[reply]He’s guilty of something - they arrested him, right? He wouldn’t have been in that situation if he wasn’t doing something wrong, plus there were witneSses? Why does people here say he’s innocent?
You would think so. Frankly, I don’t know the details of the case and don’t really care to. I’m not going to waste my time keeping up with it via the media since the media is incapable of reporting anything these days without putting some liberal BS slant on it. Just take a look back at how the OJ trials went. But the bottom line is that I am not ready to throw out the current legal system and/or executions due to one person. It would be on par with banning airplanes after 9/11.[/reply]
you must be crazy. every time i watch american news all i hear is typical RIGHTWING bullshit. you guys are fucking nuts down there. your attitude sums it up nicely.
the media is incapable of reporting anything these days without putting some liberal BS slant on it.
You are off your nut!!
Let’s roll call this bitch, shall we?
Bill orielly
Glenn beck (although he is only back to radio- am radio that’s another Fuckin right dominated medium)
Sean hannity
Wolf blitzer
Lou dobbs
Ann coulter
Mancow
tucker carlson
Bubble head host #1 from fox and friends
Bubble head host #2 from fox and friends
Bubble head host #3 from fox and friends
Greta van susteran
Nancy grace
Rush limbaugh
And those are the ones from the top of my head. I know there are more
Who do you have for the left? And I would argue they are not even left they just try to undue the damage done from the misinformation of our “liberal media”
Keith olberman (who has been banished to an obscure network for pissing off the overlords at msnbc)
Rachel maddow
Ed shultz
Chris matthews (partime)
Michael moore (who shows up once every couple years with a documentary about how bad we’re being fucked)
Oh yea, the media is “liberal!” I’ll believe that when my shit turns purple ans tastes like rainbow sherbert!
The media isn’t even accidently liberal!
The best you have is msnbc which is a lone voice in sea of cnn, fox news and all of its little local news outlets. Even the AP is drinking the punch!
7 of the 9 witnesses recanted their testimony about davis, bet you didn’t hear/read that on your liberally slanted news!
You know, you are out of the military now, carmangary, you no longer have to follow orders, you can think for yourself now. Give it a shot and let us know how it goes.
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grmpysmrf
9 of the top 10 (most watched) news shows in the U.S. are affiliated with NewsCorp.
NewsCorp and its benevolent leader being paragons of liberal virtues.
unfortunately, I am right and you are wrong.
Oh, thanks a lot carmangary that ought to do it.
Why didn’t you come with such a convinving argument in the first place?
Must be really peaceful in the land of no brain activity. Well, as they say no brain no pain.
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grmpysmrf
It’s a big deal if you are Troy Davis or one of his family members. Otherwise, no, not such a big deal.
This is one of the stupidest things I’ve read on this forum in a long time.
Carmangary, your attempts at arguing the point consist of little more than circular arguments at best, and are infantile at worst.
At least no one threw a banana at him.
The initial post in this thread asked what we thought about it. I missed the part where it asked us to make points that everyone will agree with.
But, my point is that I am 100% fine with the guy being executed. I trust that the legal system works most of the time. When it doesn’t, I chalk it up as an accident or wrongful death just as I do when a car crashes or some electrocutes themself while working on there house. In the grand scheme of things, Troy Davis doesn’t matter. We’re all going to die some day.
I accept the cold hard reality of life. But then again, I didn’t vote for Obama.
the issue with what you’re saying is that one thing is an accident, the other a deliberate act. nobody is going to argue that shit happens, but deliberately causing shit to happen must be considered wrong. if it isn’t, we (and when i say ‘we’, i mean ‘you’ as this is not an issue we have in the UK) may as well pick a person at random to kill instead of every person on death row and let the actual ‘murderer’ free. we’re all going to die someday, right? who cares? …you don’t care he died, fair enough, but the fact is that if it was you on death row and you were innocent you would care. hell, you’d care even if you were guilty. what you are describing, what has actually happened, is uncivilised, a step backwards. but that’s just my opinion.
The initial post in this thread asked what we thought about it. I missed the part where it asked us to make points that everyone will agree with.
Incredible!
Ok, yea, someone asked what we thought, but generally opinions are based on thought and rationality, not just blindly picking a side.
Perhaps its a good thing you are out of the armed forces. It’s one of the armed forces main duties to make sure shit like this doesn’t happen in other countries (help generate peace and justice). You obviously aren’t cut out for that kind of work if you can blindly turn away from it in the homeland.
And really you have summed up the problem with the republican party. You take advantage of all of the perks that come with living in society but offer nothing in return. You’d think people would grow out of being a spoiled child once they hit adulthood. Damn shame. Again.
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grmpysmrf
Perhaps it is a good thing that you are not in the armed services because you are a pussy.
Why is it that all of the old Fuckers on the board always want to take it to a physical level whenever they are exposed for the idiots they are?
you really should watch your tone, old man.
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grmpysmrf
Come on, Grumps. That was hilarious. It’s not like he said he was gonna fight you behind the bleachers or something. He just called you a pussy and implied that you wouldn’t cut it in the military (God knows I wouldn’t either).
He may not have made the most convincing argument for his point of view (though I don’t really think it would have mattered as people will take their own side regardless), but you gotta recognize a good zinger when it’s tossed at ya.
It’s not like he said he was gonna fight you behind the bleachers or something.
He may as well have. Just thought I would turn the tables on him and be the state to his Troy Davis because I’m easily stronger, younger, and quicker than him. The advantage is all me.
So if he wants to call “Pussy” those sound like fighting words… and I’m sure one day if we ever have a prongs meet n greet we can get down to business and see just who the pussy is… That would be great for him to have to go home to his family and colleagues and explain how he ended up with a broken jaw and a black eye from a tree huggin peace lovin’ hippy.
[reply][reply]Perhaps it is a good thing that you are not in the armed services because you are a pussy.
Why is it that all of the old Fuckers on the board always want to take it to a physical level whenever they are exposed for the idiots they are?
you really should watch your tone, old man.
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grmpysmrf[/reply]
Like I said, I am not going to waste deep thought on this nonsense. Some people draw comics when they want to make an insult. I just state the obvious.[/reply]
You just state the obvious. The obvious what? The obvious fact that you are drone that thinks anything outside of your comfort zone doesn’t affect you. Got news for you smart one… What happens in society has a specific impact on you whether you feel it right away or not.
sad thing about all of this is that it doesn’t take any level of deep thought. It’s just common sense. You should send AM radio a thank you letter for destroying all of yours.
You know, you certainly are entitled to your opinion and opinions are seldom ever “wrong” but you have to call “Retard” on an opinion when the person spouting said opinion has no common sense what-so-ever to the opinion they are spouting.
I seldom agree with Peligro or Olsen but at least they have a little bit of an idea behind what they believe. You, it sounds like you pulled an opinion out of a hat and decided to stick with it. No thought, No common sense just “opinion A.” Fucking pathetic.
How can you expect not to get questioned when others come with stronger arguments than this and still get questioned?
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grmpysmrf
I think you’re getting his stance a little misunderstood, though, Grumps. He’s not saying that the guy is definitely guilty of that he should have absolutely been executed. He’s just saying that it’s not worth it to him to get worked up about it as he doesn’t know the details of the case and feels that, in general, our legal system works.
I sort of agree with this. I looked on Wikipedia and got the Readers’ Digest version of the case and really don’t know whether the guy was guilty of not. 12 jurors apparently felt they knew enough about it, though, to convict him.
IF he was innocent then yeah, that sucks that he got snuffed.
I’m not “okay” with innocent people being put to death, but I’ll save my moral outrage for things that I know more about and actually care to get involved in.
I think you’re getting his stance a little misunderstood, though, Grumps. He’s not saying that the guy is definitely guilty of that he should have absolutely been executed. He’s just saying that it’s not worth it to him to get worked up about it as he doesn’t know the details of the case and feels that, in general, our legal system works.
I sort of agree with this. I looked on Wikipedia and got the Readers’ Digest version of the case and really don’t know whether the guy was guilty of not. 12 jurors apparently felt they knew enough about it, though, to convict him.
IF he was innocent then yeah, that sucks that he got snuffed.
I’m not “okay” with innocent people being put to death, but I’ll save my moral outrage for things that I know more about and actually care to get involved in.
I think you’re putting a lot more stock into his posts… maybe I’m not putting enough stock into them. Just the simple fact that after getting brushed up on the case you’re still not sure shows reasonable doubt.
12 jurors found Tom Robinson guilty too.
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grmpysmrf
I find it funny that grmps wrongly (and angrily) accuses djPon3 of threatening physical violence and then grmps goes on to threaten the afore mentioned DJ with physical violence if there’s ever a prongs meet up. Ain’t no one else like our grmpy.
I find it funny that grmps wrongly (and angrily) accuses djPon3 of threatening physical violence and then grmps goes on to threaten the afore mentioned DJ with physical violence if there’s ever a prongs meet up. Ain’t no one else like our grmpy.
I didn’t bring violence into it. I responded to it. Pussy is what you call some one when you’re egging a fight.
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grmpysmrf
[reply][reply]I think you’re getting his stance a little misunderstood, though, Grumps. He’s not saying that the guy is definitely guilty of that he should have absolutely been executed. He’s just saying that it’s not worth it to him to get worked up about it as he doesn’t know the details of the case and feels that, in general, our legal system works.
I sort of agree with this. I looked on Wikipedia and got the Readers’ Digest version of the case and really don’t know whether the guy was guilty of not. 12 jurors apparently felt they knew enough about it, though, to convict him.
IF he was innocent then yeah, that sucks that he got snuffed.
I’m not “okay” with innocent people being put to death, but I’ll save my moral outrage for things that I know more about and actually care to get involved in.
I think you’re putting a lot more stock into his posts… maybe I’m not putting enough stock into them. Just the simple fact that after getting brushed up on the case you’re still not sure shows reasonable doubt.
12 jurors found Tom Robinson guilty too.
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grmpysmrf[/reply]
Wow, grumps, now not only do I think that you are a pussy, I think you are a moron. I have explained my position more than once and you still continue to make something out of nothing. Gunnar gets it. Why can’t you? This isn’t the first time you have gotten bent out of shape over something that doesn’t exist so I don’t think there is anything to defend on my part. The problem is you and I am not your therapist so I am bailing out.[/reply]
You’re obviously an idiot that is incapable of common sense, let alone thought, so it’s probably better you bail, lest you hurt yourself with anymore of this.
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grmpysmrf
Just the simple fact that after getting brushed up on the case you’re still not sure shows reasonable doubt.
No. It doesn’t. My so-called “doubt” is neither reasonable nor relevant. I took 2 minutes to skim through a couple paragraphs of a Wiki article (not exactly courtroom evidence or testimony). Based on what I read it seems to me that the dude was a cretin at best, rollin’ around with brutal thugs and partaking in acts of brutal thuggery. And he may very well have murdered one or more people.
There’s a difference, though, between legal “reasonable doubt” and an outsider’s ignorance of a case. I’m claiming ignorance. And, with the exception of perhaps Rustyhacksaw who seems to be pretty plugged in to the actual case, I don’t think many are actually that qualified to determine the fella’s guilt or lack thereof.
Our system is set up so that 12 men and/or women are given this daunting task of listening to sometimes hundreds of hours of testimony, reviewing hundreds or thousands of pages of evidence, and so forth.
Those jurors’ reasonable doubt is the only reasonable doubt that matters in this case (or any capital case). You say it was unfair or racist or whatever, but I’m saying (and I think this is part of what Gary is saying) that I don’t know much about the case and don’t care to.
If you’re fully educated on the case and want to argue Davis’ innocence or guilt, so be it. If you want to debate the merits or lack thereof regarding the death penalty, again, so be it. But you’re continuing to argue debates that aren’t even on the table and attacking points that were never made to begin with.
carmangary is a Brony.
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