is me, yes, but they blah blah blah (insert his usual arista putdown)”. so there. the last time ministry played really old shit was far back in 2003 when they played “we believe” but only on a couple of shows.

the 2003 tour had very very balanced setlist, included all the staples (thieves nwo stigmata so what, etc), 3-4 songs from animositisomina, 2 from dark side, several from filth pig. too bad no good official recording of it exists, it would’ve been good “final” release for the band.

after that barker left, al started his own label and then the setlist changes were realy apparent - mostly new stuff with less and less of the “old” stuff. the main factor for the changes is probably copyright issues, as warner own probably all of '86-2002(3) stuff. this is also the obstacle for any of the re-releases/remasters.

i can see that anyone can get tired of playing any song, no matter how good or popular it is for too long, that’s for sure. but the last tour was very disappointing because the advertisment said “setlist spanning exciting 25 years of ministy’s career” and instead people got exact same setlist everywhere (save for a few dates) with the bush trilogy songs and a couple of popular hits.

the culmination for that was when al announced “we’re gonna play some old ones, this is called n.w.o.” and the band kicks in playing “no w”, lol indeed. and then later he states that latest revco album is his best creation EVER. no comments!!

Longisland09, check out some of the interviews on prongs.org/ministry, circa 88-90. Al was asked about Twitch a few times, and his general reply was that there were compromises made (maybe the label asked him to include All Day, since there were no real singles present?), but that he was “certainly not embarrased by that album”. On a scale of 1-10, he gave Twitch a 7. As far as LORAH is concerned, I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t like anything beyond track 3 on that one.

The LORAH tour was awesome, though the Mind tour to me was the peak of Ministry’s live performances. The farewell tour set list was the ultimate ‘fuck you’ to the fans. You might find a post or two about that if you search the forum. :wink:

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I am really jealous for anyone who saw them on the tour for ‘Animositisomina’. I think that album and tour was really a culmination of where they had gone up until that point. Kind of marrying the sludgy, experimental ‘Filth Pig’ - ‘Dark Side’ era with the earlier more thrash/heavy metal ‘Psalm’ aesthetic and the post punk percussion of ‘Mind’. The tour was the same I felt regarding set list. I would kill to hear “We Believe” 2003 version. Barker must have been the one pushing for the older material because the set lists changed drastically when he left the band. For example NOTHING post ‘Psalm 69’ was included on any Ministry tour after Barker left the band. Am I wrong?

Does anyone have set lists from the ‘Animositisomina’ tour?

As far as copyright issues, I don’t think that affects what they can play live. I mean by the time of ‘Animositisomina’ they were already on Sanctuary and so theoretically shouldn’t have had copyright to the Warner Bros stuff…

I would also have liked a proper live album from Fornicatour ('03) as it was a career spanning collective (well it had no pre-Barker stuff but it was the nearest thing to a proper career spanning tour). It would have made sense to do it then. The setlist from June '03 included the following in a rough, not very accurate running order:

Animosity
Unsung
Piss
Dead Guy
Filth Pig
Bad Blood
Psalm 69
Crumbs
Supermanic Soul
Scarecrow
NWO
Just One Fix
Hero
Thieves
Stigmata
Breathe
Supernaut
Light Pours Out of Me
JBMHR

(I can’t remember if they played Reload, they could have. I lost the original piece of paper where I had the setlist recorded as it played out)

It was an unreal gig, I couldn’t have asked for better (well maybe Lava but I wasn’t going to push it)

Also though I didn’t see them in '90 I wouldn’t doubt that’s when they were their best live, based on ‘In Case…’ and also that’s when Ministry were emerging as a proper force of industrial music.

Good times.

reload was played for sure

I’m pretty sure there was an interview circa 2007-08 in which Al calls LORAH his favourite Ministry record. Unfortunately I have no idea where this was posted.

that can’t be!! his fave album was first houses, then sucker, then finally sexxo

Reload was played on the 2003 tour, but not really near the end of the Euro leg, due to problems with the mandolin. I think he broke it, or lost it, so they just dropped it.

eh i don’t know… i’d get annoyed if i was going on tour and people are bored shitless for the new songs that I wrote and want to hear the “old good stuff” that i had perhaps maybe a little bit less to do with.

I would also have liked a proper live album from Fornicatour ('03) as it was a career spanning collective (well it had no pre-Barker stuff but it was the nearest thing to a proper career spanning tour). It would have made sense to do it then. The setlist from June '03 included the following in a rough, not very accurate running order:

Animosity
Unsung
Piss
Dead Guy
Filth Pig
Bad Blood
Psalm 69
Crumbs
Supermanic Soul
Scarecrow
NWO
Just One Fix
Hero
Thieves
Stigmata
Breathe
Supernaut
Light Pours Out of Me
JBMHR

(I can’t remember if they played Reload, they could have. I lost the original piece of paper where I had the setlist recorded as it played out)

It was an unreal gig, I couldn’t have asked for better (well maybe Lava but I wasn’t going to push it)

Also though I didn’t see them in '90 I wouldn’t doubt that’s when they were their best live, based on ‘In Case…’ and also that’s when Ministry were emerging as a proper force of industrial music.

Good times.

Now that’s a fucking setlist. Though you should add “We Believe” (2003) and “Reload” as they were also confirmed for that tour.

I’d also like to see “Lava” added and a few others and stuff like “Hero” dropped, and I’d maybe switch the songs played from ‘Animositisomina’ a bit. But hot damn if that isn’t an awesome setlist. I would cream myself to have seen that.

Ministry may have been more and intense and energetic live (I won’t deny that for a second) during the ‘Mind’ days, but I’d much rather attend a Fornicatour gig than a gig for ‘Mind’. Call me crazy…

Show I saw: San Francisco 3/2003
Animosity
Unsung
Piss
Deadguy
Filth Pig
Bad Blood
Psalm 69
Crumbs
Supermanic Soul
Reload
NWO
Just One Fix
Hero
Thieves
Jesus Built My Hotrod
Breathe
Stigmata
The Light Pours Out Of Me

another recording :
Philadelphia 5/2003
Animosity
Unsung
Piss
Deadguy
Filth Pig
Bad Blood
Psalm 69
Crumbs
Supermanic Soul
Reload
NWO
Just One Fix
Hero
Thieves
So What
Breathe
Stigmata
The Light Pours Out Of Me
Supernaut
Jesus Built My Hotrod

Fornicatour was undoubtedly a very good set list, despite how little I like FP and DSOTS, and it’s a shame every city didn’t get We Believe. I prefer the Mind tour to this one, because of these particular live selections:

Land Of Rape and Honey
Stainless Steel Providers
Man Should Surrender
No Bunny
Public Image
Burning Inside
Breathe
Smothered Hope

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yeah mind tour was also very cool in terms of setlist
they also played side project tunes, etc

I can respect Al for wanting to move forward than dwell in the past. But, when you go see a show, it’s kind of a given to expect some older ones. Not just the new ones. The new songs aren’t reason you sold those tickets. So unless you’re playing a show for some piss(army)ants, some people will probably hope and expect some variety.

“the 2003 tour had very very balanced setlist, included all the staples (thieves nwo stigmata so what, etc), 3-4 songs from animositisomina, 2 from dark side, several from filth pig. too bad no good official recording of it exists, it would’ve been good “final” release for the band.”

Too bad indeed. This would be the tour I missed because they didn’t come to my town and I had no money to head down to the states. Sucks.
The Filth Pig tour was great though, and I’m glad it at least was documented with video and audio (I got a big black eye at that show. A big bald dude’s elbow came at me in slow motion whist the strobe lights flashed and connected pretty good). I would love to see some stuff from the 03 tour though, that was the real end in my opinion.

It’s a strange thing isn’t it?

I recall Al’s reasoning for not wanting to play a lot of the older material on the ‘farewell/fuckyou’ tour revolving around him being sick of playing ‘the same old songs all the time’.

Gimme a break. With a back catalogue that extensive, it ain’t hard to mix things up a little bit.

And he certainly isn’t ‘ashamed’ of LORAH or Twitch. He seems to look back on LORAH fondly whenever it’s mentioned, asme with Twitch given it’s the first album where he had ‘full creative control’… to some extents, they’re just as unlistenable (THIS IS A GOOD THING!!! [laugh]) as each other…

He claims, PROUDLY, claims Every Day is Halloween was the first song where he did everything unfettered by record company demands… and I mean, the similarities on that to his With Sympathy era stuff are pretty obvious so… make up yer own mind [;)]