That’s bad form if they are playing the same show as for 10,000 days tour. Not that it was a bad show (though it was too short) they should resign material from 10,000 days tour to maybe 1 or 2 inclusions as it was far from their best effort. They should include at least 4 from Aenima, 4 from Lateralus, 2 from Undertow and any others from the rest of the catalogue if the tour is not attached to a new album. I’ve seen them twice, in '02 + '06. The first show was the best, mainly because they opened with ‘Flood’
If you’re into prog rock, listen to King Crimson. Their sound has evolved so much over the last few decades, they do it all, hard rock, classical, funk, a little blues, new wave, electronic, and so on. Almost every song they do is in some odd time signature. They even opened up for Tool in 2001.
The funny thing is Tool claims to be influenced by the band, but Robert Fripp says he can’t even hear the influence in their music. If you want to hear a really good Crimson album, start with “Red.” The title track alone will kick your ass!
If you’re into prog rock, listen to King Crimson. Their sound has evolved so much over the last few decades, they do it all, hard rock, classical, funk, a little blues, new wave, electronic, and so on. Almost every song they do is in some odd time signature. They even opened up for Tool in 2001.
The funny thing is Tool claims to be influenced by the band, but Robert Fripp says he can’t even hear the influence in their music. If you want to hear a really good Crimson album, start with “Red.” The title track alone will kick your ass!
King Crimson rule all. As much as I like Tool, they aint King Crimson. KC’s last album ‘The Power to Believe’ is such a cool album, maybe their heaviest yet. I’d love for something new from Fripp, Belew and co. to come our way soon. King Crimson Mk XXXVII or whatever it would be now. I’d hold Fripp & Belew to be 2 of the most important rock musicians ever.
Yeah, they got booed off stage and people threw coins at them. Typical Tool idiot fans - think they’re so ‘enlightened’ by listening to pseudo-intellectual prog metal, yet when faced with something truly innovative and challenging like Fantomas or The Melvins, they totally reject it. Morons.
It’s sort of funny that as Tool’s music has progressed and gotten more technical, expansive and eclectic, they’ve attracted an exponentially increasing amount of meatheads. The sort of meatheads that do a shitload of drugs, point out the ‘amazing mathematical patterns and intricacies of Danny Carey’s drumming’ and spout the typical pseudo-scientific/mathematical non-sequitirs to explicate their point… when they probably failed every maths subject they did at high school. Shucks. [crazy]
I was told before that Patton once pissed into a crowd from the stage. Actually it was my ex who told me this and she also said she would have brought a bottle to catch some of Patton’s urine…
You think that’s bad? Try meeting him (which was nice since I’ve dug FNM since I was 9), speaking broken Italian with him and gettin on like a house on fire when the chick you’re with at the time decides to tell him that she masturbated over him every day.
Quote Patton: ‘Mi dispiace, molto embarassante’. Then he toddled off back to the bar. I could have kicked her in the vagina until it bled again. DUMPED. [mad]
Trust me, Patton is a nice guy (honest as well… told me a couple of things I didn’t expect to hear) and perfectly approachable insofar as you aren’t a drooling fanboy. And my ex behaved as such. It was perfectly reasonable for him to leave the situation.
I got a good memory from he tool show I saw w/fantomas opening… maynard goes and i’m not quoting this perfectly, to the effect “repeat after me… think for yourself… be original… think for yourself… be original… I’m not going to go saying any stupid thing some dumb motherfucker tells me to do at a concert”
Aww, c’mon Porkspam… I think that’s quite funny. Think about it for a minute. [laugh]
Well what about the idea of me getting fucked in the ass by Ronald McDonald in front of a busload of obese schoolchildren?
But this is even funnier… [:)]
I’ve seen them twice, in '02 + '06. The first show was the best, mainly because they opened with ‘Flood’
I saw that ‘Flood’ concert as well Mick… fucking setlist, all of Lateralus, bar TicksnLeeches, Flood, 4 Degrees, Aenima, Stinkfist, -ve ions segue, yup… ME RIKEY!
If you’re into prog rock, listen to King Crimson. Their sound has evolved so much over the last few decades, they do it all, hard rock, classical, funk, a little blues, new wave, electronic, and so on. Almost every song they do is in some odd time signature. They even opened up for Tool in 2001.
King Crimson is great, but I find only their first album to be consistently good. All of their albums have some kind of self-indulgent filler or something I dislike about them… don’t get me wrong, RED was a great album, but the vocals… Wetton was GAWWWWD awful. Seriously, he ruined ‘Fallen Angel’, which is a beautiful song nonetheless.
But I find King Crimson… for every ‘Elephant Talk’, there’s a ‘Happy Family’… some of it is unbearably bad, but some of it is great. When it’s great, nothing compares.
King Crimson live is even better. When they did the ‘double power trio’ with Bruford and Mastelotto, they were fucking killer. That live video was fucking amazing.
July 18 - Commerce City, CO - Mile High Festival
July 19 - Salt Lake City, UT - Energy Solutions Arena
July 21 - Phoenix, AZ - US Airways Center
July 22 - Rio Rancho, NM - Santa Ana Star Center
July 24 - San Antonio, TX - AT&T Center
July 25 - Dallas, TX - Nokia Theatre at Grand Prairie
July 27 - Duluth, GA - Gwinnett Arena
July 29 - Charlotte, NC - Bojangles Coliseum
July 30 - Fairfax, VA - Patriot Center
Aug 1 - Jersey City, NJ - All Points West Festival
Aug 2- Manchester, NH - Verizon Wireless Amphitheater
Aug 4 - Kingston, ON - K Rock Center
Aug 5 - Toronto, ON - Molson Amphitheater
Aug 7 - Cincinnati, OH - PNC Pavilion
Aug 8 - Chicago, IL - Lollapalooza
Aug 22 - Pomona, CA - Epicenter Festival @ Fairplex
Reviews are in for the first two shows…and they are not good. So far the set lists have been identical to the 10k Days Tour minus a couple. Wtf is wrong with Tool? Is it pure laziness? I’ll give a review of the show on Sat. in Grand Prarie when I get back this next week. If Tool mails in the same performance, I might think of throwing coins at those pricks.
i saw tool once long ago and it was awesome. i saw them about on the 10k days tour and it was shite. they left the stage for like 20 minutes and had a laser show. what the fuck.
I’m into King Crimson. I agree their first album is really strong and the other seem to explore musicality on a level that is self-indulgent and sacrifices good songwriting and overall album cohesion.
I owned ‘The Power to Believe’ very briefly and loved it! It was basically Industrial Prog Metal with someone who could actually sing doing vocals. But somehow it disappeared from my CD collection very quickly. I will have to pick that one up again…
OH i found it hilarious when maynard did that, dildo.
also i’ve met patton too. Hell of a wonderfully nice guy. I really don’t know how he got such a bad rep as being a jerk.
King Crimson is great, but I find only their first album to be consistently good. All of their albums have some kind of self-indulgent filler or something I dislike about them… don’t get me wrong, RED was a great album, but the vocals… Wetton was GAWWWWD awful. Seriously, he ruined ‘Fallen Angel’, which is a beautiful song nonetheless.
But I find King Crimson… for every ‘Elephant Talk’, there’s a ‘Happy Family’… some of it is unbearably bad, but some of it is great. When it’s great, nothing compares.
King Crimson live is even better. When they did the ‘double power trio’ with Bruford and Mastelotto, they were fucking killer. That live video was fucking amazing.
You’re right about Crimson being self-indulgent. Wetton’s vocals don’t really bother me as much as some of the other singers from previous lineups. Greg lake and Adrian Belew’s vocals are the best, but Boz Burrel and Gordon Haskell really make me queezy. Yes, “Happy Family” and the rest of that album is horrible. That was during that weird period when Fripp was trying to hold it all together. The only thing I really liked from “Islands” was Fripp’s banjo style guitar solo.
I guess when it comes to playing prog rock, you’re bound to make a lot of great songs as well as making a lot of mistakes. But their successes really make up for the other stuff.
The albums I like the best are:
In the Court of the Crimson King
Larks’ Tongues in Aspic
Red
Discipline
The Power to Believe
“Fracture” is also great. Fuckin spider-fingers!!
as well as the “Eyes Wide Open” DVD and “Deja Vroom.”
I got a good memory from he tool show I saw w/fantomas opening… maynard goes and i’m not quoting this perfectly, to the effect “repeat after me… think for yourself… be original… think for yourself… be original… I’m not going to go saying any stupid thing some dumb motherfucker tells me to do at a concert”
I remember that back in Boise, during the Lateralus tour. Quite a fond memory. Maynard telling the “Toolheads” to “Think for yourself and question authority” as they eat it up makes me chuckle.
I think Tool’s alright, though. Danny Carey is a kickass drummer and Maynard’s vocals have progressed over the years but I really feel that they’re just fucking with a lot of their fans and they take it so seriously.
In regards to King Crimson, more or less everything up until Red is essential. After that it’s a bit spotty. I also like Fripp’s solo albums alot.
I know a guy who has over 40 King Crimson LPs and has the Lark’s Tongues artwork tattooed on his arm.
I use to love Tool then they became a hippie jam band. Catgoat and I caught them with Tomahawk back in the early 2000s and the show kicked ass. It was a great show except like Porkspam said earlier in the thread, Maynard did this chant thing “think for yourself, be original” then they started playing music again. After such a good gig I was sorely disappointed with this last show. The vocals were really low and in the middle of the set it became instrumental, with one instrument playing at a time while band members rotated time off stage, this was a half an hour of the less then two hour show. One of the most boring shows I have ever seen.
In regards to King Crimson, more or less everything up until Red is essential. After that it’s a bit spotty. I also like Fripp’s solo albums alot.
I know a guy who has over 40 King Crimson LPs and has the Lark’s Tongues artwork tattooed on his arm.
I totally disagree… there was a lot of garbage released up until Red, and I really dug all three albums the post-Red quartet did, particularly Beat and Discipline… they were killer albums… even the Construktion of Light, or whatever the fuck it was called, and Thrak had some great tracks as well… but, like most King Crimson albums, were pretty inconsistent affairs.
hey i didn’t mind the think for yourself chant… it was funny… and honestly tool may not be as much of a jump around and move show as it used to be, and that’s fine, i dig sitting down for a show every once and a while and enjoying the light show, theatrics, etc…
I saw tool a few years back on 10,000 days tour, and after hearing about the lateralus shows, was slightly dissapointed in the set time (about 1 hour), and they played nothing pre-Aenima. Swamp Song was on the set list, but where it was supposed to be, the band huddled around the back of the stage for a few mins, then came back and went on with next song, damn.
Also they played a festival show the night before who got The Pot and Sober… we didn’t, we got Aenema and Jambi and Rosetta Stoned, Stinkfist… eh I cant remember the rest right now - about8-10 songs, but despite being dissapointed with the length this show was still great, the visual backdrops were always running with something interesting (or amusing), I thought the light show was awesome too… I cant remember the song - but it’s on 10K Days starts with a sound like a storm coming… anyway point being the show was at a huge outdoor venue, at night with storm clouds in the sky, that song gave me a chill at the time and just suited the time really well.
Some dickhead climbed onto the roof of the venue during said song however so lots of jeering going on during rock band “quiet time” song [laugh]
Actually come to think of it I have a bootleg of that show and it’s on two discs, so it must have been >80 mins… hmm… not so bad come to think of it, time just went quickly at the show I guess.
Tool brought out almost an identical show and setlist as the 10k Days tour. Kind of weak for a hundred dollars.
Tool brought out almost an identical show and setlist as the 10k Days tour. Kind of weak for a hundred dollars.
did they at least put on a good show otherwise? It’s a little stale that they’re playing a two year old setlist, but if the show’s good, it couldn’t be too bad. Although the lack of Undertow material is a bit saddening.
Us Tool fans (I’m a huge one) are probably the most patient breed of fan on the planet. Two albums in twelve years and who knows how long before the next one comes out.
Actually, that is a good question - has anyone heard any news re. their next album? It’s been nearly 3.5 years so a new one can’t be THAT far off.
did they at least put on a good show otherwise? It’s a little stale that they’re playing a two year old setlist, but if the show’s good, it couldn’t be too bad. Although the lack of Undertow material is a bit saddening.
I guess so. 2 guys out of our group had never seen Tool and were just blown away. Another 2 guys had both seen Tool twice (both on 10k Days Tour) and were still quite impressed with the show. But my brother in law and a good buddy are complete Tool freaks and dragged me to every date on the 10k Days Tour w/in driving distance. So this was our 5th show exactly the same. The 2 die hards were the most disappointed. They were hoping for some rarer or older stuff. I was too.
Also the venue was really hot, someone puked near us and we could smell the disgusting odor the whole time. But the worst part was that the concessions closed at 10fuckingPM. I got a beer and a water before the show started, then later ran to the concessions during Rosetta Stoned to get a whiskey and everything was closed down. They wouldn’t even sell me a Coke.
Actually, that is a good question - has anyone heard any news re. their next album? It’s been nearly 3.5 years so a new one can’t be THAT far off.
I know I’m in the minority, but I’d be perfectly happy if Maynard did nothing but Puscifer from now on.
I saw them in Lateralus tour and was probably the best show I ever saw. They played almost all the songs from Lateralus which is my favorite album, and they did it perfectly. The sound, the show and the atmosphere were perfect. I have the bootleg from that show and it’s easy to understand that those guys are really great musicians.
Then I saw two shows from 10000 days tour and they had almost the same set list for both shows, besides that the sound wasn’t as good as the one from lateralus tour.
Never seen Tool live. But i’ve heard and read that the lateralus tours were easily the best; visuals and mixed up setlists.