cultural figures who slighted you (but you don't wish to die)

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I must say, i absolutely love Pantera and was surprised at how many people seem to dislike them. Each to his/her own though, i can understand why it doesn’t appeal to everyone. The early pre-Phil stuff is fun too, serious musical skill and a good chunk of pure cheese. As for Phil, i used to think he was the biggest fucking dipshit in music, but he genuinely seems to have changed and is a thoughtful, hugely talented guy with an enormously broad range of projects on the go at once, from his many bands to his festival to that comedy show Metal Grasshopper. I’ve gone from hating the guy (but admiring his talent) to being really impressed by pretty much everything he does and says. Well, not quite everything, he can still be a dick, for instance Marzi Montazeri found out he wasn’t in The Illegals any more through the internet. But Marzi refuses to say anything bad about Phil and says he’d work with him again.

Out of all his bands i’ve only seen Down, twice, but seeing them the first time is what changed my mind about him, he’s one of the greatest frontmen i’ve ever seen. Anyway, Phil’s definitely a much more laidback, humourous and non-shittalking these days than he used to be.

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I must say, i absolutely love Pantera and was surprised at how many people seem to dislike them.

This. But like you said. To each his own.

Metal Grasshopper (especially episode 2), is some of the best stuff I have seen. “I’m gonna go make a fucking awesome salad”. Classic.

I saw Down a few times. First time was when they opened for Heaven and Hell. To this day I have never seen an opening band utterly blow away the headliners as I did at that show. They were amazing.

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Pantera, for me, represents the moment metal stopped being music for misfits and weirdos and started being music for jocks and bullies. Burly bald guys, getting into mosh pits and swinging their arms around with no intent other than to injure people.

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At Ozzfest 2002 I had won tickets from a radio contest to “meet the Osbournes”, so KROQ also arranged a backstage BBQ for the winners, which was pretty great.
At the backstage area we were at (the Glen Helen/ San Bernardino venue is massive) we could see the various artists getting carted through on golf carts or walking past. A number of us had started leaning through this area of fence and shouting at the bands coming and going. Nothing rude, just spirited support, regardless of who they were. Someone would recognize a sign on the cart or the actual band and we’d all shout out, “ALL RIGHT!!! P.O.D. RULES!!! YEEAAAAHHH!!!” Almost all of them were quite pleased to have this impromptu cheering section showing them all good will and support and would wave or throw the horns as they scooted past.

Then Serj Tankian (System of a Down) started walking past, and totally ignoring us. We all shouted louder, “SERJ!!! SERJ!!! SYSTEM OF A DOWN RULES!!! SERJ!!!” Then he finally glanced over his shoulder and basically rolled his eyes and snubbed us. At first we laughed and high-fived “HELL YEAH!!! He looked at us! That was awesome!!!” And then one of us shouted, “Wait a second! That wasn’t cool. HE SNUBBED US!!!” And then came the taunts which got increasingly elevated. “SERJ is a DICK!!! Screw System! Your band SUCKS!!!” None of us were emotionally invested in it, per se, but just caught up in the fun crowd which was now all one-upping each other by shouting hate at Serj until security came over and told us all to settle down.

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Then Serj Tankian (System of a Down) started walking past, and totally ignoring us. We all shouted louder, “SERJ!!! SERJ!!! SYSTEM OF A DOWN RULES!!! SERJ!!!” Then he finally glanced over his shoulder and basically rolled his eyes and snubbed us. At first we laughed and high-fived “HELL YEAH!!! He looked at us! That was awesome!!!” And then one of us shouted, “Wait a second! That wasn’t cool. HE SNUBBED US!!!” And then came the taunts which got increasingly elevated. “SERJ is a DICK!!! Screw System! Your band SUCKS!!!” None of us were emotionally invested in it, per se, but just caught up in the fun crowd which was now all one-upping each other by shouting hate at Serj until security came over and told us all to settle down.

No wonder he snubbed us at the Fix screening. He remembered you, obviously.

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Saw a friend of mine get shit from Al for wearing a NIN shirt.

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Pantera, for me, represents the moment metal stopped being music for misfits and weirdos and started being music for jocks and bullies. Burly bald guys, getting into mosh pits and swinging their arms around with no intent other than to injure people.

That was hard core in the 80’s. NYHC fans were/are f’n crazy.
Agnostic Front, Cro-Mags, etc. When the breakdowns happen there are karate kicks all over those pits.

Good times, just have to watch your face.

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No wonder he snubbed us at the Fix screening. He remembered you, obviously.

I don’t know if he really snubbed us, per se, at “Fix”. I’m actually kind of surprised he didn’t turn and say “hi” to us, considering it looked like he was trapped by some babbling blow hard who wouldn’t shut up. Only reason I went over there was because I think you said your lady was a big fan. After standing there awkwardly for a minute or two I kind of lost interest.

Honestly, it was more exciting meeting Doug Freel than any of the D, or Z list quasi-celebrities. He was a really humble and cool cat and it was quite interesting to talk to him about the crazy stuff behind “Fix”.

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No wonder he snubbed us at the Fix screening. He remembered you, obviously.

I don’t know if he really snubbed us, per se, at “Fix”. I’m actually kind of surprised he didn’t turn and say “hi” to us, considering it looked like he was trapped by some babbling blow hard who wouldn’t shut up. Only reason I went over there was because I think you said your lady was a big fan. After standing there awkwardly for a minute or two I kind of lost interest./reply]
That is exactly right

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He never slighted me personally, but I’ve always kind of hated Hugh Hefner. I find him to be, all at once, creepy, gross, dull, self-absorbed, and just plain revolting.

Anyway, the Tom Leykis Show (don’t get me started) was broadcasting live from the Playboy Mansion with Hugh Hefner. So I took the chance to bust his shriveled balls on air. After getting past the screeners with my “cover question”, I got put through to Hugh Hefner.

“Oh, hey, Mr. Hefner. So, who would you like to have in your magazine that you’ve not been able to get yet?”

[boring ass PC answer] “Oh, well, I think it is important for Playboy to always stay current and we like to put models and celebrities in that people would like to see . . .”

“Oh, right. That’s great. Hey, Hugh, one more question, really quick . . .”

“Yes?”

“Which do you prefer? Prune juice or Metamucil?”

“Excuse me?”

“Prune juice or Metamucil, ya wrinkly old bastard!!!”

[click]

Tom tries to unsuccessfully right the ship, “Just ignore it. We get some immature jerks from time to time. NEXT CALLER, PLEASE!!!”

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Ha!

I worked at the Playboy Mansion for a while. Hef’s a decent guy to deal with, but I don’t disagree with your “creepy” assertions. The whole place is just a strange window into the decadent 70s.

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I worked at the Playboy Mansion for a while. Hef’s a decent guy to deal with, but I don’t disagree with your “creepy” assertions. The whole place is just a strange window into the decadent 70s.

Wow. That’s really cool.
What did you do there, if you don’t mind sharing?

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Remember when he had the 3 girlfriends living with him? Bridget, Holly and Kendra? They had a reality TV show about them, and I produced one season of it.

Spent 4 or 5 months at the Mansion. It was a very surreal experience.

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YES! I didn’t have cable at the time, so I didn’t follow the show, but I know it. If I recall right it was called “The Girls Next Door”. I did watch quite a bit of “Kendra” (a spinoff of that show) with my wife.

That show was likely one of the contributing factors to my disdain for the old codger.

Again, he never has come across as mean or wicked, just . . . gross and creepy. And I was always revolted at how these gold-diggin’, star-hitchin’ bimbos just feigned absolute joy and wonder at every stupid thing he did.

It can’t be that fun, hanging around an 80 year old man all the time, trying to act like he’s so cool on the dance floor or complimenting him in the hot tub for his “not currently drowning” skills. I just remember they’d always be sitting around, or walking somewhere, to a park, or to the tennis courts and everyone was slowed down to Hugh’s pace and acting like it was so exciting to be catering to this near-drooling piece of human beef jerky.

And he wouldn’t just dress like a normal person, either. Oh, look, it’s Hugh Hefner . . . and he’s got his Halloween costume on . . . dressed as Hugh Hefner. Stupid red silk pajamas, retarded Love Boat Captain Hat, slippers . . . just stop it.

I might be inferring way too much, as I probably only caught a few minutes of the show while on travel and in hotels, but the Hugh Hefner in my head is reason enough for me to hate the guy, even if he’s not exactly the same Hugh Hefner.

I think the funniest part ever, for me, was some feature I saw where they were inside the mansion and showing what life was like for them, and he shows how they like to hang out on the bed watching movies . . . . and he pulls out this weird ass console that was built in like 1973 so he could control the TV’s and VCR’s and such . . . and he’s just as proud of it as if it was built yesterday. And it just looks like a piece of junk. It’s like Rumplestiltskin woke up in 2015 . . . and came across a Commodore 64 computer and is bragging about how fast it is and how awesome the graphics are.

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Yeah, it was called Girls Next Door. I worked on the 5th Season.

And yeah, everything is way old fashioned in the house. It’s like a museum. And it’s nowhere near as big as it seems.

The only cool part was the game room. Tons of old school pinball machines and video games.

And his zoo. It was cool playing with Hef’s monkeys.

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The only cool part was the game room. Tons of old school pinball machines and video games.

And his zoo. It was cool playing with Hef’s monkeys.

Both of those sound like they would be my favorite spots too.

Have you been to the PINBALL HALL OF FAME in Las Vegas, by the way?

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There are museums in Vegas?

I never seem to get out of the bar. . .

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I had access to the entire house except Hef’s room. I’ve been in Kendra’s room to wake her up for the day.

The truth is, it’s not that crazy around there. It’s not like the girls walk around naked all day. They walk around almost naked, but you can see about the same at the beach on any given day.

The only time it got good was I once shot a hot tub party that Holly was having with some friends in the Grotto. But even then, I was dealing with the camera lenses fogging up and wasn’t really able to “enjoy” it.

Plus, I’m a professional and wouldn’t last long if I was oggling the talent and drooling every time some girl walked by. When I did leave the show, the guy who replaced me was eventually fired because he asked one of the POTM out.

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well shit! Does he at least own slaves? Are they minorities or British? Rich folks with British butlers got class out the ass. But, I struggle with seeing Hef that way. What’s the scoop?

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When I did leave the show, the guy who replaced me was eventually fired because he asked one of the POTM out.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
So classic.