cultural figures who slighted you (but you don't wish to die)

In the spirit of the holidays, and the whole peace on Earth / goodwill to men what-have-you, I think it’s time for a new thread to discuss (and celebrate) your NON-murdering and NON-wishing death upon celebrities who have wronged you.

So…George Martin not writing fast enough for a new “Game of Thrones” season to be filmed, and constantly killing off your favorite characters? Johnny Depp refused to shake your hand when you saw him at that one bar in L.A. that Charles Bukowski used to frequent? Amanda Fucking Palmer getting on your nerves with too many crowd-funding schemes?

They did all these horrible things to you, and you haven’t gone on some ‘dark web’ site to hire assassins that will stalk them unto their deaths?

Well, let’s use this space to celebrate your saintly resolve!

Most of my interactions with celebrities/rock stars/whatever have been good. However, I do have a couple good stories.

After a Sonic Youth show in college, Kim Gordon was such a bitch to me that Thurston Moore apologized to me personally. I asked her to sign a CD for my girlfriend, who was the biggest Kim fan, but was too sick to attend the show. She blew me off in such a rude way, that Thurston stopped, apologized and chatted me up for a while, as if he owed me something.

I don’t remember exactly what was said, but when I asked, she looked at me as if I had shit on her foot and told her that her mother was a whore.

Thurston was super cool though.

After a Sonic Youth show in college, Kim Gordon was such a bitch to me that Thurston Moore apologized to me personally. I asked her to sign a CD for my girlfriend, who was the biggest Kim fan, but was too sick to attend the show. She blew me off in such a rude way, that Thurston stopped, apologized and chatted me up for a while, as if he owed me something.

I don’t remember exactly what was said, but when I asked, she looked at me as if I had shit on her foot and told her that her mother was a whore.

Thurston was super cool though.

Yeah Kim Gordon is somebody who strikes me as more than a little humorless and unapproachable. I did actually spot Sonic Youth eating at a Wendy’s (not a typo) during a Japan tour and decided not to go in and introduce myself, despite knowing the members of their opening band - looked in the window and she had these ‘kill eyes’ going on and just felt it wasn’t worth the trouble.

And I guess I wouldn’t want people randomly coming up to me either while I’m chowing down on a Wendy’s double, and discussing alternate guitar tunings.

I saw mudhoney in memphis at the antenna club back in 91 (maybe?). i was a young buck. the show was wonderful, i got caught up - which is what we are all looking for. as a matter of fact… during the show i had a joint with me, i pulled it out, and placed on it on steve turner’s guitar pedal during some long ass jam grunge thing. shortly after he picks it up lights it, takes a hit, and hands it back to me. i take it, stand in the end of the little stage, take a hit, give it to mark arm to hit, and fall back into the crowd. it was awesome.

after the show we got outside mark arm is out there. (for the purpose of the story it’s important to note i have a southern accent.) we walk out, i fire up a cig, i walk up to him and i go “man, you guys rocked!”. he mocks my accent and says “‘a hil’ hil’ did we rock?”. i just froze. a few others did too, and i just kinda stared at him and it was really awkward. then he goes (i guess felling bad and awkward) goes, “we’re walking down to the P&H cafe you wanna grab a beer with us?”

truth.

In the spirit of the holidays, and the whole peace on Earth / goodwill to men what-have-you, I think it’s time for a new thread to discuss (and celebrate) your NON-murdering and NON-wishing death upon celebrities who have wronged you.

So…George Martin not writing fast enough for a new “Game of Thrones” season to be filmed, and constantly killing off your favorite characters? Johnny Depp refused to shake your hand when you saw him at that one bar in L.A. that Charles Bukowski used to frequent? Amanda Fucking Palmer getting on your nerves with too many crowd-funding schemes?

They did all these horrible things to you, and you haven’t gone on some ‘dark web’ site to hire assassins that will stalk them unto their deaths?

Well, let’s use this space to celebrate your saintly resolve!

Truth be told, if I had the privilege of meeting Al Jourgensen, I’d be such a geek…I’d make a complete ass out of myself cuz though I talk a good game, my tongue would roll out & my eyes would pop out of my head & like a tween into Justin Beiber, I’d faint like a star-struck fool.

The guy & his cronies like Barker, Rieflin, Scaccia, Biafra, Ogre, Reznor, etc… were the soundtrack to my youth. So yep, I’m an unforgivable fucking asshole cuz I am in fact a self-loathing asshole but make no mistake.

There is no one fan more committed or geeked out more than me…I own everything this Fucknut put out…even the shit I hate. I have it all in my arsenal cuz Jourgensen could take a huge shit & record it, mix it & then release it to the masses.

I’d be the 1st in line to pick that up…what do you think will happen when new Lard comes out…or the long awaited Surgical Meth Machine? I’m gonna get it regardless of anything else cuz I’m an obsessed sick twisted dumb fuck…BUT no worries y’all::::::

I know exactly how worthless & pathetic I am so thanks for your input but be rest assured…you’re not telling me anything I don’t already know.

Smell Ya Later…
[angelic][pirate]

That’s Michael Ian Black. He’s usually a pretty cool guy, so maybe he was just in a mood.

The first time I met Al Jourgensen face-to-face was absolutely one of the best experiences of my life. It was before the Anaheim show on the Evil Doer tour and I was to open the show, dressed as George Bush, to taunt the crowd, clown around on stage, and then “get raped by Al”. I had no expectations of hanging with the crew or anything, but Al welcomed me graciously onto his bus, told me to hang with him, and he and Angie were so overwhelmingly hospitable and gracious. I was very conscious to be a good guest, but it was just incredible how swell everyone was. And, more importantly, for me, was that it was when I met my hero and soon-to-be close friend Mike Scaccia. Anyway, that entire night was so sublimely great.

4 years later, I met Al AGAIN after one of the “last shows ever” in Dublin, Ireland. He was a drunken dick this time. Apologies to anyone who’s heard this story 10x, but . . .

Our posse (there was a gang of about 12-15 of us that all knew each other directly or indirectly from the Piss Army board) was back at Bleeding Horse drinking and Bud-the-Chud, who had sort of proclaimed herself defacto president of the Ministry fan club comes up and asks, “Who wants to meet Al?” No one was cheering or anything, and we were having fun drinking with each other, but I stood up, “Sure, why not. I’d like to say ‘hi’ again.” I followed her down, with a small group of our peeps following behind us. They had taken over what was basically a small supply closet to the side of the bar. I come in and Al is completely blotto . . . I go to shake his hand and I think I said something like, “Good to see you again, Al. Great show.” He barked back and motioned to Bud, “Do yew know herrrr?” … “Yes, Al. Of course I do. We’ve been hanging out quite a bit.” … “Well, if yew wanna get to ME, yew gotta go through HERRRR!!!” I just laughed, kind of shocked, but not really caring a whole lot. “Whatever, Dude. Bye.”

Outside was a small group of Irish businessmen who were making fun of my jacket and bandanna, and so I cracked some shitty jokes back at them and soon was drinking with them and talking trash. They asked me who was in the closet and I told them it was a small-time American rock star. They looked him up on their phones (none of them knew who Al or Ministry was, of course). Then one of the drunker ones asked me, “Can I go in there?”

“Who’s country is this? Yours or his?”
“OURS!!!”
“And who’s bar is this? Yours or his?”
“OURS!!!”
“Well, then it seems you got the right to do whatever you want.”
“RIGHT!!!”

And with that, drunken Irish dude stood up and opened the door and shoved his way inside, shouting, “IS THIS OSSY OSBOOOOURNE???” I fell on the floor laughing as Al’s crew clumsily tried to get my new best friend in the world out of the closet and away from Al.

Good times.

That’s Michael Ian Black. He’s usually a pretty cool guy, so maybe he was just in a mood.

No way dude, that was Michael Showalter that played Doug. Michael Ian Black played Captain Monterey Jack who would lecture high school students in the gym about the importance of turning off lights and other crap parents would drone on and on about when we were kids. Michael Ian Black plays Gaffigan’s wife’s gay friend on the Gaffigan show.
Man, I adored the state. Those guys were hilarious!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdh3-o_-JXc

Showalter stands up and says his name is doug and his friend think keeping lights in is cool!

I meant Michael Ian Black was the host on Burning Love.

I meant Michael Ian Black was the host on Burning Love.

Oh gotcha.

Got to meet quite a few astronauts when I worked for NASA-TV and for the most part they were great, probably because they were astronauts and have a certain personality profile they need to fit and they’re all really intelligent. And most of them are quite funny, candid, well-read and talented. Except for when I got the chance to work with Neil Armstrong. He’s notorious for being anti-social and anti-media so it wasn’t a surprise…but he seemed bored to tears besides. It was kind of a letdown.

As for artists… I worked for a custom console manufacturer called ‘Neotek’ so I got to meet a few producers who would come in to discuss what they wanted and one day Todd Rundgren came in. I’d idolized him since high-school, and while he wasn’t unpleasant or even a jerk… he just seemed so unknowledgeable about the workings of the console, and he already owned an older Neotek, that it really struck me as odd. He signed my copy of ‘A Wizard a True Star’ and even misspelled my name. It was a whole lotta ‘meh’.

One theory of mine about ‘creative’ types - it is more often the ones who are getting their first sniff of success, after long periods of anxiety and obscurity, who are some of the biggest pricks. In my personal experience, I don’t think I’ve ever encountered a level of arrogance and hostility from a true “celebrity” that matches what I’ve encountered from new arrivals to success.

I’ve been around theater types who were good pals until a single positive newspaper review turned them overnight into bellowing drunk divas. And aspiring film-makers who cut off all contact with ‘lesser’ friends once they became minor assistants to established directors. And of course a few crap musicians who are unheard of outside of WIRE magazine’s readership, but nonetheless felt that public recognition entitled them to contract rider demands of the “you can’t be fucking serious” variety.

Being around the revolving door Pigface lineups was a real eye-opener in this regard. The real “draws” in their lineup (e.g. Genesis P. Orridge, Ogre, Connelly) were really appreciative of the support they got, eager to hear different perspectives on their work, and generally in good spirits. But oh, my lord, get too close in the backstage area to one of the locals who graduated to a rhythm guitarist for a single show at the Metro, and it’s all hands-on-hips, condescending “do you think you could spend more time hanging around the deli spread? You want to save some of the Mt. Shasta for those of us who WORKED for it?” and other bitchy nonsense.

Lush did a great show at SUNY Purchase & I got to hang with them afterwards…the lead vocalist Micki Berenyi was so mean to me cuz I was somewhat goofy being star struck & all. I don’t even wanna get into it but just gonna say the innocence and awkwardness of being star struck shouldn’t be frowned upon nor taken for granted and it’s certainly not grounds for being a bully or condescending on behalf of the talent in question.

She was the kind of chic who thought her shit didn’t stink and I guess that could be a good thing cuz it looks like it worked out pretty well for her.

By the way, she & her band were huge Ministry fans at that time & were touring together along with Jesus & Mary Chain for Lollapalooza 92/93…

He isn’t a cultural figure and probably unknown outside of baseball but Tommy Lasorda was a total dick to me. I was just a kid, way into baseball at the time, at a baseball card show where Tommy Lasorda was signing stuff. Wide eyed with a big smile, I finally was in front of the table and handed him the card. He had a big old frown on his face, took the card without really even looking at me, signed it without a word, and that was it. I was expecting at least a “Hello, how are you doing” or something. I was too shy to say anything so I just walked away kinda shocked. Maybe he was pissed because his crappy restaurant was violating health code around that time. http://articles.latimes.com/1988-12-04/local/me-1454_1_health-code

On the other hand at the same card show, Wes Parker, whom I never heard of was completely fucking awesome. Talked to me like he cared and signed a picture for me that included the line “Stay happy!” which was great because I was pretty bummed out at the time.

The card in question with grumpy old Tommy Lasorda:

http://topps.pixafy.netdna-cdn.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/2000x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/o/tommylasorda_1989_254_black.jpg

You should have asked him to sign a can of one of those diet shakes he was whoring out.

I was at Caesars Palace (Vegas) walking through the Forum Shoppes several years ago. I saw a sign that said, “Pete Rose Here TODAY!” It caught my eye and a guy at a folding table in front saw me pause and took the chance to try and coax me in. “Yes, that’s right, just buy a card or a ball and Pete will sign it for you!” I asked him, “So, where’s Pete?” “He’s right here,” said sports store guy, pointing to his left at the sad looking man seated directly in front of me. “Oh, hey, Pete!” I said, not knowing what else to say.

And then I left.

You should have asked him to sign a can of one of those diet shakes he was whoring out.

I was at Caesars Palace (Vegas) walking through the Forum Shoppes several years ago. I saw a sign that said, “Pete Rose Here TODAY!” It caught my eye and a guy at a folding table in front saw me pause and took the chance to try and coax me in. “Yes, that’s right, just buy a card or a ball and Pete will sign it for you!” I asked him, “So, where’s Pete?” “He’s right here,” said sports store guy, pointing to his left at the sad looking man seated directly in front of me. “Oh, hey, Pete!” I said, not knowing what else to say.

And then I left.

Haha, if only I had a time machine, there would be an LA Times article about Tommy Lasorda knocking out a little kid for making him sign a bottle of Slim Fast.

Nice of you to say hello to Pete, sounds like he was pretty bummed sitting there all day not being recognized by anyone, confined to a crappy IKEA folding table. I think it is funny you guys were talking about him and he is right there, just getting more disappointed that you didn’t recognize him right away. “Where’s Pete?” (Pete Rose sighs and a single tear rolls down his cheek) “I’m Pete.”

Edit: Research of Tommy Lasorda diet shakes brought up an article with so much potential based on the first sentence:

“Tommy Lasorda lost 35 pounds to save the Sisters of Mercy.”

Most people don’t know he was way into goth AND Sisters of Mercy were saved by none other than Tommy Lasorda.

I wasn’t the only one impressed by the sadness of the Pete Rose scene. Someone actually made a short documentary on it which was called, I think, “Pete Rose, Here Today”.

I’m not a sports-obsessed guy or anything, but of course know who Pete Rose is, even though I didn’t recognize him in street clothes. He should have been wearing a REDS hat or something. Instead he was wearing some weird free jacket and baseball hat (not a team hat) that he’d obviously gotten as swag from one of the casino/hotels.

Just found it . . . “Here Now” is the name of the short doc. It’s only about 7 minutes long . . .

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7925114

I wasn’t the only one impressed by the sadness of the Pete Rose scene. Someone actually made a short documentary on it which was called, I think, “Pete Rose, Here Today”.

I’m not a sports-obsessed guy or anything, but of course know who Pete Rose is, even though I didn’t recognize him in street clothes. He should have been wearing a REDS hat or something. Instead he was wearing some weird free jacket and baseball hat (not a team hat) that he’d obviously gotten as swag from one of the casino/hotels.

Just found it . . . “Here Now” is the name of the short doc. It’s only about 7 minutes long . . .

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7925114

Goddamn that is one sad 7 minutes.
“We have a rope and anybody who wants to take a picture outside the rope is free to fire away.”
-Pete Rose 1:43
(cut to 2:21 outside the store. GIANT yellow sign “Please no pictures or videos. Thank You.”)
Also at about 2:30 the camera catches him checking out that woman’s rack. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a nice tit job and I would also check them out, but don’t get caught on film checking those puppies out.

From what I hear, a good sports-related figure to meet at a signing or meet-and-greet is ex-Chicago Blackhawk / NBC commentator Jeremy Roenick.

A friend of mine went to a signing event for him in the near Chicago suburbs, and he reportedly went way over the allotted time. I think the organizers were expecting him to have a brusque “hey, thanks for showing up, here’s your jersey,” kind of response for everybody who came up to get something signed, but instead he’d get into a protracted and genuinely enthusiastic conversation with almost everyone who came.

So what should have been maybe a 90-minute event tops, beginning in the mid-afternoon, stretched to closing time for that particular store, and staff were having to politely remind him that it was time to go home.

I know stuff like pro hockey isn’t supposed to be of any consequence to ‘real life,’ but it is actually inspiring to see people like that who put their entire being into that one craft, and are never NOT passionate about it. Just look up the footage of “J.R.” trying (and failing) to hold back tears of joy when the Blackhawks finally win a Stanley Cup in 2010, it may be hokey and silly when compared to more pressing issues, but stlll great to see someone who is never half-assed about the thing he most identifies with.

I grew up in Arlington, TX during Pantera’s hey day. Used to see Dime around all the time and if he wasn’t blazing through a residential neighborhood at 100 mph, he was a really sweet and humble dude. But…

One year for my Mom’s birthday we took her to one of those hibachi joints where they seat you at a U shaped table with other random guests. Well, wouldn’t you know they sat us with Vinnie Paul and a couple of his bro’s. Vinnie looked me right in the eye and could obviously tell that I recognized him. He rolled his eyes like saying hello to fan would be way too much effort, he almost looked disgusted. I recognized his reaction and didn’t look his way again the entire meal.

I didn’t really care. It was Vinnie Paul’s fat ass, not Dime. Never lost any sleep over it.

I will add that our chef tried to toss a shrimp into his mouth and VP wasn’t even close to catching it. Shameful.