I hate being interrupted/talked over and am super conscientious about not interrupting anyone else. IMO, It’s very disrespectful when I went out of my way to be there for them and their classmates.
I saw far too many people stop for a semester and never come back. From a long-term standpoint, there are just too many good jobs that use a degree as a screener for you to just let it go.
THIS^
For damn sure!! You’re only getting older dude!!
You think it’s hard now, try going back when you’re 45 and all of those fresh outta high school kids got there shit 20 years prior!!
I certainly understand the age difference thing,
You guys are nuts!! you need to play that age difference up. You get to play the part of the wise old sage!!
It’s all how you look at it, and really You’re not that much older than those just out of high school… (25 or so right?) I know it feels like you’re the old man But really you’re not. You’ll know what I mean when you’re 35, but 'til then you gotta trust me!!
You can be Wooderson From Dazed and Confused but a little more cooler and legal n’ shit!!
Draw the line at going to high school parties, obviously, but other than that, create your own brand of cool that you can sell to these little impressionable youth. It’s not hard.
Network Network Network… All of those kids will have parents and friends of their parents who work. If you can turn yourself into their kids’ best friend you’ve got so many ins to get jobs… cause lets face it, meritocracy is dead, it’s who you know!!!
“Hey, mom, my best friend from college needs a job… hook him up mom!!”
Done and Done!
Also, I don’t know if you’ve checked but most schools have a job board where there’s a bunch of community type stuff (yard work, moving jobs, babysitting, whatever).
Totally right!! ALSO, Most colleges have a career center, they will help you get a resume together and work with placing in you in intern type jobs, depending on what you want to do and your course of study. they also have leads on part time work as well as jobs around school you can apply for.
and it’s all free as long as you’re a student (Dammit there’s always a catch!!!)
As far as non college job routs you’re pretty limited BUT you have a talent…
…Those of us who have seen your work know you’re a bad ass artist… Thing is, is I don’t know how long it takes you to draw or if you do various styles,… because one thing you could do is become a street artist.
hang out on the street with pictures you’ve already drawn, (silly beach scenes, unicorns for the girls and gays, and what not) for sale, while drawing a new pictures, so the peeps can watch you work… All the while advertising yourself as a “starving college student”, tourists love contributing to that shit. Also, if you’re kinda quick at drawing you could do caricatures for people. With talent like yours, you’ve got opportunity!! and this street route would be all tax free!!!
college is excruciating.
Oh come on, It’s not that bad! It CAN’T be that bad, I mean, I made it through!!
Icepick,
Bisquito’s right, employers will use a degree to screen out potential employees so you need to keep yourself in the game!!!
It’s rough out there right now and I don’t envy your position but you will be alright!!
Late,
grmpysmrf
Woulda posted this sooner but I had Husband/father duties!! Priorities homies!!
I didn’t really think about it until now, but after 'Pick mentioned the shrinkage of odd jobs I realized that there would obviously be less of those opportunities in this economy . . .
People are becoming more protective or conservative with their “disposable income” (and there’s less of it) so middle class yobs are more likely to mow their own lawn or fix a leaky toilet themselves then farm it out.
And with more people looking to pick up anything to get a few bucks there may actually be competition for those gigs.
Still scour those sources completely, though. I’m just saying that I realize it may not be the all-you-can-eat work buffet that it was for me when I was in college.
Also, 'Pick, piggybacking on Smurf’s good ideas, put up some ads on the bulletin boards or something and make yourself known in the music scene on campus. There’s gotta be a bunch of wannabe rockstars who would love to have you lend your hand in making some kickass gig flyers or cover art for their CD’s/ demos.
Cheers, Bro! If I roll through your way drinks are on me.
Ice, times are shit for a lot of good people right now so know you’re not on your lonesome. I’d rather be doing different things to what I’m doing now in different places but it’s not rolling around too easy. Best thing to do is to keep eyes roving at all times and if you have down time use that sunovabitch for your art (which was cool as ass last time I saw it) or whatever tweaks your abilities. At our age (and with not much diverse work available) we’re looking at ups and downs for these coming years. If that happens it’s no apocalypse but fuck that if I’m just going to accept it. Don’t quit the college thing if it’s feasible to continue, you won’t regret that. It might be annoying with younger people in class but that can work to your advantage with the hotties. Speaking of hotties, here’s two for the road, dude:
Didn’t get to read everyone’s posts… flat chat atm, and only got to skim thru them, so sorry if I’m regurgitating anything here… anyway…
I don’t think dropping out was an idiot move.
To me… I think your heart’s screaming at you to pursue your art.
Do it.
Full time. 100%. Do it to the point where you’re painting like a compulsive monkey and able to get by on 4 hours sleep a night, because you’re enjoying what you do and it’s never tiring.
Get work with your art. Make your life revolve around it. There are ways.
You know it deep down. If that means leaving your city and leaving your family behind, then do so.
And about your family…
…sorry to be a selfish cunt, but you don’t owe it to them to do something about their financial state. I don’t know the specifics, but before you even consider ways of helping them, you need to sort yourself out. Reevaluate what it is you actually are passionate about. I think that one’s a given. Go into it with a clear frame of mind. You’ll be confident about any work you do on the side if you have that outlet which pretty much defines you as a person and the way your lifestyle reflects you.
Only then will you be of any real help to your family. And even then, look after yourself for a bit. They’ve got their dramas. They’ve been around a lot longer. They’ll sort themselves out. You need to focus on yourself for a bit before you can play the role in their lives as you’d actually hope to.
I’ll give you an example. I fucked myself up this year. Too much study, too much work, worrying about too many people, putting too many people before myself. I lost my shit halfway thru the year.
So, I quit my jobs. I’m broke. I dropped out of my computer programming course. I can’t do post-grad study.
Do I give a fuck? No. I’m happy. I know what I want to do. It will revolve around music. I’ve got two degrees pretty much waiting to be finished, anyway. There’s no rush. The hard yards have been done and I’ve learnt enough to be able to sit back and look after myself for a while.
Do the same for yourself. Think about ways to actually be at a place in 20 years time where you’re not hating your job and wishing you did more with something you actually gave a fuck about. College isn’t necessarily a path to that. Granted, it opens up your options, but if you’ve gotta work a little harder doing what you love, it’s nowhere near as bad as coasting by on something you actually hate.
hey man, sorry to hear about this…this forum is EXCELLENT for people helping/listening,trust me from experience on that.
I can’t seem to gather much of a long response,but as others have said, you are NOT alone. I’m right there with you. I’m now out of work myself,can’t seem to find any (been applying like heck) and just today,had to take out a large amount of money (money I shouldn’t have really touched) just to pay bills and to just live for the next couple of months. it kills me and bums me out.
it feels like my college degree is worthless,and now it’s not even something I want to pursue. so, puruse and do what makes you HAPPY man…there’s always someone out there who wants what you do… all we can do is be strong. we live in a really interesting time in this country,in this world, and we will rise from the ashes.
Ice - I must have missed it at some point, but what sort of art do you do?
Ice - I must have missed it at some point, but what sort of art do you do?
He had pictures linked to his Myspace account but His myspace has been deleted, so no dice. he did a really sweet portrait of Barker. the thread was called “this is how much I love this man” or something like that.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Ice - I must have missed it at some point, but what sort of art do you do?
Gay porn and unicorns.
UNIPORN FTW!!!
That would be porn difference
Okay. One at a time, here. You guys are in epic form.
mick: Those broads need a cheeseburger, but I’ll take what I can get.
[laugh]
But on that note, I fuckin’ hate college chicks. The only ones I’ve ever REALLY dug on have been a good ten years older than me, and that pretty much crosses over into cougar territory. Plus, there is a REALLY fine line of being “wise old sage” status and “what the fuck is that old guy DOING here retaking the same bullshit 151 class” status. Hate it.
But, yeah. Lesson learned. Goin’ back next semester and getting shit done.
Smrf: Meritocracy doesn’t mean shit, I agree. I’ve known this since grade school. You either get in good by either knowing people or having the right family, or you get EXTREMELY fortunate on in random moment for a random thing. Workin’ on it, boss.
Gunnar: You have no idea how tempting it is to make money off of polluting the city with shitty album/t-shirt designs and fucking TERRIBLE tattoos.
That last statement was rather bitter and a little sarcastic, but that’s literally what everyone wants me and every other artist in town to do with my/our life(s) and I fucking hate it. I do sell pieces on occasion, but I don’t think I can realistically make a living on it. In fact, I know I can’t.
And another kick in the balls: Haven’t been able to snag any supplies in like two months. I’m about tapped out. First paycheck, I’m straight-up blowing it on tools and materials.
Dildo: You’ve no idea how badly I’d like to do this, but I’d really dig a bit more formal schooling before I do that. Nothing inspires creativity and evolution in technique better than someone telling you that you suck and then SHOWING you how you suck.
That said, I do commend you on doing what you’re doing. Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t you working with like, thermal detonators or large hadron colliders or something? And givin’ that up for tunes? HELL yes. Thing is, you kick ass, and I’m not there yet. [:P]
I know my art isn’t going to support me, and my pops is pretty much content with whatever I do as long as it’s not, well… NOTHING. It isn’t so much pressure from the family as it is simply my own self telling me I gotta step it UP. We are, though, BARELY getting by (lost of bullshit with medical and his ex-wife). I’d like to make that “barely” into a “manageably.”
soul driver: We in this noise together. SLAY IT. Respect.
Bisquitodoom: Let me get an SD soon and I’ll SHOW ya.
[sly]
I love to paint. I like charcoals. I like oil pastels. I like graphite, inks, aerosols, hammers, butane torches, metals, wood… fuck it. I do it all.
I used to have this method behind what I do, but as I got older, I decided to spare the melodrama, go on autopilot and just RAGE. People dig it, and I dig that people dig it. Ever since I went psycho after high school, my stuff has gotten more and more primitive, and since things in my head won’t shut up and leave me alone, dreams and reality tend to blur together way too much and as a result, I can actually paint what I see and feel.
I just rage what’s in my brain, boss.
I also like drawing porn. [laugh]
Seriously, though. Lemme get my nonsense together this week and I’ll host 'em somewhere. Kinda like a “Hey, Prongs, Look at Me” thread. Like this one, except without me bitching about things that suck.
Gerda: Just throwin’ this out there to solidify my thanks: regardless of a little excess noise, I really do appreciate the kind words. Yer a stand-up lady.
I do sell pieces on occasion, but I don’t think I can realistically make a living on it. In fact, I know I can’t.
I found myself at the same place with art when I was 16.
I became an engineer. The spacial aptitude comes in very handy.
I didn’t know you were an artist, Moon. What kind of stuff do you do? Any images you can post?
I didn’t know you were an artist, Moon. What kind of stuff do you do? Any images you can post?
Almost all my stuff is at my parent’s house.
If I can see it, I can copy it freehand: cars, animals, trees, buildings, fruit baskets, logos, etc. I’m not creative like icepick is.
I like to work in India ink with a set of drawing pen tips (completely unforgiving of mistakes), color pencils, scratch board, copper plates, silk screen, acrylic, water colors, and oil paint.
I also used to paint the outlines, eyes, and the stuff that other people couldn’t paint (e.g. fire) for stage props.
Those banners that girls like to bring to concerts, I used to letter and paint those too. [:P]
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do whatever makes you happy!
maybe you should move to canada? we got a shit load of social assistance here…i’m actually applying for a program that pays for my school, books, rent AND gives me a little pocket money…all without having to pay a penny back!
Canada is right out. Anything colder than like 85 degrees is right out.
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hey icepick. thanks for calling me a lady.(i guess)i don’t like labels so i abuse them constantly. “dumbass” comes to mind for the smallish minded sorts around here.there are a few of those rather small minds… not many. i wish you well. peace. and i WILL send you something. if your first name is miguel.