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also that movie (“hated”?) has the perfect late night low budget cult atmosphere and is one of the all time best rock documentaries (then he went and did “road trip” - weird)

Yes, I still watch that one at a rate of probably once a year, during Rock-u-Mentary Month in the Tomasz Bunker. If I ever get in a position to go on ‘tour’ again (though even minimal experience doing that with Pigface is enough to make me not be super eager to do so) that will be required tour bus viewing.

A great film moment is the poor nerdy serial killer afficionado who throws the party for GG - “ok, so I told this girl I know, Jennifer, would you mind pissing in GG’s mouth for his birthday [awkward pause]…oh…wait, I fucked up, I totally shouldn’t have said her name…”

…and they leave the first take in anyway, hahaha

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The whole idea of “working” is a western society notion where you spend a lot of time away from your family in order to feed your family, keep a roof over their head and make other people rather wealthy. Now before the British came to Australia and completely stole, raped and pillaged their land & culture their way of living was very simple…they were with their people 100% of the time and instead of “working” they hunted for food etc…the Aboriginal’s aren’t good at the western way of living…in fact it’s pretty obvious they’re very poor at it. At the end of the day the British forced their way of life on a culture after totally destroying that culture for the most part first. When the Aboriginals failed the western way of life they were ridiculed and hated…this continues to this day.

Akbar have you ever read Bob Black’s “The Abolition of Work?” You might find it interesting - the full text is [url http://www.primitivism.com/abolition.htm] here.

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I love the idea of GG Allin and how far he went when onstage… shitty person but I do get a bit of a kick seeing someone cut loose so much

I genuinely believe “Bite it you scum” is one of the best punk rock songs ever

also that movie (“hated”?) has the perfect late night low budget cult atmosphere and is one of the all time best rock documentaries (then he went and did “road trip” - weird)

Oh, yeah. I don’t by any means think GG was an agent of social change or a humanitarian or anything. I don’t think there was any particular special “meaning” to his art of his life. And I guess that’s what actually gives it MORE meaning to me. It was violence and chaos and destruction merely for its own sake. It just seemed so pure and beautiful in its grotesque ugliness.

I’m always fascinated by GG the person and “who was the real GG”. I’ve seen, heard, and read accounts of him being just a normal guy and I really find that all fascinating. I think he sent himself down a path that, had he not died was really fatalistic in one way or another. His fans were primarily mindless goons and no one really wanted anything other than a spectacle. So I kind of wondered . . . as he continued, he would likely (I think) have gotten sick of all of it. He was 37 when he died. Getting old takes its toll on our bodies. I’m sore for a few days after a gig with some mosh pit action. He took things quite extreme. Part of me wonders if he found jail to be a relief because he wasn’t expected to cut himself open and roll around in shit every night. He certainly wouldn’t be doing that now . . . nearing 60 years old, haha!

Anyway, I love that he put out pretty much all the “musical”
junk he did. He made something, they pressed it, and that was that. Some of it was really cool (the Antiseen LP and the Criminal Quartet one are my favorites) and some of it was completely unlistenable garbage.

I don’t know. I’m fascinated by the guy and have a huge admiration for the bloody mess he left on rock and roll’s history.

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I think people are missing the bigger picture regarding the “nudity taboos” of children.

It’s not that anyone is offended or repulsed by naked children. It’s that there are a certain small set of weirdos that are titilated by it.

We all have (or at least, I hope we all have) naked pictures of ourselves or our kids in various family photo albums. They’re funny and aesthetically wonderful. It’s kind of the only time we can run around naked and not give a f**k. It’s a short moment and shouldn’t be robbed of any child.

So there’s no problem having those photos, taking those photos, or letting your kids run around in the buff.

The problem is the freaky weirdo perverts who, if you put that photo online, are gonna rub one out to it. I’m not a dad, but if I were, I would find that repulsive and disgusting. So, a little bit of caution on the side of whoever controls the publishing and distributing of such material doesn’t bother me at all. That being said . . . I find some of the stuff I see in some children’s “pageants” to be far more “controversial” (though I’m not offended by it, as I find it pretty humorous) than a pic of a couple 4 year olds playing in the sprinklers.

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His over-estimation of his power to foment a “rock 'n roll revolution” was a little tragic, though.

That’s part of what made him so endearing to me. I love his seemingly earnest belief in this whole “we’re taking back rock and roll!” bullcrap.

I mean . . . he was a subset of a subset of a subculture. The most marginal of marginals. Known pretty much ONLY for his ridiculous stunts than his music. His appearances on Springer and Jane Whitney or Sally Jesse Raphael were just . . . . amazing. Those were really his best performances in my opinion. People were absolutely horrified and dumbfounded by him.

What’s his rock and roll revolution? He would always talk about his loyal fans who are ready to do XYZ for him, but of his whopping 50 person attendance crowds there were maybe 8-10 goons who might (at least peripherally) be up for some idiotic violence and such, but mostly people were there for the circus.

There was always a small handful of intentionally tough-posing diehards up at the front, and then the rest of the people would try to find a relatively safe position farther back and hope to God no poop or bottles would come flying their way. The footage of so many of his shows are absolutely hilarious. GG gets naked, GG gets bloody, GG makes a doo doo. Then GG would run to one side of the stage or room and everyone would rush to the other, and vice versa.

I’m sure if someone wanted to add some Benny Hill music to a lot of those classic clips they could make some hilrious mash ups.

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so I just can’t be arsed to get all up in arms about it.

By that do you mean you prefer not to think about the innocent people getting murdered by the state?

A lot of tone is lost when communicating through text - I don’t mean that to be a prickly as it might sound.

But the thing is, if you’re willing to let a few people die here and there in order to get a sense of security and satisfaction, where does your moral authority over gangsters and serial killers come from?

But that aside - the bread and butter realities of how much it costs to house and feed these arseholes - it costs about a quarter of a million to execute someone AFAIK - imagine the paperwork and the amount of bureaucracy involved. And it’s all necessary to prevent the level of mistakes made getting any worse.

Not saying that’s a silver bullet against the death penalty, but interesting to consider

Finally I think the model the Norwegians have achieved with the Serial Killer islands is compelling but hard to swallow - basically they send murderers off to these little offshore islands, where they have freedom, but must learn to cooperate in order to grow food and live comfortably

Sounds like airy fairy hippy nonsense, right? Except it totally works… the reoffending rate is practically zero. All tests indicate they are reformed to a sociable level.

They then go back to society and start working & paying tax again. As much as it stings to give these bastards a second chance and spend our money & time on them - at the end of the day are we trying to eliminate a societal problem or just get some primitive sense of satisfaction?

Justice and the greater good should come above revenge. If anyone killed my family I’d want to see them swing - but it wouldn’t be right.

My mind isn’t 100% made up though

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Also maybe if nudity wasn’t taboo, perhaps we’d have healthier attitudes to sex as a society, and generate less sex offenders…? It’s a universe of cause & effect - something is generating them, perhaps it contributes

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[reply]
The whole idea of “working” is a western society notion where you spend a lot of time away from your family in order to feed your family, keep a roof over their head and make other people rather wealthy. Now before the British came to Australia and completely stole, raped and pillaged their land & culture their way of living was very simple…they were with their people 100% of the time and instead of “working” they hunted for food etc…the Aboriginal’s aren’t good at the western way of living…in fact it’s pretty obvious they’re very poor at it. At the end of the day the British forced their way of life on a culture after totally destroying that culture for the most part first. When the Aboriginals failed the western way of life they were ridiculed and hated…this continues to this day.

Akbar have you ever read Bob Black’s “The Abolition of Work?” You might find it interesting - the full text is [url http://www.primitivism.com/abolition.htm] here.[/reply]

Haha that was great.

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There are some aspects of the GG presentation that I can get behind. Mainly, I respect the fact that he forced many other artists and musicians to re-evaluate their ideas of “extreme.”

I like this too, because it sort of puts a cap on things. All the while the “extreme punk”, “extreme metal”, “extreme whatever . . .” jibber jabber has always been trying to be more dark, brutal, violent, whatever. While they still fall into the trap of “I can go the furthest” the truth is, they really can’t. GG pretty much SET the limit. There can’t be another GG. Anyone that came along with the same schtick would just be seen for what he is . . .“Oh, great, gonna try the GG schtick, huh? Real original, Son.”

And for these macho men trying to do some S&M junk or take some “don’t give a f**k” posturing, you just kind of go, “Yeah, there’s the blueprint, Dude. Just stop.”

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GG Allen sounds like the Marquis De Sade of music.

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I hear he took the 2-word review of Spinal Tap’s album Shark Sandwich as a dare, and decided to knock out a few shit sandwiches at his shows [:)]

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Also, I think Pantera was pretty awesome . . . back when they were “glam”

How can anyone say any different with such classics as “All Over Tonight” and “Heavy Metal Rules”

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How can anyone say any different with such classics as “All Over Tonight” and “Heavy Metal Rules”

In the deathless words of “Man 'O War” -

The Gods made Heavy Metal
And they saw that it was good
they said to play it Loud as Hell
we promised that we would!!!

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CORRECTED

In the deathless words of MANOWAR -

The Gods made Heavy Metal
And they saw that it was good
they said to play it LoudER than Hell
we promised that we would!!!

Sorry. I’m not anal about most things. But they didn’t just promise to play as loud as Hell. They promised to play it LOUDER. And, hence, the unmatched awesomeness of MANOWAR!!!

(That’s one of my favorite tracks, but it pretty much is a blueprint for EVERY Manowar song ever.)

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because you are what you hate. you live at home and are bill free and don’t have a fuckin job because it’s inconvenient to your life style. you do nothing for society but leech, just because don’t actively take as much as others means nothing when you don’t do anything to help make it better. you simply exist. Way to go “job creator”

The fuck are you talking about? Your “hatred” of anybody even slightly more successful than yourself has blinded you to common sense. And what an arrogant statement to make. The fuck do you know about me and my “lifestyle”? I have a job. I work in financial services. I don’t leech off anybody. I have just been through a nasty, long bitter breakup and so had no other option than to move back home. Also my mum has cancer and my dad is nearly blind so I care for them AND work Monday to Friday to earn a living. The fuck is that “living in a bubble” you opinionated jerk?? The fuck would you know about bills I do and don’t have to pay. I got bills coming out the kazoo. AND I donate six hours a week to working in an animal shelter, Mr Peligro-Is-Such-A-Money-Grubbing-Conservative.

If you could argue your case civilly and politely without resorting spiteful personal attacks, you be twice the person you are.

Not the first time either.

Very disappointing.

I don’t need a lecture in socialism I know what it is and what I’m proposing is not the same. I have an actual education not a TeeVee opinion like yourself.

One again, the fuck would you know about my “education”?

All your right wing heroes pine to go back to the prosperity of the 50’s when everything was great and there was plenty of money.

Please name one of my “right wing heroes”. I need to know who they are.

Nobody is talking about punishing anybody it’s capping the “rewards.” if you could see past the “liberal media” your so fuckin indoctrinated into perhaps you would have a thought of your own. Moron!

Why - if my company is successful and people are buying my product - should my profits be capped? Why should I only allowed to be successful “to a certain point”? Why punish successful enterprises by making them pay more than their required tax (which in Australia is 30c in the dollar) ?

Not even close Mr. slippery slope. Please learn something before you spout off at the keyboard with your standard brainwash. You really haven’t said anything that the TeeVee doesn’t scream at everyone everyday. How profound.

Great argument, Mr “Educated”.

Ever heard behind every great fortune is a great crime? You are constantly the retard that I wished you weren’t.

You telling me that ALL successful businessmen are CRIMINALS!?!? Wow, what a convincing “argument”!

If only you could see past your “Left Wing” media bias, Grampy.

When was the last time a rich person paid their work force what they were worth?

Please show evidence that ALL companies only pay minimum, standard wages to ALL employees please.

you set up strawman after strawman an come along with a light breeze to knock them over and show how supreme you are when you have no clue the amount of logical fallacies that come tumbling out of that warbled jelly bean that passes for your brain.

Please refer to your “argument” (along with all your noted “facts” to back up said argument) that states that ALL rich person make their fortunes through committing crimes.

rather than just jumping to conclusions on what you think you know.

Like you, eh? A guy who states an “opinion” which suddenly becomes a water tight “fact” and prances around with it like he’s just caught a big fish!

Til next time.

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This ought to be really controversial…

Peligro, I’m sorry for some of the things I wrote in my last post to you.

This is the internet, silly. Be whoever you want. Say whatever you want. We don’t “know” each other. It’s just cyberspace fluff.

I certainly for one wouldn’t go anywhere near any dumbass message board where everyone kisses and holds hands.

As Gunnar said, we are all rejects who “hate” each other and don’t agree on anything.

The day we all start agreeing with each other is the day I pack up and leave.

I’m hardly “right wing” in my “real” world. But this is the internet remember…and sometimes I like to play that card - when it suits me.

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@ Akbar

I agree with most of what you said. Except the $1000 a week bit about the aboriginals.

And the “child nudity” bit was bait. Shame nobody took it. But most of you know me too well by now to even give a shit.

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[reply]This ought to be really controversial…

Peligro, I’m sorry for some of the things I wrote in my last post to you.

This is the internet, silly. Be whoever you want. Say whatever you want. We don’t “know” each other. It’s just cyberspace fluff.

I certainly for one wouldn’t go anywhere near any dumbass message board where everyone kisses and holds hands.

As Gunnar said, we are all rejects who “hate” each other and don’t agree on anything.

The day we all start agreeing with each other is the day I pack up and leave.

I’m hardly “right wing” in my “real” world. But this is the internet remember…and sometimes I like to play that card - when it suits me.[/reply]
I get it, dude. but some of the stuff I wrote was out of line on account of a pissy mood and lack of sleep, not that that’s a valid excuse, But you’ve been here long enough and we’ve sparred enough that you deserve more respect than that.

good day sir.

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Sorry. I’m not anal about most things. But they didn’t just promise to play as loud as Hell. They promised to play it LOUDER. And, hence, the unmatched awesomeness of MANOWAR!!!

(hangs head in shame)

Gunnar, I have broken the Oath with my inability to recall Manowar lyrics as they had intended for me to do.

Please allow me to ritually impale myself on my own sword, in order to regain my honor and take my rightful seat in Valhalla.

Also, I will donate my loincloth and leather accoutrements to a more deserving modern-day warrior.

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I hate Grumpy. He’s a stupid sissy communist jackass. He thinks I hang out with him for my own enjoyment. I don’t. I’m actually slowly poisoning him every time we have a beer together. Don’t worry, Everyone. He’ll be dead soon.