Is god willing to stop evil, but not able?
then he, obviously, isn’t all powerful.
Is he able to stop evil, but not willing to stop it?
Then he’s hardly the pillar of love and benevolence that he’s touted for being. Down right evil if you ask me
Is he willing and able to stop Evil?
Then how come evil exists?
Is he not willing or able to stop evil?
Then how can he be called God?
5 internets for the one that steps in and successfully speaks for Jesus.
Late,
grmpysmrf
- Is god willing to stop evil, but not able?
then he, obviously, isn’t all powerful.
Is he able to stop evil, but not willing to stop it?
Then he’s hardly the pillar of love and benevolence that he’s touted for being. Down right evil if you ask me
Is he willing and able to stop Evil?
Then how come evil exists?
Is he not willing or able to stop evil?
Then how can he be called God?
5 internets for the one that steps in and successfully speaks for Jesus.
Late,
grmpysmrf
We really need to get some more discussion on this board regarding Ministry/Music. I mean I never came here hoping to discuss religion.
seeing how Ministry is kinda the ass end of most jokes here, I thought it might be fun to start a holy war.
right now I believe the score stands…
Atheists 1
believers in the sky daddy 0
Late,
grmpysmrf
- Is god willing to stop evil, but not able?
then he, obviously, isn’t all powerful.
Is he able to stop evil, but not willing to stop it?
Then he’s hardly the pillar of love and benevolence that he’s touted for being. Down right evil if you ask me
Is he willing and able to stop Evil?
Then how come evil exists?
Is he not willing or able to stop evil?
Then how can he be called God?
5 internets for the one that steps in and successfully speaks for Jesus.
Late,
grmpysmrf
good questions!
funny you ask these, because I’ve been questioning these type of things ALOT lately. and to tell you the truth, the best answer I come up with is that: we’ll all believe something different, and that’s fine. I suppose that’s why I find more interest in Toaism and Buddishm lately, and less interest in Christianity.
when I asked someone who was DEEP into Christianity once question one, she said, "well,God always wins in the end. evil exists but God will always win. " I accepted that answer. to me, it meant God could stop it, and he was able to do so. I later on my own rethought about her answer and thought "well, why are wars happening? what about suicide? what about violence in the streets? "
So I thought perhaps I’d be an athiest again. I was for quite some time, started to get into faith, and then, after dealing with a situation where religion kinda was used against me and messed with my mind, thought of becomming an athiest again. It hasn’t happened though. I do believe in a God, or as the Native Americans say The Creator or Great Spirit. Yet at the end of the day, I always ask the same question: where did God come from? How was God created?
as for evil existing, what I think now in my further studies, is that it MUST exist, so people will know the difference between good and bad, right and wrong. the same can be said with anything, really, of two opposites, (which are essentially, one in the same) . i.e, how would we describe evil? it is the opposite of good. how can we describe day without comparing it to night? and so on.
I may have went wayyy off topic. but this is a cool thread my brother, I like!
Having been raised Catholic, and having spent a bunch of years in elementary school (Catholic) before the church decided my parents had to pay an equal (no discounts) rate for five kids, I soured on Heyzuez. So did my mom. She had an illegal abortion before Roe, and after nine pregnancies, which reduced her heart to a time bomb.
I DO believe in God. Not Jesus.
And evil does exist. In the form of crazy people.
I was nearly killed by a crazy person in Chicago, as a teenager. I played dead.
Evil does not exist. An act of ‘evil’ is entirely subjective and relative to where you stand in accordance to that act. If you ask someone why they are undertaking a particular act, they can answer “because I can”. They are merely doing what they are able to do. I can throw a brick because I have the capacity to do so. Whether or not someone else will comment upon the act of me throwing a brick and label that act as ‘evil’ is entirely relative to where the commentator stands in relation to that act. What is evil? There is no such thing. As they say, “The only law is tooth and claw”. That is the natural order of the universe. If I can knock you down so that I may get from point A to point B, then I will - if I am physically powerful or cunning enough to do so. But then again I risk having others overpower me and punish me for having knocked you down. That’s the decision I can use my freewill to make. You use what you’ve got to survive each day - there is no evil. There is no good. Good / Evil are man made subjective viewpoints. You just “do”.
Jesus is merely a symbol - a token for love and tolerance and accpetance for man to follow if he so chooses. It’s like choosing a path in life. “I choose to take this path (ie follow Jesus) and act in accordance with a set of rules because I have the free will to do so”.
Asking why God can’t stop evil if he is all powerful is just silly. It’s like a child asking a question about Batman.
I don’t think it makes you a better or worse person to follow an icon of supposed enlightenment. I don’t. But, I do know that every action I undertake has a subsequent adverse reaction. I don’t want to fuck shit up for other people because eventually it will come back around my way.
As is the natural order of things.
I may have went wayyy off topic. but this is a cool thread my brother, I like!
Way off topic? there’s no such thing here at prongs… Have you seen how many threads I personally have derailed? at least your still on subject! [;)]
Yeah, I figured we’ve beat the Politics topic to death might as well open another taboo…
. Good / Evil are man made subjective viewpoints. You just “do”.
yes
Jesus is merely a symbol - a token for love and tolerance and accpetance for man to follow if he so chooses.
yes
Asking why God can’t stop evil if he is all powerful is just silly. It’s like a child asking a question about Batman.
no. specifically cause the questions were merely aimed at the fundy crowd. everybody knows some…you know, the ones that think the world is 5,000 years old and created by a magic sorcerer.
I do know that every action I undertake has a subsequent adverse reaction. I don’t want to fuck shit up for other people because eventually it will come back around my way.
yes.
you are making serious headway in the “grmpysmrf likes you” department, Peligro. You might want to knock that shit off if you want to keep your Aussie card!
Late,
grmpysmrf
Evil does not exist. An act of ‘evil’ is entirely subjective and relative to where you stand in accordance to that act.
If someone rapes & murders folk it tends to be evil. So I disagree with the above statement.
Is god willing to stop evil, but not able?
He isn’t able, it isn’t him, it’s the Devil.
Is he able to stop evil, but not willing to stop it?
He is not able to stop evil, humans must realise living in sin is evil and when they do it will stop.
Is he willing and able to stop Evil?
He gives you the choice, if the majority don’t come to his party, we’re all fucked.
Is he not willing or able to stop evil?
He is always God, you believing doesn’t stop or start that title.
We really need to get some more discussion on this board regarding Ministry/Music. I mean I never came here hoping to discuss religion.
I’m with you, man.
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We really need to get some more discussion on this board regarding Ministry/Music. I mean I never came here hoping to discuss religion.
I’m with you, man.[/reply]
Ministry sucks why on earth would we want to discuss them?
Religion is what someone feels between their breast bone and their backbone. Not what they are told to believe.
And these arguments are never resolved, which is why I don’t bother to engage in them.
I will leave you with one last thought and then I’m checking out of this conversation.
I had two friends years ago get into a very deep discussion at the end of a night of drug abuse. One was (literally) a card carrying church of Satan member, the other a Catholic.
The Catholic argued that Satanism would not even exist without Catholocisim. The Satanist argued that Catholocism was a religion of followers, not leaders.
In the end, they found that both faiths agreed that suicide as a sin, which was where the shook hands and went back to the drug abuse. It was odd to see these polar opposites having a common ground.
This still remains one of the most surreal arguments I ever saw regarding religion.
I find it odd that people care about the god in the bible who demanded insane things from people and now people in the USA (and all over the world) have built 20 buildings in every town with a giant roman torture device on the lawn…
Basically, if evil exists, then one of those 3 core factors that we all believe to be true about god, are not true.
Since evil exists and god is all powerfu and all caring, then why wouldn’t he make it go away?
If evil exists and god cannot make it go away, as much as he likes to, then he is clearly not a god.
If evil exists and god can make it go away, but won’t, then that isn’t exactly nice is it?
He certainly might have the power of a god, but one of the key characteristics of god throughout all monotheistic religions is that he cares deeply about his subjects.
So the problem of evil; if god exists, evil cannot, and clearly evil exists so god can not.
Late,
grmpysmrf
My personal belief, is that satan has more control here on earth than god… so maybe thats why god cant make everything “Go away”.
\m/ [pirate]\m/
If someone rapes & murders folk it tends to be evil. So I disagree with the above statement.
From the rapist’s viewpoint there is no evil. He is merely doing what he has the freewill to do. From where you are standing (ie outside of the act of rape that is happening) you are able to comment on that and label it as ‘evil’ - once again using the freewill you have at your disposal. It is entirely subjective.
There is no evil. Evil is not an entity. It’s an abstract term.
From the rapist’s viewpoint there is no evil.
What if he feels guilty afterward? is it evil then?
Late,
grmpysmrf
I love faith, I mean if you can’t bother getting out of bed in the morning what good is there? As respective as I am of other cultures’ beliefs and religion in general, I find it hard to believe that an all-encompassing “god” or deity would create such turmoil and negative consequences in a world that never asked for it.
Some may call it some sort of wicked retribution; others would call it a “test”. In any case, I haven’t been a part of any faith or faction in many years…while I do tend to dwell on the negative side, it DOES kind of make you witness a lot of grand-standing with ideals and concepts that have no relation with religion or faith, and it kind of dulls you.
Evil does not exist. An act of ‘evil’ is entirely subjective and relative to where you stand in accordance to that act. If you ask someone why they are undertaking a particular act, they can answer “because I can”. They are merely doing what they are able to do. I can throw a brick because I have the capacity to do so. Whether or not someone else will comment upon the act of me throwing a brick and label that act as ‘evil’ is entirely relative to where the commentator stands in relation to that act. What is evil? There is no such thing. As they say, “The only law is tooth and claw”. That is the natural order of the universe. If I can knock you down so that I may get from point A to point B, then I will - if I am physically powerful or cunning enough to do so. But then again I risk having others overpower me and punish me for having knocked you down. That’s the decision I can use my freewill to make. You use what you’ve got to survive each day - there is no evil. There is no good. Good / Evil are man made subjective viewpoints. You just “do”.
Jesus is merely a symbol - a token for love and tolerance and accpetance for man to follow if he so chooses. It’s like choosing a path in life. “I choose to take this path (ie follow Jesus) and act in accordance with a set of rules because I have the free will to do so”.
Asking why God can’t stop evil if he is all powerful is just silly. It’s like a child asking a question about Batman.
I don’t think it makes you a better or worse person to follow an icon of supposed enlightenment. I don’t. But, I do know that every action I undertake has a subsequent adverse reaction. I don’t want to fuck shit up for other people because eventually it will come back around my way.
As is the natural order of things.
^This.
Before the laws and governments, there was religion. It was a way of keeping everyone in check. I’ve never bought into it, but it is one of the primary methods for people to channel their thoughts and have a sense of positive contribution to the world. However, as Peligro stated, it is all subjective and everyone has their own take on things. It’s natural for the human race to believe in deities, as history has proven, all regions of the world have their own take on religion.
Some extremists in the middle east think they will go to heaven and be served 17 virgins of choice, by killing off those who threaten their way of life (“evil” in their eyes), or Nazi Germany for example. They thought they were doing the world a favor by exterminating the Jews, but did not view it as evil.
The meaning of life is there is no meaning. It is whatever you want it be. People will always be different and disagree. There will always be war, and there will never be peace. There is no good, no evil. You do what you have to do survive and protect your loved ones. Every single mammal knows this concept. You do what you have to do keep the your race and society in motion.
Some need religion and other people to help keep themselves on track. So be it. Others are independent and can sort things out on their own. Debating religion is just pointless as any other debate. Everyone has their own take and point of views.
We may have evolved or we may have been created this way to begin with but the universe, the planets, and life didn’t just all of a sudden appear out of nothing like some sort of David Copperfield magic trick. Explain where the universe comes from and you might be a little closer to explaining the meaning of life. But, don’t say anything like it came from the big bang because there had to be something to bang in the first place.
A popular (and growing theory) is that there are infinite numbers of universes in co-existance. Our universe possibly began when an older universe collapsed in on itself to a finite point containing an infinite amount of energy resulting in an imbalance and then exploded, creating our own universe.
Just a theory I know, but kinda makes a shit load of sense to even a non scientist like myself.
But…believe what you will. Personally I believe that the universe is self aware and is its own “god”. We are of the universe and the universe is of us.