it’s sort of emdm-ish, no signs of acss or ma at all. just some real whiney boring shit.
it’s sort of emdm-ish, no signs of acss or ma at all. just some real whiney boring shit.
Oh man, that’s awful! thanks for the scoop.
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grmpysmrf
Another one who shoul’ve called it a day is DANZIG. Although I am a fan of DANZIG but he really should’ve called it a day with 4P. BLACKACIDEVIL and beyond is Boring at best and Terrible at worst!
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grmpysmrf
Another one who shoul’ve called it a day is DANZIG. Although I am a fan of DANZIG but he really should’ve called it a day with 4P. BLACKACIDEVIL and beyond is Boring at best and Terrible at worst!
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grmpysmrf
I agree totally, Glenn’s foray into industrial butt rock is pretty shameful, although there are a few good tracks here and there. It just seemed a little too late in the game like Billy Idol’s Cyberpunk [laugh] I am glad that he stuck around long enough for me to see the Samhain reunion that was something else. Live he still delivers, especially when they pull out any Misfits tunes.
grmpysmrf, you should give it a try. It’s the best thing he has done since Mechanical. I mean, Twiggy has done. Not everything is decent but the whole thing is much better than the six tracks that leaked before and waaaaay better than eat me drink me.
But yes, Manson should had quit when he started taking himself too seriously.
Limp Bizkit? Why? Well, actually all nu metal bands. It’s over! Kids don’t like you anymore!
grmpysmrf, you should give it a try. It’s the best thing he has done since Mechanical. I mean, Twiggy has done. Not everything is decent but the whole thing is much better than the six tracks that leaked before and waaaaay better than eat me drink me.
I figured I would. I just won’t go pick it up on the day it comes out, now, is all. I’ll proboably wait to get it used at Amoeba unless I hear a track off of it that blows me away!
I gotta say though, I would’ve been impressed if this album was worse than Eat Me Drink Me, that seems like an incredibly hard task to accomplish.
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grmpysmrf
I agree totally, Glenn’s foray into industrial butt rock is pretty shameful, although there are a few good tracks here and there.
Yeah “Here and there” although the only ones I can think of at the moment are “Come to Silver” and “13.” Danzig 7 and 8 tried, kinda, to return to his normal sound but still was a crappy effort!
I am glad that he stuck around long enough for me to see the Samhain reunion that was something else. Live he still delivers, especially when they pull out any Misfits tunes.
There was a Samhain Reunion? No Shit? When? I only saw Glenn once, back in 10/31/'94, at irvine meadows And the music was great, it sounded just like the CD but the show sucked because it sounded just like the cd; no crowd interaction, no special extra songs, no nothing. I think Glenn addressed the crowd once when he said, “It’s good to be here tonight” LAME! No Misfits songs no samhain just LAME!!
Late,
grmpysmrf
Mechanical & Wood are goods ones to check out.
Yes it was in '99 opening for Danzig on the Satan’s Child tour. The lineup was Glenn, Steve Zing the original drummer replacing Eerie Von on bass , London May on drums, and Todd Youth on guitar replacing Damien who was playing with Iggy Pop at the time. It was pretty damn cool, too short a set though.
I listened to Danzig 4 last night. Even by that stage ('94) the magic had started to wear a bit thin. There are some good ideas on that album but nothing feels particularly successful. I like the moody, reflective vein that’s on offer however all too often the music is ‘muddy’ sounding and unfocused - as if the band couldn’t give a shit. You compare this with Lucifuge and it’s like WOW how much have they regressed!! Glenn’s voice often ruins things too - that HOWL starts sounding uncannily like the cookie monster in places - it’s utter comedy.
Blackacidevil is dire and I have never once made it all the way through Danzig 6: A Danzig Parody. Beyond that…I ain’t game enough.
grmpysmrf, you should give it a try. It’s the best thing he has done since Mechanical. I mean, Twiggy has done. Not everything is decent but the whole thing is much better than the six tracks that leaked before and waaaaay better than eat me drink me.
But yes, Manson should had quit when he started taking himself too seriously.
Limp Bizkit? Why? Well, actually all nu metal bands. It’s over! Kids don’t like you anymore!
I can’t believe grown adults are discussing the merits of Marilyn Manson on a ‘credible’ internet music forum.
There’s two songs that remind me of ACSS (Pretty As a Swastika and Wow). PAAS is the heaviest track on there, but not that heavy, and Wow kind of reminds me of wormboy off ACSS. The rest of the tracks imo are either reminisent to MA, HW or EMDM. The lyrics are just about as shitty as EMDM, but musically, there’s some MA and HW moments. But despite all the joursen-nizing manson did with promoting this album, he was completely full of shit. It’s a pretty chilled album, but kinda fun. I think it’s worth a listen regardless of what someone says to be honest. I absolutely loved and hated golden age, and completely loathe eat me, drink me. This is sort of a return to form, and he sounds at his best since 2000. Not a bad album at all.
Even by that stage ('94) the magic had started to wear a bit thin. There are some good ideas on that album but nothing feels particularly successful. I like the moody, reflective vein that’s on offer however all too often the music is ‘muddy’ sounding and unfocused - as if the band couldn’t give a shit. You compare this with Lucifuge and it’s like WOW how much have they regressed!! Glenn’s voice often ruins things too - that HOWL starts sounding uncannily like the cookie monster in places - it’s utter comedy.
For once, you and I are in complete agreement! Lucifuge is such a Beautiful album from start to finish and the 4p rolls along and has ONE stand out track (Going down to die, that solo KICKS ASS!) few decent songs and a couple crap tracks (CAN’T SPEAK being probably the worst track on the Album) And then 5 Just a complete disappointment with only one decent track, that being come to Silver and everything else just pure garbage!
(BTW the stripped down Come to silver on the LOST TRACKS OF DANZIG is pretty kick ass too!)
I can’t believe grown adults are discussing the merits of Marilyn Manson on a ‘credible’ internet music forum.
… And then things go back to the way they were! If we’re talking Manson’s Persona/Image/following/ I’ll stand with you, but the music itself is not bad. I think of Manson much in the same way I view star trek. Good literature, GREAT LITERATURE! but then these convention retards show up dressed like Borgs and speak “klingon” and tarnish the whole thing!
kinda my take on Manson
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grmpysmrf
I think of Manson much in the same way I view star trek. Good literature, GREAT LITERATURE! but then these convention retards show up dressed like Borgs and speak “klingon” and tarnish the whole thing!
kinda my take on Manson
I can see where you’re going with this…kinda.
Music doesn’t have to be serious. It can be ‘stoopid’ and fun. And I wouldn’t find him so darn annoying if he didn’t take himself so seriously. In the ego stakes, MM could do Billy Corgan out of a job. Does he honestly believe he’s such a badass with his jokey pseudo industrial goth headbanger rants? Scaring the pants off Christian soccer moms and dads isn’t that big a deal is it?? C’mon, the guy is only slightly more threatening than Kiss at their hokiest. I’ve eaten breakfast cereal that was spookier than Marilyn Manson. I’ve dated girls as a teenager that were more ‘dangerous’ than Alice Coo…sorry, I mean Marilyn Manson.
Marilyn Manson are one of those bands that (most) teen goth metal chowderheads reflect on when they reach about 21 and think…What the fuck was I thinking back then? What the hell did I see in those guys??
Then I suppose teenie goth metal chowderheads have got to look up to someone until they reach 21.
I can see where you’re coming from. His character/advertising and his demographic bug the living shit out of you and turn you off to his music! definitely within bounds of you being critical of him.
And I certainly can see your point with manson’s ego but I think him taking himself so serious is still part of his act. not to sound touchy, feely, loser, pseudo psychologist, BUT I’d be willing to bet that not very many people really know the “real” Marilyn Manson(IE brian warner) because he is constantly advertising. I completely agree that he has totally walked a path that Alice cooper carved out for him long ago. And again, it really isn’t that hard to terrify soccer parents. so he really isn’t that hard core! But that doesn’t change the catchiness of his songs or some of his brilliant lyrics!
here’s another anology for ya:
ya’ ever have a food place you like to eat at but then one day they put out the most ridiculous, irritating line of commercials? Well their food hasn’t changed but their delivery of their product stinks!: Marilyn Manson!
As far as I’m concerned Manson can do away with his whole image and keep his music the same and I wouldn’t care at all.
Kinda off topic but I remember right before Mechanical Animals came out, The DJ on the radio station (Outta Las Vegas, we were on a road trip) was reading off the names of the new songs and totally panning the CD based on the song titles and I was right there with him going “yeah those sound Like CRAP song titles” but then I heard the CD and took it all back. MA happens to be my favorite CD by him
Late,
grmpysmrf
[reply]I mean, what makes Ministry more mature than Manson?
Al and Paul have never, to my knowledge, worn thongs in public.[/reply]
unless there was a check as far as al’s concerned… or the “label made me do it”
but even if al did Im sure he’d just deny thathe ever did and buy the photo’s (or say he did) and burn them…
part of the “fun” of later manson (once he stopped ripping off ideas from his own demos) was playing spot the knockoff… when it comes to his “better” work…
ex: take your mechanical animals booklet and give it a gander and then go look at the ok computer booklet and see if you can spot the similarities.
Ha! I’m loving these pro/anti Manson rants that have started popping up as of late. Keep it up.
Personally I couldn’t be arsed even bothering - I hate the guy and his band. That’s all I’ll add. In terms of credibility I’d put him right up there with The Prodigy.
The Prodigy.
Now there is a band that should have stopped a while ago.
Some bands should have some dignity and change their names to at least preserve good things they had done in the past. But of course it’s all about the $$$$$$$