The story on why Jason Newstead left Metallica

I’m somewhat of a purist in that I think there needs to be more than one member of the original known band left to call it GNR, While axl definitely is the voice of GnR I don’t consider the current line up “guns n roses,” never the less the one time I see the new band it was ok… When they finally took the stage. Chinese democracy is ok but certainly doesn’t have a GnR feel to it…

Slash, yeah!! He’s the reason I started playing guitar. What do you think of his bands? Which is your favorite? I think the Snakepit 5:00 Somewhere is my favorite followed closely by the first Solo album. I don’t mind Myles Kennedy as the singer and he’s by far the best of any singers that have consistently recorded with him but I would really like it if he would go back to the multiple guest singers on his solo Albums. I thought all of the guests were great and only a few dud singers. It’s a shame he couldn’t get kid rock (I know, I know) to sign on with him instead of Myles. I think Kid rock’s voice is by far the most suited compliment Slash’s sound.

I was thinking about changing up the Avatar but I hadn’t really thought of what to change it to. Perhaps Slash will make another appearance. [;)]

Ha, i know what you mean, i can understand that. Some of my friends have never accepted anything after Appetite because they think Gn’R sold out and went soft after that! They’re ultra-hardliners. I think i was just so grateful to hear Axl (and i liked his big ballads that lots of people hated on Use Your Illusion I & II) that i loved Chinese Democracy. Both times i’ve seen the new lineup they’ve taken the stage pretty much on time. First time i missed the very start because i thought they’d be on late and hadn’t gone into the arena yet, 2nd time they were about 30 mins late, better than the 2 hours late i expected.

As far as Slash goes, outside Gn’R he’s never matched that quality. I keep listening though. I loved It’s 5 O’Clock Somewhere (Beggars and Hangers On especially), but wasn’t so keen on Snakepit’s 2nd album; i missed someone with the personality and arrogance of Axl, i think. His contributions to Lenny Kravitz’s Mama Said album are great. The solo in Fields of Joy is fucking awe-inspiring, one of his greatest. I wasn’t keen on the first Velvet Revolver album, but then i saw them live and was blown away, as much as i hate Weiland he was great with Gn’R’s remnants. That was an amazing show. I saw a Duff solo show too, was amazing also.

Slash’s solo albums, hmmm, i listened to the first one once and hated it, i just thought he was degrading himself playing with some of those people, but in retrospect some of the songs were ok, some were even good. I haven’t checked out the second one yet though. I did buy the Live In Stoke blu-ray though, which if you haven’t seen it, i can’t recommend it strongly enough. I was going through one of my “Slash is wasting his talents” periods and i thought the show would be crap. I’d just missed Slash playing about 300m from my house - couldn’t get a ticket, sold out fast, i was devastated, haha - and i saw the Live in Stoke show on one of the arts channels here, wow! I expected nothing but was blown away. I ordered the blu ray the same night. It definitely made me think a lot more highly of Myles Kennedy, i think he’s probably the best singer Slash has had for a long time and they should stick together.

I think the problem these days is he doesn’t have people with such strong songwriting skills working with him, as he did in Gn’R, so it feels, to me anyway, like he never really lives up to his full potential. I’ll always be a fan though, the man’s a fucking legend.

[reply][reply]How can you guys not be Melvins fans?

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DUDE!!! Buzzo writes some of THE most greatest gigantic & furious riffs around and Dale Crover is easily in the top 3 best rock/metal drummers around!!! That comment totally puzzles me!!!

I find the most user friendly Melvins album for folk who are metal fans and have never delved into them is Stag. Stag features everything good about Melvins j_cartoon…Maggot is another one you’d dig maybe as it’s total straight ahead metal bad-assery.

My top 10 Melvins albums…

Bootlicker
Stag
Maggot
Honky
Lysol/Melvins
Stoner Witch
Houdini
Bullhead
Ozma/Gluey Porch Treatments
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Cheers for that! I’m grabbing those as i type, will give them a shot. You’re right, i haven’t seen them live, a friend of mine is mad about them (and Big Business) and he said they were fantastic live. I did see Dale Crover though, he was playing with Shrinebuilder, he can wallop those drums alright.

Thanks for the recommendation!

I find the most user friendly Melvins album for folk who are metal fans and have never delved into them is Stag. Stag features everything good about Melvins j_cartoon…Maggot is another one you’d dig maybe as it’s total straight ahead metal bad-assery.

Haha, just listening to Stag, i know the first track, Mastodon covered it. If you haven’t heard it, here it is, live video, fucking great!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXMvX4v9TRc

Listen to Akbar…he is giving you sound advice…

and yes Melvins live is a blistering experience…see them at least once before you die…

[reply]I find the most user friendly Melvins album for folk who are metal fans and have never delved into them is Stag. Stag features everything good about Melvins j_cartoon…Maggot is another one you’d dig maybe as it’s total straight ahead metal bad-assery.

Haha, just listening to Stag, i know the first track, Mastodon covered it. If you haven’t heard it, here it is, live video, fucking great!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXMvX4v9TRc[/reply]

Haha nice one…I’ll check it out after work. I seem to remember folk talking about that being covered on the Melvins forum.

Stag, Stoner Witch and Houdini were their major label releases with Atlantic. Those three albums are their most “straight forward” albums I guess you could say. The tune “Honey Bucket” on Houdini is regarded as their Angel Of Death/Stairway To Heaven haha They basically got that three record deal with Atlantic due to Cobain mentioning he was totally gay for them.

My favourite album Bootlicker is totally stripped back. It’s kind of a bluesy, ghostly sounding pop record with virtually zero crushing metal riffs. Kevin Rutmanis (of Cows fame) on bass is my fav period of Melvins.

Kevin did the trilogy of Maggot, Bootlicker and Crybaby. Crybaby is just a collaboration album with a heap of guests. They cut two songs with Hank Williams III on it which are covers of Hank’s granddaddy. III assumed Melvins would be “rocking” out in the music…what he got was totally solid country that any of the best in that business can produce. Check the tunes below…

Melvins with Hank Williams III “Rambling Man”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oMXbjFZhLc

Melvins with Hank Williams III “Okie From Muskogee”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FXpup-xKq8

My all-time favourite Melvins tune “Let It All Be” from Bootlicker…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beCQfI-DNIo

Looking at my top 10 list I’d have to slightly change it and pop Hostile Ambient Takeover at around 7 or 8 simply due to the tune “The Fool, The Meddling Idiot”. I LOVE what the tune turns into at the end…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P24wyUwvYU

Their collaboration album with Lustmord “Pigs Of The Roman Empire” is awesome too.

Listen to Akbar…he is giving you sound advice…

and yes Melvins live is a blistering experience…see them at least once before you die…

Totally…I live in hope that Gunnar will see them live as I know their live heavy metal power will impress him…also their two drummer combo attack will remind him of a time Ministry kicked ass. They play around LA quite a lot.

Hmm, i listened to Stag. Not my cup of tea at all i’m afraid, but thanks for taking the time to recommend those albums to me. Even their most accessible album is just a bit too odd for me, to be honest. Feel free to stone me for blasphemy, hahaha[:)]

Hmm, i listened to Stag. Not my cup of tea at all i’m afraid, but thanks for taking the time to recommend those albums to me. Even their most accessible album is just a bit too odd for me, to be honest. Feel free to stone me for blasphemy, hahaha[:)]

Haha…actually thinking about it Stag does have some bonkers stuff on it…Skin Horse in particular when Buzzo goes all chipmunk on our ass. Houdini is the most straight forward non bonkers album.

I saw Melvins a few years back and they weren’t that great. They played 2 sets that night. First was Eggnog and Lysol in their entirety, though the songs were mixed up and I couldn’t tell what they were playing for the most part. I was up in the very front, but had to move to the back because the bass was too loud and it drowned out Buzzo’s voice. The second set that night was Houdini and the show got better, but it ranks nowhere near my top 10. Something tells me I should kick myself for not going to the next night; they played Stoner Witch and Bullhead back to back.

Houdini is definitely the most straight forward of the discography…

I caught both residency shows in London last year and I was surprised that the Stoner Witch & Bullhead night was definitely the illest. The night before kicked ass though. However I much prefer normal sets that span the whole discography. Their recent NZ/Australia tour was crushing from what I’ve read and the set list was awesome.

Some of my friends have never accepted anything after Appetite because they think Gn’R sold out and went soft after that! They’re ultra-hardliners.

Can’t be that hard liners otherwise they’d know that the majority of songs on UYI I&II are songs that preceded AFD. A ton of those songs were played live in the club days before the band was even optioned by record labels.

I think i was just so grateful to hear Axl (and i liked his big ballads that lots of people hated on Use Your Illusion I & II)

Really? where I was at everyone loved the big ballads. can’t beat November Rain or estranged. Man, those songs are the juggernauts!!

As far as Slash goes, outside Gn’R he’s never matched that quality.

I wouldn’t say “quality” But I agree with you in that there is certainly a dynamic that is missing which isn’t necessarily Axl. If anything it’s probably Izzy Stradlin. Wish Slash would’ve gone on to collaborate more with Izzy than Duff.

I loved It’s 5 O’Clock Somewhere (Beggars and Hangers On especially), but wasn’t so keen on Snakepit’s 2nd album;

I’m sure. 5:00 was all material created by slash for the follow up to UYI (so the closest thing to guns material since his departure) but was rejected completely by Axl. So, slash left and put it out on his own album. (then Axl, like a greedy and petty ass moron, tried to Sue slash over it once he saw how well it sold-Axl lost.) If you haven’t heard the acoustic version of Neither Can I, with just slash and eric dover when they were doing a promotion tour down in Australia you really should youtube it. It’s fantastic. yeah Snakepit #2 wasn’t that grand (pun intended) the singer was better but still not that great of an effort.

The solo in Fields of Joy is fucking awe-inspiring, one of his greatest.

never heard it it, checking out the song now.

I wasn’t keen on the first Velvet Revolver album, but then i saw them live and was blown away, as much as i hate Weiland he was great with Gn’R’s remnants.

As a slash loyalist it pains me to say I was not keen on Velvet Revolver either. I saw them twice live and yes certainly better as a live act but never really could get all that into it. I only like Weiland in STP. My wife likes him, his solo efforts, STP, VR, but I don’t think he’s all that great and I certainly don’t think his voice goes with Slash’s sound. He should have never left STP, that’s the only place he’s ever really any good IMO.

I saw a Duff solo show too, was amazing also.

I’ve never been a Duff fan, his first solo record was absolute garbage. but I have to say I don’t mind his newer solo efforts. It’s certainly better than his original efforts and I like the punk feel to it.

Slash’s solo albums, hmmm, i listened to the first one once and hated it, i just thought he was degrading himself playing with some of those people, but in retrospect some of the songs were ok, some were even good.

Man, that’s too bad. I really dig it. I think the only songs I don’t “Like” on it are “Ghost” with Ian Astbury and the Ozzy song. every other track is solid as hell. Solo #2 is not nearly as good as Solo #1 but then what the hell? (IMO) with the bar being set so high with the first album it’s damn near impossible to get over on that one. My only real complaint about solo #2 is I wish he would have stayed with the guest singer format. even if he brought back some of the same guest singers that would’ve been fine. While I like myles and he’s a great touring singer I think his sound gets old quick on a full album.

but to his credit some of the songs he sings are phenomenal. If you ever have the opportunity to hear him sing Civil War from the performance at Manchester that shits all over any Axl performance (including the studio version) I’ve ever heard. Yes, I know, that’s a bold statement, but I stand by it.

And his newer song with Slash for Slash’s horror movie is definitely worth the purchase. “Nothing left to fear.” not sure if I like the studio version or the live version on Conan O’brien better. His voice is so haunting and goes so well with Slash’s acoustic

I did buy the Live In Stoke blu-ray though, which if you haven’t seen it, i can’t recommend it strongly enough.

Of course I have it [:)]

I was going through one of my “Slash is wasting his talents” periods and i thought the show would be crap.

Poor you [:)], I’m a “the glass is half full” kinda guy when it comes to slash, even if it’s not stellar at least he gave me something until he puts out something else!

I’d just missed Slash playing about 300m from my house - couldn’t get a ticket, sold out fast, i was devastated, haha - and i saw the Live in Stoke show on one of the arts channels here, wow! I expected nothing but was blown away. I ordered the blu ray the same night. It definitely made me think a lot more highly of Myles Kennedy, i think he’s probably the best singer Slash has had for a long time and they should stick together.

I agree about Myles. easily the strongest singer Slash has had. the problem with him (if you can really call it a problem) is that at worst he’s average. but the great thing is that at his best he’s unbeatable when it comes to slash vocalists. I like him as a touring vocalist too. Although, I wish he’d sing the velvet revolver songs that i’ve heard him sing in his own style instead trying to copy Scott.

I think the problem these days is he doesn’t have people with such strong songwriting skills working with him, as he did in Gn’R, so it feels, to me anyway,

Yeah, but that goes back directly to Izzy Stradlin. That guy was the main song writer in guns. he wrote the song structures and a majority of the melodies. Slash was primarily the soloist, but a vast majority of the leads that Slash would play were written by Izzy. I’ve followed Izzy’s solo career and in doing so it makes it so easy to hear the guns n roses songs that are his. which is a TON.

like he never really lives up to his full potential.

lol you just said Slash isn’t living up to his potential LOL

I’ll always be a fan though, the man’s a fucking legend.

Goes without saying :slight_smile:

[reply] Some of my friends have never accepted anything after Appetite because they think Gn’R sold out and went soft after that! They’re ultra-hardliners.

Can’t be that hard liners otherwise they’d know that the majority of songs on UYI I&II are songs that preceded AFD. A ton of those songs were played live in the club days before the band was even optioned by record labels.

Yeah, they think they’re experts, but they’re really not, hehe, liking a band’s first album and going out of your way to hate them after that is more like being a casual, fairweather fan in my book.

As far as Slash goes, outside Gn’R he’s never matched that quality.

I wouldn’t say “quality” But I agree with you in that there is certainly a dynamic that is missing which isn’t necessarily Axl. If anything it’s probably Izzy Stradlin. Wish Slash would’ve gone on to collaborate more with Izzy than Duff.

It seems like Izzy just never felt he had the need to go back to being in a big band like that. I bought his first solo album with the Juju Hounds, loved it, but after that i never really saw his albums in the shops, apart from the odd Japanese import that was selling for really high prices.

The solo in Fields of Joy is fucking awe-inspiring, one of his greatest.

never heard it it, checking out the song now.

What did you think of it? Kravitz is a bit of a nob but he has a few great songs, Slash really makes that one.

I wasn’t keen on the first Velvet Revolver album, but then i saw them live and was blown away, as much as i hate Weiland he was great with Gn’R’s remnants.

As a slash loyalist it pains me to say I was not keen on Velvet Revolver either. I saw them twice live and yes certainly better as a live act but never really could get all that into it. I only like Weiland in STP. My wife likes him, his solo efforts, STP, VR, but I don’t think he’s all that great and I certainly don’t think his voice goes with Slash’s sound. He should have never left STP, that’s the only place he’s ever really any good IMO.

Yeah, i’m not a Weiland fan at all. For what VR did for him, he seems to be a petty, ungrateful twat. Good singer live, but a twat. I listened to the first STP album, liked it at the time, but never felt the urge to explore them any further. It was a bit derivative.

I saw a Duff solo show too, was amazing also.

I’ve never been a Duff fan, his first solo record was absolute garbage. but I have to say I don’t mind his newer solo efforts. It’s certainly better than his original efforts and I like the punk feel to it.

His show was one of the most fantastic shows i’ve seen, lots of covers were played, he had a big extended jam at the end where they played a medley of classic songs, great stuff. I thought he had some great songs on his first solo album, plus he had a really good album that the record company never released, Beautiful Disease i think, but other than that i’m not a huge fan of his solo stuff myself.

Slash’s solo albums, hmmm, i listened to the first one once and hated it, i just thought he was degrading himself playing with some of those people, but in retrospect some of the songs were ok, some were even good.

Man, that’s too bad. I really dig it. I think the only songs I don’t “Like” on it are “Ghost” with Ian Astbury and the Ozzy song. every other track is solid as hell. Solo #2 is not nearly as good as Solo #1 but then what the hell? (IMO) with the bar being set so high with the first album it’s damn near impossible to get over on that one. My only real complaint about solo #2 is I wish he would have stayed with the guest singer format. even if he brought back some of the same guest singers that would’ve been fine. While I like myles and he’s a great touring singer I think his sound gets old quick on a full album.

I should probably give it another chance at some point, after looking at the track listing again i was surprised that he has so many people i don’t mind on it. I thought there were more people that i hated.

I did buy the Live In Stoke blu-ray though, which if you haven’t seen it, i can’t recommend it strongly enough.

Of course I have it [:)]

Great show, watched it the other day again myself, my friend (who was my co-Gn’R fiend in school) hadn’t seen it, he loved it too.

like he never really lives up to his full potential.

lol you just said Slash isn’t living up to his potential LOL

Ha, i know, sounds ridiculous, but i just expect more from him i suppose. His playing’s beyond reproach, but the bands that his playing is part of don’t reach the heights of Gn’R. That’s an impossible ask though.

I’ll always be a fan though, the man’s a fucking legend.

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Ah, my reply’s fucked up, first time i’ve tried a point by point reply. Can’t be arsed trying to figure out where i went wrong. [:)]