Twin Towers

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The sooner you all stop blaming Bush for yr country’s misfortune the sooner you can pull yrselves out of the economic mess yr in and move on.

You blame the guy for EVERYTHING and then some and it has gotten you NOWHERE. Hell’ the poor guy even copped it fair and square for Hurricane Katrina for heaven’s sake.

And what do you all go and do now that ‘Evil Texas George’ has serve his time good and proper? What’s yr answer?? Go and elect a freakin’ showy, smooth talkin’ greenhorn who would be more at home selling used cars to college students and who has as much hope of pulling you through the economic recession as I have of being the next spokesman for Gucci.

Good luck with that. You guys are fucked with that slick Hollywood-beloved pretty boy and his arrogant Ice Queen Bitch Goddess deputy in charge.

Not that Australia is any better. We’ve gone and elected a preening, petulant private schoolboy bully as our ‘chief of staff’. A vapid, clueless, vindictive fuck and union puppet who says all the right things and delivers absolutely FUCK ALL, except for the fact that everyone thinks he’s a genius for borrowing billions and throwing it at the public to win them over.

Jeez I HATE Kevin Rudd.

So…I guess we’re all stuffed!!!

<gulp>

thank you Bill O’rielly![mad]
We don’t blame the guy for everything just the shit he’s responsible for! (it just seems like everything cause he fucked up a lot!)
Kinda hard to pull ourselves out of this economic mess when W had legitimized the climate of entitlement with the Upper class.
Don’t know where yo get your info but W has NEVER copped to the fuck ups of hurricane katrina! He has never copped to anything! “served his time proper”? What the fuck does that mean?

Go and elect a freakin’ showy, smooth talkin’ greenhorn who would be more at home selling used cars to college students and who has as much hope of pulling you through the economic recession as I have of being the next spokesman for Gucci.

Jesus, you are such a tool! At least “we” had the decency to wait for W to fuck up before we started busting his chops! Jesus, you start right in with the ad hominems not even a year in.
The fact that you’re spouting out year old talking points (hollywood pretty boy? he’s from Chicago! no where near Hollywood!) shows just how illinformed you are. Politics are not a sporting event with sides and teams rather than real situations that have consequences for you!
thank god you don’t vote in this country.
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grmpysmrf

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sorry.

as for the original question, I originally heard 2012 from some sign or another at Liberty State Park, but that’s probably outdated. (I live about 10 mins away from NYC) . I really don’t think it’s necessary to build another one. sure, it’ll bring jobs for construction workers, and of course thousands of people once the building is built. and it might, just MIGHT help out the economy and open plenty of new jobs.
but for what? is it necessary? maybe not. a bigger target than before even?I say let a dead dog lie.

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Obama hasn’t proven himself yet though. Give him some time. So far all talk NO action really. And he’s pulled the troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan which is proving to be even more fruitless and far more dangerous. What do they hope to achieve there.

I’ll certainly agree with you here. 8 months is hardly a time to get much accomplisheed. Although I don’t think he’s talked enough. He shows up every now and again makes a speech and then goes away for a month or two…

To be honest, I much preferred Bush over Obama anyday.

Oh jesus, Why? anybody who say this obviously doesn’t live here.
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grmpysmrf

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It’s always a double edged sword, but makes for interesting conversation. Who’s to blame, the people in office, or the people who put the people into office? And of course, one can’t predict what an elected official can or can’t accomplish while in his position.
People judging someone presently in office is a bit tough. I’d say judgement shouldn’t be passed until his term is done, or at least half way done.

sorry, clearly my mind is out of focus tonight and I’m all over the place.

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beginning to think the twin towers are an analogy for smart and stupid in this country.
sometimes i wonder if life would have been less stupid if my ancestors hadn’t
borded that plane ride to ohio. toledo.1956.

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It’s always a double edged sword, but makes for interesting conversation. Who’s to blame, the people in office, or the people who put the people into office? And of course, one can’t predict what an elected official can or can’t accomplish while in his position.
People judging someone presently in office is a bit tough. I’d say judgement shouldn’t be passed until his term is done, or at least half way done.

I like your points on who’s to blame. voters or the politicians. I wouldn’t say you have to wait until the term is over or half the term is over before you start assessing. Just look at the quality of the decisions that have been made.

sorry, clearly my mind is out of focus tonight and I’m all over the place.

I wouldn’t say that at all. very valid points.
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grmpysmrf

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thank you Bill O’rielly![mad]
We don’t blame the guy for everything just the shit he’s responsible for! (it just seems like everything cause he fucked up a lot!)…

Jesus, you are such a tool! At least “we” had the decency to wait for W to fuck up before we started busting his chops! Jesus, you start right in with the ad hominems not even a year in.

Grmpy…chill!

Just pointing out that ‘finger pointing’ isn’t going to achieve anything. Don’t get so personal.

Sheesh…let’s not undo all the good work we did in patchinhg things up in the first place.

<holds up white flag>

Don’t get so personally offended when the talk turns to politics.

Also, I said that Obabma was ‘beloved’ by Hollywood - not that he was from Hollywood. And that I thought that he was all style over substance…but he may YET prove me wrong.

And ed, I WAS referring to Hilary Clinton as ‘The Ice Queen’. I don’t like her. Enough said.

And my initial comments weren’t bought about by race. It has nothing to do with Obama being black. You made the assumption and just started waving the race card because I had a fair go at the guy.

Just because us Aussies don’t live in the US, doesn’t mean we can’t have an opinion - even if it is an “ill informed” one.

Disagree with me by all means - but keep it civil.

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ok.
perhaps I was hasty in my post reply. but W is such a sore spot with me. you’re right finger pointing won’t solve this but if you we take a look at his policies (or lack there of) that got us into to this mess and do the exact opposite … yadda yadda yadda… dadda dadda dadda… and all that. white flag accepted.
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grmpysmrf

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Side note: given the title of this thread, doesn’t the “Hot Thread” icon to the left of the name on the menu page seem a bit harsh? I’m not saying change it, I just think it’s kinda funny considering the resemblence.
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grmpysmrf

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i’m really happy that nearly 50 million americans have ZERO health insurance. hey senor olsen, got a smartass, i don’t live there comment?

OK, “Senor Ed” , I was not trying to be a smartass in the slightest- you started on about racism when the post you were replying to never mentioned race whatsoever and was more an attack on Obama’s perceived media image.

Of course I am aware of the racist violence that has plague your country for decades - and trust me, our country has had its fair share of intolerance. But that had nothing to do with the original comments that you were adressing.

Noone mentioned the fact that he was black until you started making an issue of it. That’s why I made the ‘paranoia’ comment.

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[reply]i’m really happy that nearly 50 million americans have ZERO health insurance. hey senor olsen, got a smartass, i don’t live there comment?

OK, “Senor Ed” , I was not trying to be a smartass in the slightest- you started on about racism when the post you were replying to never mentioned race whatsoever and was more an attack on Obama’s perceived media image.

Of course I am aware of the racist violence that has plague your country for decades - and trust me, our country has had its fair share of intolerance. But that had nothing to do with the original comments that you were adressing.

Noone mentioned the fact that he was black until you started making an issue of it. That’s why I made the ‘paranoia’ comment.[/reply]
I think what ed is referring to is the majority of people who Oppose Obama here, harbor racist undertones…(not you specifically) and some aren’t undertones at all but right there on the surface. so the Anti obama rhetoric is soaked in racism here. for example Senator joe “you lie” Wilson belongs to groups such as the “Sons of conferderate veterans.” Racism has certainly reared it’s ugly head to where it’s blatantly visible now. I hope Ed wasn’t implying you were racist, But it would seem like racism is fueling this fire here.
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grmpysmrf

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Ahem…

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6026740/tens-of-thousands-rally-against-obama-government/

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Ahem…

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6026740/tens-of-thousands-rally-against-obama-government/

Yeah… that’s Glen Beck’s crowd. Glen beck’s rally, “the 9/12 project.” Glen Beck… the media guy… the guy who said he “was sick of 9/11 families”
Idiots! Thousands who don’t know what Socialism really is, but repeat it because they think it makes them sound “informed.” There’s nothing new there and kinda supports what Ed was saying earlier about racism… it’s that crowd.
as you were
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grmpysmrf

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thanks smrf!

I have an early morning question to ask:
should 9/11 be a national holiday? A day to mourn?

I ask this because my perspective is probably different on the whole deal than say, someone in California maybe. That’s not to say that people on the other side of the country weren’t emotionally effected and can’t be as emotionally effected as someone who’s seen it first hand.
The first plane literally flew over my dad’s car on the turnpike on his way to work and hundreds of other on the road saw the impact. I saw the Towers burning and collapsing from my high school. Smoke and dust breezed across the water for weeks afterwards. It became a tourist attraction from all parts of the NJ waterfront starting on 9/12 (sometimes the stupidity of the human race scares me)

Yet we have a day in October celebrating a man who raped 7 year old girls and was tried and returned by his own army in chains as a war criminal.

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9/11 should not be a holiday. A holiday is a day off in honor of something. And if it was a national holiday people would get the day off, so in theory then the terrorists WOULD have won by having shut down our country every year on the same day.

BTW I was reading that by appointing a Czar for something… drug czar, health czar etc… the person appointed by the president is not up to the typical scrutiny and investigation into nomination that the senate and other can put on a nominee for something. he just flat out gets the job. can’t get fired unless the president says so. Not that Obama is the first to do the czar thing, but apparently he has appointed the most so far out of any president

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Soul And Pork

I see both points you two have. Although, Pork, I think you’re weak on one and strong on another.
Just because we have a national holiday doesn’t mean we’re honoring something, it could be in rememberance (although you could argue that we’re honoring those dead on that day) but I really like you’re other point. The whole point of the terrorists was to violently disrupt America and if we memorialize 9/11 and take the day off then we will have forever let them disrupt America on 9/11. excellent point…however, on that train of thought, it seems if we make our decision with that in mind, it would seem as though Terrorists are still forcing our hand/part of the decision process/intervening when they shouldn’t be given a second thought… but point taken.
I could go either way. Holiday it, I’m fine with that, keep it open and recognize a moment of silence at the start of the work day, I’m fine with that as well.

BTW I was reading that by appointing a Czar for something… drug czar, health czar etc… the person appointed by the president is not up to the typical scrutiny and investigation into nomination that the senate and other can put on a nominee for something. he just flat out gets the job. can’t get fired unless the president says so.

Funny thing about the Czars. They were created (in this country) by Richard Millhouse “I’m not a crook” Nixon. A republican. Really the republican title is no big deal there EXCEPT that republicans were leading the red scare back in the 1950’s with Joe McCarthy. The big three finding communism EVERYWHERE were Joe McCarthy, Richard M. Nixon and Ronald Reagan.

So, to me, it’s very telling when Nixon (one of the chief proponents of the 1950’s red Scare) got into office, created special positions that he called “czar.” Kind of odd since he ruined so many people’s lives by associating them with Russia, and then he creates a position accountable only to him. Hmmm What was Nixon trying to tell us? I’ve noticed a pattern. Politicians who hate adulterers and promote family values usually cheat on their wives and screw their family over. Politicians that are anti drug usually have drug problems, Politicians that hate gay rightrs are usually gay or have some gay skeletons.

So that would suggest that Nixon was procommunism. You could certainly see that with the tyrannical way he ran the country while in office. Blatantly breaking laws and then saying “when the president does it it’s not illegal”

Lucky for us the country wasn’t so partisan back in the day, that we could get that asshole out of office, but the blue print that Nixon laid out for Bush/Cheney works exceptionally well now that politics has been turned into a sporting event with people cheering their side on when they know blatantly that they’re in the wrong! (so what that the Oakland Raiders suck?? THEY’RE MY TEAM!!! [mad])

Not that Obama is the first to do the czar thing, but apparently he has appointed the most so far out of any president

What “Far out there Czars” has Obama appointed?
Late,
grmpysmrf

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What “Far out there Czars” has Obama appointed?
Late,
grmpysmrf

damn speeech police… obama has appointed to most czars, so far, out of any president

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What “Far out there Czars” has Obama appointed?
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grmpysmrf

damn speeech police… obama has appointed to most czars, so far, out of any president[/reply]
Speech police?! is that anything like W’s “free speech zones” back when he would speak? What are their roles as speech police? got a link on this? (I’m not challengiing you just figure it would be easier to read about it than pepper you with the 3rd degree[;)])
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grmpysmrf

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Is it just me or is socialism now the new communism in this country? It seems like the boogey man buzz word to keep middle America afraid. These right wing talking heads and pundits are eating this stuff up, and spreading fear just as bad as when the Taliban was hiding behind every bush.

Granted the Cold War was a very scary time for most of the world, even though I am not as old as some here (I am 36), I can remember during the 80’s the threat of nuclear war hung over our heads constantly with the arms race, and Reagan’s Star Wars initiative.

With W, I certainly did not like the man, but when 9/11 happened I gave him the benefit of the doubt to see how he would proceed. At first going into Afghanistan was the right thing, Bin Laden’s base of operations was there, and the Taliban’s regime is among the worst in the world. When we started our chest beating about WMDs in Iraq is when he lost me.

It should have been obvious to anyone that W had a hard-on for Saddam ever since the 1st Gulf War, and he threatened to kill his daddy. In my opinion that war, beyond the sheer profiteering done by no bid contractors, was a vendetta. Don’t get me wrong I had no love for Saddam, he was no more than a brutal thug with ties in the region that go back to the Nazis, but now the US mission in Afghanistan may not be won because so much time and focus was spent elsewhere.

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With W, I certainly did not like the man, but when 9/11 happened I gave him the benefit of the doubt to see how he would proceed. At first going into Afghanistan was the right thing, Bin Laden’s base of operations was there, and the Taliban’s regime is among the worst in the world. When we started our chest beating about WMDs in Iraq is when he lost me.

Absolutely!
Obama gets NO benefit of the doubt; sickening.
And socialism IS the new buzzward just like Taliban/terrorist was 5-6 years ago and most notably how communism was in the 50’s. Fear will make anybody do anything and it sure is easy to scare the stupid!
I vaguely remember the cold war you got 3 years on me so i was young in the early 80’s when Reagan was pushing starwars.
But i think your whole post was right on the nose Chemical.
Late,
grmpysmrf