I think the last 2 releases from Puppy don’t work for alot of the older fans because they are more structured and less freeform then the earlier stuff, depending how far back you go. Definately didn’t have the usual parts of a Puppy cd where all hell breaks loose and it’s almost freeform noise
But whomever said the vocador was annoying, ohgr always used effects on his voice, up until the RX cd he really never did any cleanly sung tracks.
I love Skinny Puppy but am also not a fan of the last two albums. They each have a handfull of ok songs but aren’t anywhere near the cohesive whole of the older work. Mythmaker was especially mediocre. I loved the last Ohgr solo album though and the last Download cd so I’m still holding out hope that there’s more good Puppy albums in the future. I’m going to see them kick off the tour next Friday.
As for the vocoder, I think Green Death is referring to the new, and rather typical, “club” sounding vocoder that is dripped across every single bit of Ogre’s vocals on the last two albums. Sure they used vocoder to great effect on Worlock decades ago, but the new vocoder stuff sounds closer to the way it’s used in a lot of (bad) modern pop music as opposed to the old effect which sounded like a mutation of Wendy Carlos’s work.
As for the vocoder, I think Green Death is referring to the new, and rather typical, “club” sounding vocoder that is dripped across every single bit of Ogre’s vocals on the last two albums. Sure they used vocoder to great effect on Worlock decades ago, but the new vocoder stuff sounds closer to the way it’s used in a lot of (bad) modern pop music as opposed to the old effect which sounded like a mutation of Wendy Carlos’s work.
Exactly, its that godawful autotune/vocoder effect Ogre uses in Haze which wouldn’t be nearly as bad if it wasn’t in every freakin’ pop and hip hop song on the radio. It kind of ruins the song which is a decent composition. Jaher is my favorite song on the album, even though its probably the “softest” song they’ve ever done.
Totally agree about Jaher, that track is top notch. I wish Mythmaker sounded more like that track. But alas, it sounds more like that opening song, Magnifishit. Ho hum!
I also see Puppy has a gabber band opening for them in San Francisco (!). Not sure what I think about that…people still listen to gabber?
Favorite track on Mythmaker is Ugli. It has elements from every era of Puppy. Newer break beat kind of stuff, throw some guitar in there, some 80s vibe synths, samples, ends with a little bit of a brap…can’t get enough of this track. It sounded so fucking sick live, just huge, I think that was the show Hiwatt mixed the sound (Henry Fonda).
Favorite track on The Greater Wrong of the Right is Goneja. Sad, bubbly, bouncy, love the chopped up vocals and it flows so nicely into Daddyuwarbash.
Best album is Remission.
think he first used that vocal effect when he did that cover of madonna’s borderline… was that the first time he worked with mark walk?
think he first used that vocal effect when he did that cover of madonna’s borderline… was that the first time he worked with mark walk?
Ogre would have first worked with Mark Walk in Pigface I believe. Mark engineered some of the Fook sessions @ Pachyderm studios in Minnesota. As far as material they had the WELT album in the bag before American pulled the plug on it after the Process debacle and some songs had to be rerecorded. The Petty Tyrants was Ogre, Walk and Reiflin. I’d love a whole album of that kinda stuff.
think he first used that vocal effect when he did that cover of madonna’s borderline… was that the first time he worked with mark walk?
i think i’ve heard this tune, or maybe just heard about it. where is it? is it on an album? or a single?
[reply] think he first used that vocal effect when he did that cover of madonna’s borderline… was that the first time he worked with mark walk?
i think i’ve heard this tune, or maybe just heard about it. where is it? is it on an album? or a single?[/reply]
Its on one of those Virgin Voices Madonna tribute cds put out by Cleopatra.
The upcoming Skinny Puppy tour is gonna be fucking sick!
They’re still pretty interesting, they’re the only ‘Industrial Icon’ that didnt take a nose dive.
Well, they broke up for 10 years when they would have otherwise been nosediving.
Favorite track on Mythmaker is Ugli.
Sorry but I gotta disagree with you most wholeheartedly on this one. I absolutely hated mythmaker, especially because of one particular track: Ugli.
“Jesus wants to be UGLI”!!! WTF was that? On the same intellectual level as a pre-teen’s first realizations that religion is a farce…
A lot of my friends hated TGWOTR, which I actuall quite like (at least most of the songs), but Mythmaker was a dull turd, IMO, Ugli being the S.P. song of their career I would most like to forget.
Actually found the first half of that album pretty boring. The second had the more experimental songs. Ugli and Pasturn are easily ohgr songs, but, the other three remind me of Download, Plateau, and whatever else cEvin does.
[reply]Favorite track on Mythmaker is Ugli.
Sorry but I gotta disagree with you most wholeheartedly on this one. I absolutely hated mythmaker, especially because of one particular track: Ugli.
“Jesus wants to be UGLI”!!! WTF was that? On the same intellectual level as a pre-teen’s first realizations that religion is a farce…
A lot of my friends hated TGWOTR, which I actuall quite like (at least most of the songs), but Mythmaker was a dull turd, IMO, Ugli being the S.P. song of their career I would most like to forget.[/reply]
Aside from that lyric, what other aspects of the song do you hate?
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Aside from that lyric, what other aspects of the song do you hate?[/reply]
I don’t mind the song, but it’s not like old puppy where its long winded spoken word piece or heavily distorted long winded vocals, just clear straight to the point “jesus wants to be ugli” repeated a bunch of times with a few other things said here and there.
when a bands been doing something for 20 plus years they’re hopefully going to evolve and change. sometimes we don’t like where our old favs end up i guess.
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Aside from that lyric, what other aspects of the song do you hate?
I don’t mind the song, but it’s not like old puppy where its long winded spoken word piece or heavily distorted long winded vocals, just clear straight to the point “jesus wants to be ugli” repeated a bunch of times with a few other things said here and there.
when a bands been doing something for 20 plus years they’re hopefully going to evolve and change. sometimes we don’t like where our old favs end up i guess.[/reply]
They have some older songs with pretty repetitive lyrics. Blood on the Wall comes to mind. If there was one thing I could change about Ugli, it would be the lyric in question.
Love 'em.
I think my two favorites this far are “Bites” and “GWOTR.” Two opposite ends of the spectrum, I know, but damn, are they killer. Honestly surprised Peligro thinks so highly of GWOTR.
Favorite tracks off the top of my head…
The Centre Bullet
Dead Lines
Shore Lined Poison
Spahn Dirge
DaddyuWarbash
Glass Houses
Harsh Stone White
Fascist Jock Itch
T.F.W.O.
Scrapyard
Favorite songs:
Testure
Addiction
The Choke
Assimilate
Dogshit
Rodent
VX Gas Attack
Antagonism
Icebreaker
Tormentor
Worlock
Dig It
Grave Wisdom
One Time One Place
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Favorite albums, in order, with favorite track from each. Live and remix albums are not included.
Remission - Glass Houses
Back & Forth Volume 3 - Sparkless
Bites - Dead Lines
Cleanse Fold and Manipulate - Shadow Cast
Rabies - Worlock
Last Rights - Scrapyard
Too Dark Park - Rash Reflection
VIVIsect VI - VX Gas Attack
Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse - One Time One Place
The Process - Blue Serge
Back & Forth Series Two - K-9
The Greater Wrong of The Right - Goneja
Back & Forth 06Six - Meat Flavoured Factor
Mythmaker - Ugli
Back & Forth Volume 7 - Blood
Hard list to make, there are so many close seconds in the song category.