We work, we Twitch

How do you rate it? Any interesting stories about it, personal or professional?

I first picked it up about 9 years ago on my way to a party. I didn’t get to listen to it that night. The next morning I was beset with a mother and father of a hangover and stomach rot. I put on Twitch. It pretty much instantly made me forget my sickness and I sat there for the hour, transfixed. I thought it can’t be all that bad with Patty J telling me there’s always an angel who cares. I was 14.

I have always felt Twitch, whether seen as a transition album or a stand alone piece or whatever, had maybe the greatest consistency of any Ministry album (and that was not boring). Adrian Sherwood is credited on all but one song (having sole production and engineering credits on 7 tracks); is it because of this guy that Twitch is what it is? Or do the tracks belong very much to Jourgensen? Anyone have any insight into the professional dealings between the two. Have they worked together since?

Hands down for me the Best Ministry Album “AL Had Control over”! If AL kept Ministry in this vain it would of been totally rad…I would of liked to seen what the next (ALBUM) dance stuff he would of came up with!! I guess Paul had to much control over AL after this so we ended up with LORAH not a bad album but not the greatest! I hope the new solo Album sounds like Twitch but i think its going to end up sounding like a Love And Rockets Album.

Sherwood’s fingerprints are all over this record. I suspect it would sound very different had he not been involved.

some people say that sherwood had to do alot with twitch. tackhead tracks having same drum sounds, same samples here and there kind of prove it. maybe it was all joint effort with sherwood and jourgensen, after all it’s also been said that al gave “move” track (appears on ealy trax) to tackead (appears as m.o.v.e. on tackhead tape time).

then there’s twitched bootleg that supposedly has “original” track order, that announced two things. one was that al included all day on twich because of the sire/warner pressure. no proof of that though, especially in that twitch has different mix from original one on 12" and from the twelve inch singles one. not to mention that single from the album was over the shoulder, along with a video where all was all in new image.

two was that the original medley was “twitch-abortive” which is also kinda doubtful, because twitched has same lorah version of abortive, just cut a minute+ shorter. what is interesting however, is that tracks twitch and isle of man share the same beat. so maybe isle of man and twitch were supposed to be an ending medley, and it was replaced with wuan/c&b/twitch2 in the end, who knows.

i like whole 1984-1987 period very much, all those other songs like he’s angry, nature of love, they have that same “twitchy” sound to them. maybe not halloween, but what the hell. i consider it from the same “style” period.

what is interesting is that ministry used vox-less version of hizbollah on their 1984 shows. at least it got released on lorah, unlike some nice tracks like do you even like it and very very very awesome cover of ricky’s hand. oh, and eyes of christ!

there is a bootleg of twitch tour rehearsals in very very bad quality, that has track “i see red” which eventually became ptp’s my favourite things. the rehearsals also have ealy version of attack ships on fire.

while some folks said that working with revco guys on big sexy land influenced al towards harsher sound on twich. or was it sherwood? or both.

if anything, it’s a shame we still don’t get all the unreleased stuff from that period. early trax was ok, but main problems are that it being overcompressed dynamically and offering very little new stuff (4 tracks in total), while on time of release al said (exact quote) - “i have a wall full of tapes”.

well… release it! sorry for such long post. :wink:

in fact, i’m gonna pop all those tracks and go listen to 'em!

During the summer of '83, after the band had left Boston and set up camp back in Chicago just prior to the Summer WS Tour, Al and Patti moved to a coach-house on Clifton Street a couple of blocks south of Belmont Avenue. A few blocks west of the Vic Theater.

We’d get together in a spare room there where Al had a 4-track and a mixer and we’d hammer out some song ideas. We’d set up a couple of keyboards and a Linn Drum Machine and occasionally Al would plug in his Strat. Most of this happened after the WS Tour when we got back to Chicago. I lived 2 blocks away at the time, also on Clifton just north of Belmont so I spent a lot of time over there. Frankie came by a few once in a while too.

Some of the beats and song chord/bass patterns on Twitch came out of those sessions…although the Song Titles themselves are different. At least, a lot of things are similar and in that style. We had started recording again as a band in the winter of 83/84 at a studio called Pierce-Arrow in Evanston and that’s when things fell apart for the WS version of Ministry. At least for me.

The Pierce-Arrow sessions weren’t going well so I left the band. The '84 version of the band was to follow…then Al recorded Twitch with Sherwood. I remember Sherwood’s name being mentioned a few times as a possible producer when we were at Pierce-Arrow, but I never worked with him.

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Al recorded the vocals for the song Twitch on a rooftop near the East Germany and West Germany border and jets were flying overheard. You can hear them vaguely.

Got this in '86 or so, and it really was a shock for me (back then, being so used to WS).

I packed Ministry away in '92, but got this
one out maybe a year ago. LOVE it! Such a cold
sound to it yet beautiful. Good lead-up to LORAH,
even though THAT was the shocker for me!

No Adrian on Twitch and it would’ve sounded like a gayer version of With Sympathy.

As Special Ed once said…Al would be toast without Sherwood.

I’ll take this opportunity to post the Adrian Sherwood/Dub Syndicate gig photos from last year up here in Edinburgh…

As you can see I’m totally gay for Adrian.

I remember seeing that pic of Sherwood before. Did you ask him anything about Twitch? That is funny what special ed said about Al & Sherwood. Guess it’s kind of true.

Some interesting Twitch stories already. Nice

@ Wemp: I had a vague memory either you or someone else mentioning before about working on Twitch material w/ the WS line up. Was wondering if that was just in my head. Stephen George and Brad Hallen are credited on the album so that had me thinking I wasn’t just making it up. On a side note S. George is credited on the member page as working such esteemed artists as R Kelly, Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys, is this legit or a joke? Either way I think its funny that there is a link to these “artists” on this site.

I@ Wemp: I had a vague memory either you or someone else mentioning before about working on Twitch material w/ the WS line up. Was wondering if that was just in my head. Stephen George and Brad Hallen are credited on the album so that had me thinking I wasn’t just making it up. On a side note S. George is credited on the member page as working such esteemed artists as R Kelly, Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys, is this legit or a joke? Either way I think its funny that there is a link to these “artists” on this site.

I might assume that because Stevo and Brad have credits on Twitch that their contribution may have come from some of the stuff that we worked on at Pierce-Arrow. I don’t believe either of them ever went to Germany with Al to work with Sherwood. So it would make sense, just as some of the tracks from WS were actually recorded in Chicago before the Boston sessions. Note that John Davis gets a credit on WS…but he was never in the studio in Boston.

Stevo worked with R Kelly, Britney and the BB as an engineer/producer, not as a player, and has received a few gold/platinum records/credits as a result. Stevo has probably made more money in the music business than any other member of Ministry. He’s not the kinda person to waste it either. He’s done quite well for himself.

I remember seeing that pic of Sherwood before. Did you ask him anything about Twitch?

No… I was too busy kissing his ass about his music.

I can tell you he was ultra cool and nice though.

Stevo worked with R Kelly, Britney and the BB as an engineer/producer, not as a player, and has received a few gold/platinum records/credits as a result.

Wow.

Good on him.

By the way…who is the BB?

By the way…who is the BB?[/reply]

the backstreet boys?

wonder how different al and ministry would have been if he stayed with the first misses

Twitch is my favorite Ministry album too. It blew my mind when I first heard it and it’s still damned tasty these many years later! “Over the Shoulder” is my favorite Ministry single.

[reply]Stevo worked with R Kelly, Britney and the BB as an engineer/producer, not as a player, and has received a few gold/platinum records/credits as a result.

Wow.

Good on him.

By the way…who is the BB?[/reply]

Here ya go.

http://www.gimmethatsoundrecords.com/stephengeorgeaudio/

Oh yeah, an interesting TWITCH story.

when I was 16 or so, I learned most of what I knew about music from my two older brothers. My brothers both were in a huge and very nasty car crash. They were listening to Twitch on cassette on a boom box as they got in the crash (they were going something like 100 on a 40mph road and rolled a turn).

I remember going to the hospital and being shocked at seeing my oldest brother Jim covered in blood. After they were let out, Jim gave me the boombox (with Twitch in it), though there was still dried blood on it. A cheap cassette boom box caked in blood, that’s an image that the album brings to mind for me.

The Pierce-Arrow sessions weren’t going well so I left the band. The '84 version of the band was to follow…then Al recorded Twitch with Sherwood.

So do you think this maybe the reason he doesn’t like with sympathy era cause everybody left him during this time frame?..LOL…He was like damn you all…Im a angry man now…Skip this I’ll show them and record a more angry record by myself…LOL

When I think of Over the Shoulder I always remember taking a shower and banging the shower walls to the beat of the song. It was a fiberglass shower stall and had a really good sound. Someone should have sampled it!

Good idea carmangary… and cool thread guys

[reply]The Pierce-Arrow sessions weren’t going well so I left the band. The '84 version of the band was to follow…then Al recorded Twitch with Sherwood.

So do you think this maybe the reason he doesn’t like with sympathy era cause everybody left him during this time frame?..LOL…He was like damn you all…Im a angry man now…Skip this I’ll show them and record a more angry record by myself…LOL[/reply]

You might be on to something.