No,don’t stop now…I’m not done masturbating yet…
[cool] hehehe
I love this place.
It’s Al’s fault. Not only is he responsible for hideous records over the last 10yrs but he is also responsible for us.
MINISTRY SUCK!!!
I love this place.
[laugh]
Seriously cool discussion here.
Gunnar kinda nailed it with the explanation of the axes/axi/axises/??? there. The “top tier” to “low tier” axis was my subjective ranking based upon how much I actually like the record and what good or bad places it might take me to in my head; I guess “emotional impact” would be a good phrase there, but not quite, hahah. That’s why Dark Side is at the very top for me, especially the last couple months or so considered, while the majority of the Bush Trilogy and the new one are farther towards the bottom.
The “well-rounded” to “has faults” axis is much more objective and has to do with how well the record works as an album. The ones I happen to like the most, such as DSOTS and Animositisomina, either have no standout singles, weird mastering decisions, some weird “filler” tracks here and there, or are very all over the place in terms of mood, style, and direction. Psalm, while not my favorite disc by a long shot, is probably the best all-around disc in my opinion because it has excellent production, a consistent sound throughout, and while it may not have the most original and innovative stuff around, is a great album front to back and I rarely ever hit the skip button while playing it.
This results in weird placements, like Mind (the good tracks are good, the bad ones bring them down, and the ones that aren’t are kinda WTF), Houses (better than most give it credit for, and aside from that shitty “buncha silent tracks and a couple pointless hidden ones to make 69” thing, a GREAT album front to back) and DSOTS (by no means a perfect disc, and pretty much everything I like about it, like Ty Coon <3 and the sheer “fuck it” of the entire thing, kind of makes it a lot less cohesive and focused than almost everything else in the catalogue).
Honestly, the toughest album to tier was probably Twitch. I had to consider both versions of the album (the Sire/WB one minus the Over the Shoulder single AND the alleged “original vision” found on the Twitched bootleg), and even then it was damned tempting not to just shove it at the very top of the upper-right quad and be done with it.
Nothing exists at the very bottom of the lower-left or lower-right quads because an album that’s complete trash both objectively and subjectively hasn’t been made yet (Mikey kinda SLAYED it on what I’ve heard from Relapse, not gonna lie, and VIDEO GAAAAAME is a great song), and an album that sucks dick through and through but is so well-produced and consistently solid front to back is some kind of weird, implausible anomaly. And nothing exists at the very top of the upper-right quad because Ministry didn’t make the Best Goddamned Album Ever.
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Thanks for all the feedback, guys!
Sorry for the double-post, but this warrants its own reply:
I found this cover of that track [Vex and Siolence] on Youtube, quite interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1lZRUwI3E
This might be the only time in recorded history I will ever say this, but this actually beats the hell out of the original, and the original is one of my favorite Ministry songs. Thanks for posting the link!
I agree with most of what you’d said, Ice. But I see DSOTS and Filth Pig as the most consistent in terms of mood and content. I also don’t really think either has any filler tracks. I’ll have to give them both a listen again all the way through sometime soon. I suppose “Brick Windows” throws things off and maybe even “Lay Lady Lay” too.
Although it’s definitely not my favorite Psalm 69 would be the most solid of them all if it ended with the title track.
Mind… often feels like the weakest and most inconsistent. I could never really get into it aside from a few songs. When it’s good it’s really fucking good but when it’s bad it’s horrible.
Ministry fucking suck, I hate Bill Rieflin so much
I wish Paul Barker’s grandparents were destroyed before they met and I wish Al Jourgensen’s father was gay.
And why are we always talking about Ministry? This is a Prong forum. The only good thing about Ministry was Tommy Victor and that bass guy.
[reply][reply]I wanted to make sure you understood at least one word.
Haha, what? Yeah, that was not your intent. You were trying to be witty and wound up sounding like a moron. “CUNTinue”? Really, dude? Give it up already.[/reply]
now you’ve written it twice. you jealous you didn’t think of it? or just happy you knew the word?
You are not funny. You are not clever. You are not the spokesperson for people on here. You are not doing this to “protect” them or whatever self-indulgent, internet crusader bullshit you’ve convinced yourself is the reason for your obsessive behavior. You are doing this because it’s what you do and it’s what you have always done on here. You are insecure and this is the one place where you think you can get away with it.
Tell me more, doc.
If anyone disagrees with you or hurts your little feelings you attack continuously like an upset ex-girlfriend.
like you know what an ex girlfriend acts like, or even a girlfriend for that matter. Good lord, keep it in the confines of believability at least.
Don’t get me wrong, at least one of those people deserved it.
you mean you?
But damn, get a hobby. Lighten up.
This is my hobby. I am light. you think I think twice about any of this? I could do this forever. It’s fun.
You are not smart enough to be this devoted to insulting and engaging people.
Is this your professional opinion? Tell me how smart I really am, professor?
[reply]You late to party or what? have you been reading the crap you’ve been posting?
Do you have an actual retort or are you under the assumption that posting crap like this is a relevant response to what was said?[/reply]
How do you even speak, let alone type when your train of thought never leaves the station?
You might as well just start replying, “I know you are but what am I?”
would that be a little easier for you to understand?
and save myself and anyone else unfortunate enough to have to read through your gibberish the trouble.
save yourself, save us all and just skip over my posts.
you can’t do it, cause you’re weak.
[reply]
Right, so just stop already.
Late,
grmpysmrf
HAHA! No. That’s not how this is going to work. You aren’t going to get the last word.
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HAHAHAHAHA, you think I’m your dad or something? you gonna get the last word over your old man through me? stay strong, tiger.
I know you like to throw tantrums on here and act like a fucking toddler
It would seem I’m not the only one, you stalker.
but I’m not going to be one of those people who just stops because you won’t stop throwing your fits and bleeding them into other threads.
yeah stop the cycle, you don’t have to be a victim anymore. Stay strong, other wise I’ll be disappointed
Sorry.
you sure are.
But by all means, keep derailing threads on this forum you’re supposedly protecting from me. You are delusional.
I don’t need your permission, I’m not protecting anybody, I’m just having fun at your expense because of your retarded entrance into this place.
Then by all means skip over it. nobody is forcing you to read. Yeah, I’m a little territorial when somebody new shows up and starts talking shit to the forum members.
Late,
grmpymrf
Fucking hell, you are not Batman, dude.
and? talk about a nonsensical response.
Grow the fuck up.
says the guy who wants the last word. [rolleyes]
You are like the only person I’m having an issue with and over half of it is you now.
you’re new here, you should have no problems with anyone. fucked that up though didn’t ya?
I can admit when I’m provoking but you just don’t know when to shut up
hahahaha, again says the new guy who wants the last word.
and I don’t understand why
That’s cause you’re stupid.
because you’ve made it perfectly clear that you have nothing to say in response to me.
that you can understand. I thought yo were smarter than me. I mean that’s what you wrote right? So, how come you’re not?
Late,
grmpysmrf[/reply]
You know
Don’t assume what I know and what I don’t know! You got a lot of nerve acting as the mouthpiece of the board! You do know that everyone hates you, right?
it’s go time
Says who? Where are we going? And who is keeping this watch or clock keeping track of the time? No answer, huh? Why don’t you go bully someone else?
when grumpy starts
Starts? That’s just stupid. He’s been doing this for 6 years. Are you some kind of NOOB or something? I bet you’re a virgin!
quoting every sentence.
He didn’t quote every sentence. I counted like 2 or 3 over the weekend that he did NOT quote. So it obviously wasn’t every sentence if there were some that he didn’t quote. Do you understand? Do I make myself clear? Maybe you need to go back to school!
And by “go time” I don’t really mean anything.
So you admit your posts don’t mean anything! Busted! You totally just proved that this post you made did not make sense. I just got a billion points and you lost 237.
Don’t assume what I know and what I don’t know! You got a lot of nerve acting as the mouthpiece of the board! You do know that everyone hates you, right?
You know what happens when you assume? You take for granted or without proof. Oh, I bet you don’t believe me. Well, check out this link for proof, brah: [url “http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assume”]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assume
Yeah, I think I just earned some points on that ultra cut-low. How do you even type?
Says who? Where are we going? And who is keeping this watch or clock keeping track of the time? No answer, huh? Why don’t you go bully someone else?
Says who? HAHA! What do you think I’m your dad? I’m protecting this forum. Give me all of your hate so that others on here don’t have to deal with you. Ya little bitch.
Does anyone have a cross and some nails? Crown of thorns? Barbed wire will work too, I guess. Let’s just get this show on the road already. I mean, no hurry though cuz I could do this forever.
Starts? That’s just stupid. He’s been doing this for 6 years. Are you some kind of NOOB or something? I bet you’re a virgin!
HA! Says the new guy. I’ve been doing this for 56 years, ya little bitch. It’s even on my resume that I’ve been Internet Champion* since February of 1957.
Like you know what sex feels like, or even a girlfriend for that matter. Good lord, keep it in the confines of believability at least.
He didn’t quote every sentence. I counted like 2 or 3 over the weekend that he did NOT quote. So it obviously wasn’t every sentence if there were some that he didn’t quote. Do you understand? Do I make myself clear? Maybe you need to go back to school!
HAHAHAHAHA, you think I’m your dad or something? You gonna count, tiger? Only a n00b** would fail to quote every sentence.
So you admit your posts don’t mean anything! Busted! You totally just proved that this post you made did not make sense. I just got a billion points and you lost 237.
That’s cause you’re stupid. I thought yo were smarter than me. So, how come you’re not? This is my hobby. I am light. you think I think twice about any of this? I could do this forever. It’s fun.
Ya little bitch.
Stalker.
New guy.
*It’s even in bold on the resume because any respectable employer knows how important such a title is.
**I used zeros instead of “O’s” because I’m an internet warrior who is fluent in it’s language and have conquered many a forum and many a troll. What have you done with your life? I bet you’ve never even seen b00bs. Ya little bitch.
Sent from my phone using the slide out keyboard.
that would have been awesome… if i hadnt had to sit through a trailer for ‘Grown Ups 2’ first…
i can now safely say, that movie looks horrible.
that would have been awesome… if i hadnt had to sit through a trailer for ‘Grown Ups 2’ first…
i can now safely say, that movie looks horrible.[/reply]
Aw, dammit! Well, it’s not the first time humor has been cockblocked by Adam Sandler.
Can we keep this idiotic bickering nonsense to one thread? I’d like to get back to complaining about everything else.
Which thread would you like it to go to? I’ll make one if you’d like. It’s up to Grumpy though. Since he speaks for you and others on here.
I’d be more than happy to have the stupidity designated to a single thread (honestly). I don’t know if the forum’s spokesperson would be okay with it though and if he’d still continue it in this and other threads.
Pick a thread. Create your own. I don’t care but just antagonize grmps in one location please. It’s like leading the Pooh bear to honey.
Antagonize? I’ve been asking for this to end because it’s like being forced to slowly step on a baby squirrel’s head. I don’t wanna do it but I can’t help it!
You think I enjoy reading those cringe educing posts? Well, I kind of do in the sort of way you laugh at a fat, diabetic person falling down or a child crying. But I’ve been trying to stay on topic in this thread and every other thread.
Just look at our contributions to the board since this all started. He’s spent 90% of his posts here making embarrassing responses towards me. I’m trying, man. Damn it, I am trying.
But if you want me to make a new thread I will. Or should Grumpy be the one to make the decision since he speaks for all of you?
now if you could just learn to wipe your ass…
Late,
grmpysmrf
[reply]Don’t assume what I know and what I don’t know! You got a lot of nerve acting as the mouthpiece of the board! You do know that everyone hates you, right?
You know what happens when you assume? You take for granted or without proof. Oh, I bet you don’t believe me. Well, check out this link for proof, brah: [url “http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assume”]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assume
Yeah, I think I just earned some points on that ultra cut-low. How do you even type?
Says who? Where are we going? And who is keeping this watch or clock keeping track of the time? No answer, huh? Why don’t you go bully someone else?
Says who? HAHA! What do you think I’m your dad? I’m protecting this forum. Give me all of your hate so that others on here don’t have to deal with you. Ya little bitch.
Does anyone have a cross and some nails? Crown of thorns? Barbed wire will work too, I guess. Let’s just get this show on the road already. I mean, no hurry though cuz I could do this forever.
Starts? That’s just stupid. He’s been doing this for 6 years. Are you some kind of NOOB or something? I bet you’re a virgin!
HA! Says the new guy. I’ve been doing this for 56 years, ya little bitch. It’s even on my resume that I’ve been Internet Champion* since February of 1957.
Like you know what sex feels like, or even a girlfriend for that matter. Good lord, keep it in the confines of believability at least.
He didn’t quote every sentence. I counted like 2 or 3 over the weekend that he did NOT quote. So it obviously wasn’t every sentence if there were some that he didn’t quote. Do you understand? Do I make myself clear? Maybe you need to go back to school!
HAHAHAHAHA, you think I’m your dad or something? You gonna count, tiger? Only a n00b** would fail to quote every sentence.
So you admit your posts don’t mean anything! Busted! You totally just proved that this post you made did not make sense. I just got a billion points and you lost 237.
That’s cause you’re stupid. I thought yo were smarter than me. So, how come you’re not? This is my hobby. I am light. you think I think twice about any of this? I could do this forever. It’s fun.
Ya little bitch.
Stalker.
New guy.
*It’s even in bold on the resume because any respectable employer knows how important such a title is.
**I used zeros instead of “O’s” because I’m an internet warrior who is fluent in it’s language and have conquered many a forum and many a troll. What have you done with your life? I bet you’ve never even seen b00bs. Ya little bitch.
Sent from my phone using the slide out keyboard.[/reply]
Awww, what’s the matter? you mad that you fail at the internet too?
Late,
grmpysmrf
[reply]Pick a thread. Create your own. I don’t care but just antagonize grmps in one location please. It’s like leading the Pooh bear to honey.
Antagonize? I’ve been asking for this to end because it’s like being forced to slowly step on a baby squirrel’s head. I don’t wanna do it but I can’t help it![/reply]
oh the cry from the heart of some poor bastard who has lost complete control of themselves to grmpysmrf.
"I…I…I…I…I… I don’t want to but grmpysmrf is making me… "
Never thought you’d come right out and say it. Maybe you didn’t realize you did. callow, dumbass.
You think I enjoy reading those cringe educing posts? Well, I kind of do in the sort of way you laugh at a fat, diabetic person falling down or a child crying. But I’ve been trying to stay on topic in this thread and every other thread.
and boy what an attempt it’s been, you’ve been all over this place waiting for me to show back up. never fear, I can’t completely forget about you, you’re always there with your chin out when ever I log in.
Just look at our contributions to the board since this all started. He’s spent 90% of his posts here making embarrassing responses towards me. I’m trying, man. Damn it, I am trying.
Just keep repeating, “I think I can. I think I can,” little engine. You’ll get to the top. You can do it.
But if you want me to make a new thread I will.
“Yeah Bra’h cause I super agreeable now(unlike when I first showed up here), just look at the other 90% of my posts from now on.”
Or should Grumpy be the one to make the decision since he speaks for all of you?
Damn you sound jelly and desperate. you’ve put in a hell of a performance don’t start crumbling now.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Pick a thread. Create your own. I don’t care but just antagonize grmps in one location please.
Pretty sure it’s been regulated to this thread only, I’ve not spanked this child in any other threads, I’ve totally ignored his, now, super ass kissy posts in other threads.
It’s like leading the Pooh bear to honey.
Shit, even you figured out it’s just a game to me. He’s too new to know this. And seeing how he hasn’t noticed this yet, He’s probably to thick to ever get it.
Late,
grmpysmrf
starts BORING chant
No I talk about you being too new cause you saunter in here like you’re an old hat and start insulting people who have been here for much longer than you. You didn’t start insulting me but I didn’t care for the way you walked on other members of the board. so here we are.
I don’t give a fuck if you’re new or old but being new how about a little respect for the other members of the board… But I digress, Since our tough guy back and forth, I’ve not seen so much shit on someone’s lips since Voids TIKKI TIKKI TIKKI youtube video.
Who says negative reinforcement doesn’t work?
Late,
grmpysmrf