Throbbing Gristle ?

just for the sake of this thread, let’s call the music ministry make (after twitch) industrial metal.
That is what people call it, some agree some, disagree.
ok.
So, Ministry got called “the goodfathers of industrial metal”
fair anough as far as my knowledge reach…

then people went “bah… Throbbing Gristle did that years before Ministry”

ok, I have not heard them… but if people say they did “industrial metal” before Ministr… I’d like to hear them.

I have got my hands of 2 songs… o_O
Industrial metal?!? they sound like kraftwerk… erasure… synthpop…[:P]

did I get unlucky and get 2 “bad” songs?
I got Hot on the heels of love and United.

So… I would like to get answered this.

  1. Do Throbbing Gristle have “industrial metal” songs? (as in ministry’s music after twitch)
    if not
  2. Did ministry in fact break new ground?
    if not
  3. Who did this kind of music before Ministry?

thank you for your time!

  1. Not really. They didn’t have a lot of guitar in their music, so they wouldn’t really be what you’d call “industrial metal”. You scored a couple of their most accessibleand poppiest songs. If you’re looking for a btter taste of TG, go for some of the live stuff. I like Mission Of Dead Souls a lot. You could also grab the Greastest Hits album.

thanks bisquitodoom…

will keep looking for some TG songs then…
finding good new music i’ve never heard before makes me glad :slight_smile:

Throbbing Gristle is the first Industrial band. Monte Cassazo (ap?) coined the term Industrial and their label Industrial Records was home to some of the best groups in that early period.

That was in the late seventies, and a lot has happened since. The “Industrial” scene has diverged into a more aggressive, distorted version of trance known as EBM and popularized by Front 242 on one side, and a heavy metal with programming and distorted vocals approach known as Industrial Metal on the other side.

There are bands who continue to make true industrial music, which I define as “Experimental electronic music with a rock aesthetic and an emphasis on sound design over melody”, but they are usually categorized as Noise for some stupid reason.

Some good examples of this are Wolf Eyes, Nautical Almanac and The Sightings.

Like someone else said, Throbbing Gristle were before Industrial Metal and while they did use guitars, they did not do so in the traditional sense (as in playing chords etc.) but more as a tool for sound generation.

Ministry were among a handful of acts to really nail down the Industrial Metal sound, but it’s hard to say that they are the first.

Godflesh is arguably the true originator of the Industrial Metal sound. You’ve gotta check these guys out if you want to hear the really primitive beginnings of the genre. (Check out their first EP, ‘Streetcleaner’ to hear what I’m talking about…simply brutal.)

Another early Industrial Metal group was Big Black, Steve Albini’s band (the guy who produced Nirvana’s ‘In Utero’ among other things). I would recommend ‘The Rich Man’s Eight Track Tape’ album for a good overview of their career.

Another candidate is Mortiis, who supposedly used drum machines at ultra fast tempos with guitar even before ‘The Land of Rape and Honey’ came out. Haven’t heard much of his early stuff though, only heard a more recent CD which totally sucked ass.

Another guy to check out is Foetus aka JG Thirwell. He was one of the earlier Industrial Metal pioneers as well.

Personally, I think Laibach, an early Yugoslavian industrial group, was the first to conceive Industrial Metal. They used a lot of orchestra sampling to create bombastic industrial rock compositions, captured on some of the earlier released around '83 and '84. (Check out ‘Rekapitulacija’, which captures their material from 1980 - 84 or the live CD of the Occupied Europe tour to see what I’m talking about.)
Their influence can blatantly be heard in bands like Rammstein and Hanzel und Gretel, which are basically huge ripoffs of Laibach. I would avoid their later material though, because after the first singer killed himself, some dorky Slavic Frank Zappa-looking dude took over with this ultra cheesy voice and it just sounds like shit to me.

Another candidate is Mortiis, who supposedly used drum machines at ultra fast tempos with guitar even before ‘The Land of Rape and Honey’ came out. Haven’t heard much of his early stuff though, only heard a more recent CD which totally sucked ass.

mortiis? that “troll looking” dude? his first release was in 1993! and in 1993 he was what, 18 year old bass player for emperor.

Die Krupps is another early pioneer of “industrial metal.”

And they did the bonafide “banging on sheet metal” thing beforehand, which gives them a shred more credibility.

  1. No they dont. THey pioneered industrial music but not industrial metal. Industrial music isnt a form of rock music while Industrial Metal usually is.

  2. Yes and no. I’d say that their influence is a bit overstated. Foetus and KMFDM used metallic guitars before Ministry did and lets not forget that LORAH/Mind era Ministry really owes more to Killing Joke and Big Black than to metal. I’d say they made post-punk sound more industrial. I feel that the first album of theirs that can be called ‘Industrial Metal’ is Psalm69.

  3. Foetus, KMFDM, Laibach, Head Of David, Godflesh. I think all of these bands should be seen as being just as influential for the Industrial Metal sound as Ministry is…

Thank you all for your answers.
I feel like I now have a little more “flesh on the bones” when it comes to knowlegde of where … this kind of music comes from

Thanks

i heard a live album and the greatest hits of throbbing gristle, all i can say is they are shite, ‘united’ is the most annoying song in the history of music and genesis p orridge is a fuckin poof bastard.