It appears that Arista has generously donated “With Sympathy” to the iTunes music store. I wonder if Al will get any royalties from the sales? The current top 10 downloaded tracks on the iTunes music store are:
I guess the demand for the 1983 stuff is still there - probably thanks to significant airplay on Sirius 22.
Why I don’t have satellite radio is beyond me, however, I am rather fond of making my own track lists. If anyone is interested in those early tracks, just hit me up, otherwise, enjoy your satelleite radio!
Chris
It appears that Arista has generously donated “With Sympathy” to the iTunes music store. I wonder if Al will get any royalties from the sales? The current top 10 downloaded tracks on the iTunes music store are:
I guess the demand for the 1983 stuff is still there - probably thanks to significant airplay on Sirius 22.
Now if only the music videos of Revenge, Same Old Madness, or at least Over The Shoulder would surface too. So far, the music video of Revenge can be seen on MySpace and of course, YouTube.
EDIT: Whoops! Big thanks for these guys for uploading these videos. I meant to say that these videos haven’t been distrubuted by big companies yet, (ex. Nature of Outtakes was later seen a factory CD release by Ryko).
dude, where have you been? huntermc torrented good mpeg rip of “revenge” on demonoid.com; SKot uploaded “same old madness”, which was also later torrented by huntermc.
“same old madness” used to be on my deathmask.net space but i replaced it with lead into gold’s “faster than light” good quality rip which was also supplied by SKot.
if you missed 'em, pm me and i’ll either upload 'em again or share them on soulseek.
It appears that Arista has generously donated “With Sympathy” to the iTunes music store. I wonder if Al will get any royalties from the sales? The current top 10 downloaded tracks on the iTunes music store are:
I guess the demand for the 1983 stuff is still there - probably thanks to significant airplay on Sirius 22.
XM 44 has also been playing older Ministry with some regularity.
props to skot! Same old madness looked cool. I have a shitty like 10th gen rip of the promo vid, very blurred. Can’t wait til the end of the week, I’ll have the net again, hopefully I can leech faster than light from one of you generous peeps 
It’s my understanding that AJ sold the rights to everything on WS in 1984.
At least that’s what his lawyer told me.
[mad]
Superb! This paves the way (perhaps) for an eventual re-release/remastering of WS complete with expanded artwork & a 2nd disc of bonus tracks/B-sides/outtakes and the video for Revenge. Walk in the park and a couple of the BETTER remixes from that era (maybe the resequenced version of IWTTH?) would be ideal.
Seeing Everyday, Revenge & WFL at the top of that list is a BIG surprise. Jesus, Stigmata & NWO–not a surprise at all.
P.S. AFAIK Walk in the Park is the only legitimate “stand-alone B-side song” from the Arista/WS era, right? All other b-sides were just remixes, weren’t they?
I’d like to see Al (fat chance) reconsider that period of his life/career with the same sense that Numan or Pete Burns did with “Cars” and “You Spin Me 'Round”----at minimum, reluctant appreciation for the continued royalties/name recognition those songs still bring and their place in the 80’s pop music canon.
Yeah, pretty much that’s the only B-side. “Same Old Madness” was going to be a single, with some (since) unreleased tracks like “Julie Burchill” that have not surfaced.
what ever happened to same old madness? Fell out with arista before it came to light? I never did understand why there was a video made for a song that was never released, let alone a video that got airplay! Has that happened before with any other bands? Or has it been a common thing?
from what i remember reading here, same old madness single/video was funded by waxtrax. so i think during the switch to arista it got kinda lost. too bad.
i wonder if songs like so-so life, never asked for nothing, i’ll do anything for you, love change, etc are copyrighted by arista. but i still don’t think arista would re-release with sympathy or release b-sides/outtakes.
p. s. and if al doesn’t have the tapes (i remember reading somewhere that he burned or destroyed with sympathy-ish stuff)… that’s stupid. he needs to get over it instead of playing new cowboy thrash metal hero.
p. s. and if al doesn’t have the tapes (i remember reading somewhere that he burned or destroyed with sympathy-ish stuff)… that’s stupid. he needs to get over it instead of playing new cowboy thrash metal hero.
There is nothing about you I don’t like.
You are perfect in every way. Little baby Jesus smiles down on you now.
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Here’s something I’ve been wondering. Why wasn’t “Primental” included on the Early Trax comp, since it was originally a Cold Life b-side? Is it because it’s controlled by Arista since the music was used for “I Wanted to Tell Her?”
Here’s something I’ve been wondering. Why wasn’t “Primental” included on the Early Trax comp, since it was originally a Cold Life b-side? Is it because it’s controlled by Arista since the music was used for “I Wanted to Tell Her?”
I don’t think so, why would Wax Trax! rerelease Cold Life in 85’ if they they knew they’d get sued? [crazy] I think Al just scrapped it cause it sounds too much like With Sympathy like Same Old Madness, Love Change, America, etc…[:/]
Here’s something I’ve been wondering. Why wasn’t “Primental” included on the Early Trax comp, since it was originally a Cold Life b-side? Is it because it’s controlled by Arista since the music was used for “I Wanted to Tell Her?”
Or, possibly Al ditched the track for more personal reasons due to its associations with The Abortion, which made more room for those extra unreleased tracks.
Personally, that’s a choice I can live with. I’ve got “Primental” on the original 12 Inch Singles CD anyway, and it’s worth one less remaster to get an unreleased track in this case. Just wish there were even more. “America” would have been a great choice, and is even dark and caustic enough for Uncle Al’s Evil Cowboy Persona. Hell, it’s even more relevant today given the lyrical content.
“We won the war… what war was that? It doesn’t matter, 'cause we won it anyway!”
–SKot
I’ve got “Primental” on the original 12 Inch Singles CD anyway, and it’s worth one less remaster to get an unreleased track in this case.
Twelve Inch Singles doesn’t include Primental, unless you have a very special version of it.
1002
oh yes, no primental on twelve inch singles cd!! urthermore, early trax surely could loose all the tracks that appeared before on twelve inch singles cd and include more unreleased stuff. otherwise it’s just a half-assed repackage of twelve inch singles. i mean, the nature of outtakes on it sounds worse than two different vinyl rips i’ve seen floating around!
Twelve Inch Singles doesn’t include Primental, unless you have a very special version of it.
1002
Whoops… yeah, you’re quite right, it never was on there! Never mind what I just said; I wish they had tacked that one onto Early Trax.
Although I’d still take an unreleased track over that… I know I have it on vinyl at least.
–SKot
p. s. and if al doesn’t have the tapes (i remember reading somewhere that he burned or destroyed with sympathy-ish stuff)… that’s stupid. he needs to get over it instead of playing new cowboy thrash metal hero.
He did mention in that one web-chat (about two years ago) that he had indeed purchased the rights to With Sympathy, and had burned the masters in a bonfire. However - I’m about 99% sure that he was drunk as a skunk during that conversation, so who really knows? As for the unreleased stuff, I’m not actually sure that ANYONE owns the rights to that material…Same Old Madness must have been a WaxTrax! property, because of the video, but the other stuff, I don’t know…and besides that, I bet you anything you could perform some of those songs for Al now, and he wouldn’t have a clue as to what they were! There was a whole lot of material written at that time, and I find all of it to be quality material, but it seems they were just all thrown away once he moved on to the “Halloween” sound. I myself would like to see a proper release of the Twitch stuff. I really dig the “Twitched” boot, but I had heard that there was even more material recorded around '85-'86 that never saw the light of day (I think “I See Red” would be one, right?).
But yeah, it’s about time to start putting that stuff out in bulk. I’m not bitching about “Early Trax,” as we finally saw the release of tunes like “I’m Falling (demo),” “He’s Angry,” and “Move.” But since it was mostly a rehash of “12 Inch Singles,” they should have made it the first of a four volume set, yeah? Each one could cover a roughly five year period of the band, you know? Shit.
If it’s true and Uncle Al really has burned or destroyed the masters for the WS stuff, then it’s up to us–the fans–to carry on preserving what we can. There’s a lot of really good stuff from that period, and in my opinion it’s far better than what Al has been churning out for years now, which just sounds like regurgitated bad metal to me. All of the electronic and synthesizer-based things I liked about the band (even from the Mind/LORAH era) are basically gone. What’s groundbreaking about turning Ministry into just another metal band?
Think back to 1981-83. How many American bands were primarily synth-based at that time? I can name a ton of European synth bands from then, but in the US if you weren’t a guitar/bass/drums type rock band, you weren’t shit. Who else, besides Ministry, were doing this stuff? Information Society? (yes, they were around then) Devo, perhaps? Maybe a handful of others. Like what they were doing or not, Ministry were breaking new ground. They continued breaking new ground with Twitch, LORAH, Mind. After that, it was basically old hat. Psalm 69 did nothing new except start the descent into that boring metal sound (yawn). I’m not saying it’s been all bad since then, but there’s been nothing to really get excited about.
Basically my point (and my opinion) is that Ministry was groundbreaking in the beginning, including ‘the abortion’ period, but hasn’t been really interesting since 1989. Of course, all the fans who got on board after Psalm 69 will disagree with me heavily. That’s fine. Someone keeps buying the new Ministry albums, or Al wouldn’t keep putting them out.
–SKot