The next Ministry album will be the last one.

Trilogy?

Maybe the next album will sound like Bloodflowers. [;)]

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Meaning a few years afterwards he’ll release a self titled record and then do a nice festival tour with himself headlining and a bunch of bands influenced by him along for the ride? Sounds cool to me. Except that Bloodflowers was kinda boring.[:P]

And it looks like it’s going to be called “The Last Sucker”.

Finally!!

Ever since ‘With Sympathy’ it’s been all downhill!

Those pathetic whiners still holding out for dated synthcore and songs about Discordians, self loathing, panayama, Beamtenherrschaft, nursing homes, mysticism, despondency, the Yorda Linn Foundation, and hotrods…please exit stage left, and have a nice life…

But it’s still ok to hold out for another song about effigies, yeah?

Fuck! I want songs about Aleister Crowley and nursing homes not “Bush sux” part 600!!!

Haha no seriously who the fuck are we all kidding we are not going to get an “all encompassing” album it’s going to be another thrash metal w/samples album about Bush and yes it’s going to be very tired and formulaic.

It’ll be one of those albums that you put on and it immediately makes you bob your head but then a week later it starts to get old. But whatever maybe there will be a Ministry Renaissance and all the metalheads will hear this new shit and love it and then maybe one of them goes out and buys Land of Rape and Honey and is suddenly converted to good music.

I dunno either way I am looking forward to this last album (PLEASE PLEASE don’t call it The Last Sucker!!!) if only with the hopes that Al will pull his shit together and do something really cool and unexpected. I’m not gonna judge this thing before I hear it.

…but I won’t be holding my breath either…

Besides, Ministry have done enough for us at this point. There are plenty of way more vital and interesting bands out there who are carrying the torch of innovation that Al just couldn’t run with anymore after Animositisomina.

There are plenty of way more vital and interesting bands out there who are carrying the torch of innovation that Al just couldn’t run with anymore after Animositisomina.

such as? [:/]

such as?

nine inch nails!!! lol

[reply]There are plenty of way more vital and interesting bands out there who are carrying the torch of innovation that Al just couldn’t run with anymore after Animositisomina.

such as? [:/][/reply]

Uhhh…

Black Dice
Jesu
Hair Police
The Locust
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
anything Mike Patton touches for the most part
Pelican

…and more I can’t think of at this second cuz I’m at work and I have shit to do…

also I think Nautical Almanac are pretty crazy and interesting/innovative but they’re kind of hard to stomach even for noise fans.

good riddance! these last two albums were fucking parodies of ministry and that mindless political crap was just to sell records… turns out war is good for business isn’t it al?? if there was any art left to ministry it went out the door with paul.

hey voidhead if you think nautical almanac is hard to stomach for noise fans then you haven’t listened to any real noise!

get some sickness, ba.ku, the rita, and hijokaidan. that shit will put hair on yer balls!! [crazy]

Joke all you want about NIN, but you can actually see progess in Trent’s writing and live shows. With Teeth souinds NOTHING like the Fragile, Broken, PHM or TDS. This is why NIN will be relavent for a good long time.

Al has just taken like 8 steps backwards with each release since Animositisomina. Quite frankly this Bush bashing thing is rather irratating now. It was cool with Mole, not so cool now. It is just showing how limited Al is in his motivation and lyrics. There are other things to write about, there are other things going on. Sure Bush is bastard, but fuck man, do we need 3 fucking records telling us the same shit over and over and over again? This is why Rio Grande Blood lasted about 2 listens in my CD player and has rested in my cd collection ever since.

I don’t need Al to complete the trilogy, nor do I want him to. Paul Barker where are you when we need you? I would hate to say it, but since he left creativity has been cast aside for thrash metal riffs and boring lyrics.

Joke all you want about NIN, but you can actually see progess in Trent’s writing and live shows. With Teeth souinds NOTHING like the Fragile, Broken, PHM or TDS. This is why NIN will be relavent for a good long time.

Al has just taken like 8 steps backwards with each release since Animositisomina.

yeh, but everything before that?

with sympathy
twitch
land of rape and honey
the mind is a terrible thing to taste
psalm 69
filthpig
darkside of the spoon

surely that’s progression?

trent’s only done, what, 4 proper albums? let’s see how original he sounds in 4 or 5 albums’ time.

I’ve loved nin almost as long as i’ve loved ministry, but they’re hardly in the same league… yet. i’m not saying nin won’t still be original, or whatever, in 10 years time, but you just can’t compare the two.

i was just kidding.

i love with teeth. i think its a good pop record.

still, some guitars and some synths on it have same feel and sounding as the ones on the fragile.

i used to love the fragile. now i listen only to instrumentals from there and mostly the “right” disc.

plus, his lyrical content pretty much stays the same since the downward spiral, not that its a very bad thing, but you can see also that he loves to overuse certain words and expressions…

nin supposed to have new album out in 2007, i wonder how it will sound and all that.

I’m just curious to find out what this new “element” is that Trent keeps going on and on about. Apparantly he stumbled upon some effect\instrument
oise that is going to be the centerpiece of the new record, but won’t disclose what it is.

My good money’s on it being flanged harmonica.

i don’t know how he considers these “elements” - the fact is that say, add alot of noisy shit on “everyday is exactly the same” with some distortion and it’s a good downward spiral style track.

i mean he may have different approaches (as he said) to the recording/writing process, but in the end almost all his songs sorta have that signature something that you can recognize.

so i think it will be with teeth part 2, considering the full version of “not so pretty now” and “non entity” that were played at breakfast show on kroq radio are wrtitten totally in the same style.

True, but those were both W_T outtakes that didn’t make the record cut. What I’m referring to is a specific “thing” that Trent keeps going on about in recent interviews. Whatever it is, it’s something that he’s referring to as the “missing piece” in his writing up until now and will make it’s debut on the next record.

I’m telling you, it’s gotta be flanged harmonica

You got any links to some of these interviews?

hey voidhead if you think nautical almanac is hard to stomach for noise fans then you haven’t listened to any real noise!

get some sickness, ba.ku, the rita, and hijokaidan. that shit will put hair on yer balls!! [crazy]

I wasn’t saying that they are more “harsh” or “heavy” than other noise acts what I meant is that they are so bizarre that even some noise heads have a tough time getting into them.

Besides I’m sick of this whole harsh noise thing where it’s like “oh yeah this record is so hard it’s the sound of the mutilated corpse in your floorboards as it comes to life, spewing bile and ripping you to tiny pieces” etc. etc.

Wow your feedback is even “harder” and more piercing than my feedback…

Fuck that shit. I like noise shit that’s innovative and cool not just harder and heavier or whatever anyone can make the hardest noise record but it takes skill to make good noise that hypnotizes you and somehow stands out from all the Merzbow wanna-bes.

Oh also I want to add Animal Collective to my list of innovative, interesting bands. They fucking rule.

“missing piece”

yea, he probably says that shit to keep the fanboys interested. it’s always about “missing part/piece”, “falling apart”, shit like that that seems to return on his every album. he also said like “fuck that, i’m making the fragile, it’s totally different” then it was “yea, with teeth is totally different, i found new ways/elements/ect shit that … makes it so different!” and now it’s same stuff all over again. if it will be with teeth part 2 no big deal, with teeth is pretty much cool poppy record.

flanged harmonica? fuck yeah!

I think the new element Trent is talking about is actually going to be a collaborative record. Like not just Trent writing on his own (like previous efforts). ‘Not So Pretty Now’ is rumored to be a team effort (from everyone in the current line up), and we all know for NIN that is definately different. Its not Hier Reznor pointing at Jordie saying “Play this…” He has also talked about getting a female vocalist for the longest time, so maybe that is the new element. But regarldess, I am very excited about the direction(s) Trent could go in. If it happens to be a fanged harmonica, then so be it, I am sure it will be cool.

Back to Al though. Ministry for me was the most exciting of the Industrial acts because of the way the music was progressing. Paslm 69 to Filth Pig to Dark Side. Now that is a fucking Trilogy.

The progression hit a Brick fucking Wall after Animositisomina. Since then its been all death thrash metall all the time, each song sounding just like the previous, about the SAME FUCKING GUY. You have to wonder if Al is secretly in love or something. Besides, making 3 records about George W Bush does a huge diservice to the music by dating it. These last 3 records will not be relevant 2 years after Bush leaves office. Land of Rape and Honey, close to 20 years later, is still relevant. Rio Grande Blood, boring as sheep fucking in 2 weeks or less.

I think the new element Trent is talking about is actually going to be a collaborative record. Like not just Trent writing on his own (like previous efforts). ‘Not So Pretty Now’ is rumored to be a team effort (from everyone in the current line up), and we all know for NIN that is definately different.

I hope not.
“Not So Pretty Now” is possibly the worst song NIN’s ever done.

Ministry should mimic Land of Rape and Honey for their last hurrah. Use the same old equipment and studio.

[reply]The progression hit a Brick fucking Wall after Animositisomina. Since then its been all death thrash metall all the time, each song sounding just like the previous, about the SAME FUCKING GUY. You have to wonder if Al is secretly in love or something.[reply]

I’m noticing a recent trend of lazy generalizations about Ministry’s last couple of albums. I understand that people are sick of the Bush-bashing (myself included), but including Mole in the statement of ‘all death thrash all the time, each song sounding just like the previous’ is just plain inaccurate. Only half of Mole is about Bush, and in no way does each song sound the same, and it’s hardly a ‘death thrash’ album. Rio Grande Blood is relative to Mole only in the reprisal of the Bush-bashing; otherwise, it hardly sounds like that album. These last two releases aren’t ‘Al Jourgensen solo records’, either. It’s Ministry doing what they’ve done their whole career, change gears with each new album (subject matter aside). Obviously many here don’t like the direction Al has taken, and you can have your opinion, but don’t let all the anti-Bush bullshit cloud your memory too much.

Also, you can only speculate what the last two albums would’ve sounded like had Paul stayed in the band. How much different would these recent albums really sound, especially with Al’s current political motivations? Hey, maybe Paul would’ve sung WKYJ…who the hell knows?

Mole is Top 5 on my Ministry list, so for me, it’s a little strange to read posts describing Ministry’s ‘downhill’ decline. RGB is a decent follow-up, but not holding up for me like Mole. I’ll always be of the opinion that Filth Pig and Dark Side were the band’s weakest moments, and that Animositisomina got them back on track. Hey, that’s just me, I know that’s a crazy statement for a lot of you here. [:P] As for Ministry’s recent sound, I think Al’s just past the whole idea of trying to be innovative, experimental, or truly progressive with the band’s sound (profound statement, I know). It doesn’t always have to be challenging to be good, and Ministry’s music has never really come across as ‘heady music’ to me anyway.

Oh, and like it or not, Ministry’s ‘farewell’ album comes out in 2007, not 2003. [:P]

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