“freakazoid” puts the end to this discussion.
For all the bitching that is inevitable with such a blatant rip off, all one has to do is completely ignore the fool and let him fail. A good dose of ignominy is what he needs. It’s funny because the only base he has where he can stroke his own ego is the P.A… and they have to censor it! [laugh] And here, at the oldest [and best] Ministry forum, he is the subject of overwhelming dissent: a diminished following at best, a palpable hatred at worst. Don’t give him the satisfaction of talking about how he still tries to rip off his fans, just ignore everything he does from now on.
did you guys know that it’s always christmas time?
For all the bitching that is inevitable with such a blatant rip off, all one has to do is completely ignore the fool and let him fail. A good dose of ignominy is what he needs. It’s funny because the only base he has where he can stroke his own ego is the P.A… and they have to censor it! [laugh] And here, at the oldest [and best] Ministry forum, he is the subject of overwhelming dissent: a diminished following at best, a palpable hatred at worst. Don’t give him the satisfaction of talking about how he still tries to rip off his fans, just ignore everything he does from now on.
If prongs stopped bitching about Al there’d be like 9 posts a year.
there’d be 9000.
For all the bitching that is inevitable with such a blatant rip off, all one has to do is completely ignore the fool and let him fail. A good dose of ignominy is what he needs. It’s funny because the only base he has where he can stroke his own ego is the P.A… and they have to censor it! [laugh] And here, at the oldest [and best] Ministry forum, he is the subject of overwhelming dissent: a diminished following at best, a palpable hatred at worst. Don’t give him the satisfaction of talking about how he still tries to rip off his fans, just ignore everything he does from now on.
i don’t think we have any sort of palpatable hatred for al. We (and i’m speaking more for myself but in hopes that you are all with me) have a sense of humor about the BS that gets let out of that camp. This isn’t a cult of personality type thing and we see a flawed man. We enjoy his music (different eras for some, but still we enjoy at least 1 song I hope by him). as far as talking about him ripping us off and giving it attention, well it’s ministry news and this IS a ministry forum. and i doubt, or I hope that he doen’t get any satisfaction by pissing off his fans. But hey i’m not the guy, maybe he does get his kicks from doing that, and that’s cool but then don’t wonder why your label is failing, the tours don’t sell out, and nobody really remembers you aside from a few young uns as being that guy that ripped off rob zombie.
I don’t hate Al at all. I just think he and his wife are shitty at business and management, that’s all. Sadly though, some poor sap will end up buying this though. Stroke the Jourgensen’s ego, and give them further impression that they can continue on doing this and taking further advantage of their fanbase.
I’ll just wait for a copy of this to show up at Amoeba for 2 bucks! Although, Last time I was there they Had No DUBBER or SEXXO MIXXO copies!
You know, as a collector, if this was in an actual Slim Line Jewel Case (Maxi single) I would probably buy it. BUT I know it’s gonna come in a crappy digi-pak and there is no way I’m spending 30 bucks on something that isn’t even packaged very well!
Late,
grmpysmrf
king smurf. you’re such a queen.
hard to imagine that anyone will cough up the dollars, but people are stupid.
Well, like I said, if nobody buys it for $30 they’ll have to adjust their business plan. That’s the power we have as consumers.
Again, I think he’s on the right track but he’s got to work on that value for your dollar thing.
[reply]I think this is exactly what Al and 13th Planet SHOULD be doing - catering their physical product to the collector’s market.
This is catering to the collector’s market:
http://simonswork.com/blog/?p=3494
http://warp.net/records/warp20/warp20-box-set
http://www.recordstore.co.uk/productdetail.jsp?productPK=unittest-tWlAYjdgOa2q8zgrqN3IEb-1
http://thresholdhouse.greedbag.com/release/~coil-absinthe-box/
http://tg.greedbag.com/buy/gristleism-tri-colour-limited-ed/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002TG3C8A?ie=UTF8&tag=wwwstingusnet-21&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B002TG3C8A
Collector’s like to feel like we’re getting something special. Al is just selling two songs for $30.[/reply]
Thank you, Sir. I agree about the collectors’ stuff. Something special (even priced at a premium) should be exactly that . . . SPECIAL!!! There should be something cool or unique about the packaging or contents and it should be something that you can display somewhere conspicuously or pull out when other geeks are over so you can impress them.
I think 13th Planet really missed the target on this one. They could have indeed made it a fun and uniquely themed item for the fans . . . . but again, they missed an opportunity.
The artwork is made to look like an old-timey faded vinyl, right? Well why not make the packaging like an old-timey vinyl as well? If they gave it a 12" sleeve, and actually had a big heavy record inside which was either playable or perhaps just a gimicky holder that had the CD inserted in the middle that you could pop out . . . . or BOTH??? Then people could display it on their walls, the vinyl-philes would get giggly, and people could accept that they are indeed getting more than just “2 songs for $30”,
The bottom line is that there’s nothing “collectible” about this and unless they are going to note how many copies they are actually releasing, the “limited” aspect doesn’t mean a damn thing either.
Oh, and I just noticed – they typo’d the name of their own song on the ad. “It’s Christman’s Time”. Who is ChristMan? Some Biblical Superhero or something?
http://stores.allaccesstoday.com/images/upload/xmascenterani.gif
$30 for a Flock of Seagulls song you may or may not have liked in the 80’s and “Louis Armstrong Unplugged”.
Merry Christmas, SUCKERS!!! Here’s a freshly baked piece of crap with diarrhea-flavored frosting.
End of story.
[reply.
Oh, and I just noticed – they typo’d the name of their own song on the ad. “It’s Christman’s Time”. Who is ChristMan? Some Biblical Superhero or something?
http://stores.allaccesstoday.com/images/upload/xmascenterani.gif
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christ even the fucking ADS for their releases are fucking defective…excuse me I mean limited editions
king smurf. you’re such a queen.
hard to imagine that anyone will cough up the dollars, but people are stupid.
I’m alright with the Queen remark but really calling me stupid? Damn Ed, You used to be my favorite person on the board but I don’t know after that little remark! It’s not very nice to call someone with a compulsion to collecting “stupid”
it’s not my fault!
Late,
grmpysmrf
Maybe the cd will be come with a good bit of extras. Because 30 bucks for a 2 song single and remix album is pushing it. But I read it again, and it said a “stocking of gifts”. So maybe a shirt and some other things. And if I remember correctly, when KMFDM released their last album, I think their bundle was a cd and shirt, which I bought. Might have been 30, but I don’t remember.
king smurf. i apologize.meant no disrespect. sorry.
(you’re back to king mode)
king smurf. i apologize.meant no disrespect. sorry.
(you’re back to king mode)
[:)]That was easy repair work![:)]
Late,
grmpysmrf
Could someone please photoshop Al wearing leather and a Santa hat riding waterskis with Henry Winkler, jumping over Paul Barker? Thanks.
LOL!!! Al “Jumping the Bark”?
I looked on the PA today. While Bud-the-Chud predictably defended her gods, even she had to save face and say that she wouldn’t be buying the $30 single. From what I can see, not one single person has voiced excitement over or an intent to buy the single. If the PA sheep can’t even rally around this farce then it is truly a failure. A “niche” targeted item that fails to even reach its niche.
EPIC FAIL
the single will go the way it should.
irrelevance world.
well looking at the page in the ministry store for the single you get a copy of last dubber with the single in the mystery stocking, so it’s a little more tempting now. Was gonna get that cd at some point anyway. But I don’t know, still a hard sell