You still make no mention of Hussein’s crimes. “Iraq did not ask for help”?!?!? Who is going to ask for help over there - at the expense of being butchered? They didn’t have a voice. We gave them one.
What about Hussein’s crimes? The US is not the world police. Iraqis need to stand for themselves but they don’t cause they are not there yet as a society.
The same kinda shit was in place with Russia but it fell. Why did Russia fall you say? Glad you asked. Russia fell cause the uneducated dirt poor populace rose up and said “enough of this shit!”
The middle east has not done that yet and are therefore NOT READY to govern themselves! By your logic Hitler would be in power because no Jew would ever stand up and ask for help, at the risk of being butchered by the ss troops.
The iraqis don’t have a voice because they haven’t found theirs yet. When you give someone a voice when they have none, you have tuned them into a ventriliquist’s dummy and you are the ventriliquist. It’s not real.
Why were Iraquis cheering in the streets when Hussein’s statue was pulled down or when he was FINALLY hung?
I’ll answer that but not before I point out that this has nothing to do with 9/11, the SOLE reason the US went to Iraq in the first place. (Which still makes W a Liar and a torturer which means he’s a war criminal) It’s fucked up that sadam was an asshole and believe me if I was responsible for him, like I am W, or he was a threat to my personal/national safety, know damn well that I’m on your side and go after him but NOT to install Democracy (to a society that so clearly cannot handle it.) but to make sure my voice stays intact, BUT both of those scenarios were not in place.
#1 they were probably cheering for the same reason that many would cheer in the streets if W was hanged!
#2 There weren’t that many people cheering(just like there wouldn’t be that many cheering for W’s hanging but you could get tight lense shots and make it look like a whole lot!). As bad as Hussein was, many iraqi’s still see the west as the great satan and worse than a brutal dictator. A misconception I’m sure that is deepened now that we’ve shown up with all of our War toys and killed oodles and oodles of civilians the very people we were supposed to be liberating! who knew it was to liberate them from their bodies?!
Why did the Iraqui people risk death attending a democratic electoral ballot?
because they were TOLD to do so. (Hell of alot of freedom there is there when somebody TELLS you to do something!) Also Many of the voters are directly related to those in that puppet government.
Did they not FINALLY have the chance to vote??
They don’t care about that! Otherwise you would see the people turning out en mass to vote but they’re not!
It’s a stand against religious extremism - how can a dirt poor, uneducated nation with a repressive homicidal butcher as a leader (this is a guy who fed an Iraqui soccer team through a meat grinder for LOSING) possibly start a ‘revolution’ and overthrow said ruler? That’s madness.
Have you not been paying attention over there? IT’S ALL RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM over there!
Next, it was Hussein’s son that beat and imprisoned the soccer team not sadam. Whether Sadam Knew or not is a debatable subject and one that serves merit but it’s not related to W’s war.
Finally Democracy works on the intelligence of it’s populace if the populace over there is uneducated like you say (which I don’t doubt) the “Democracy” installed will never work cause the citizens will not be smart enough to hold onto it.
When the uneducated grow tired of being uneducated they will throw off their shackles of ignorane and rise up. ONE Brutal dictator is no match for 10 smart people. Iraqis just aren’t there yet! They just don’t know. Based on your assessment of Sadam, muscle will always rule over everything and that is simply not true!
They could not have accomplished what was accomplished without help from the US.
And I still say nothing to brag about… You seem conservative enough to know what’s more valuable, that which is given to you (especially when you haven’t asked or wanted) or that which you have earned? Iraqis haven’t earned this because there aren’t enough that want it.
And do you honestly believe that an imposed democarcy is worse than a brutal dictatorship? I know which one I’d choose to live under.
It’s the same thing, you are still left with a populace that can’t take care of itself. So you get a benevolent dictator instead of a butcher, dictator is still dictator. Just don’t lie and call it Democracy!
And of course you would choose imposed democracy (If there is such a thing) because you’re a free citizen and undestand the value of choice and voice. These people do not yet understand those concepts.
Do you belive that the most powerful democracy the world has ever seen shouldn’t interfere in another country’s affairs - even when innocent people are being slaughtered and tortured en masse by their own government - because it’s too politically sensitive? Yr beginning to sound like the idiot left wingers over here.
Politics doesn’t have shit to do with it. If Iraqis wanted democracy there would’ve been a grass roots/underground movement/something/anything, but there wasn’t. I’m all for the US helping out those that ask/need it. for example, helping out Russia when the Iron Curtain fell, All for it. helping Darfur all for it. Helping Iraqis not so much. Iraqis haven’t stood up yet. there will be no democracy for iraq until they understand how to be free but they aren’t going to come to that realization because we tell them to be free . Think about it like a zoo animal caged its whole life in a zoo, you give it6 “freedom” it will die because it doesn’t know how to survive in freedom, and that in a nutshell is Iraqi democracy (obviously not a perfect analogy cause caged animals don’t respond/evolve like humans, but close enough)
I do agree however with your comments on the torture of POWs on behalf of the US. In that sense, I think SOMEONE has alot of explaining to do. That has undone alot of good work.
well at least it’s not bitterly opposite debate![:P]
Late,
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