The Last Sucker: Now what do you think?

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It’s been six months since the first reviews showed up here:

http://www.prongs.org/minfiles/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=11492;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;

I’m curious how much everyone’s opinions have changed over the past six months. My opinion has changed drastically. I still like Let’s Go, but not as much…Watch Yourself remains my favorite song, though far from a classic, and Die In A Crash continues to be decent in an off-kilter way. Otherwise, I pretty much hate the rest of the album now. I thought some of the songs would grow on me, but the programmed drums I once liked now just sound cheap and thin, I hate the lyrics more and more, and The End of Days I & II is some of the most embarrasing music Ministry’s ever made. I cannot spin this CD in its entirety - it’s impossible. I re-visited RGB recently, and am now convinced that album is much better than TLS, and better produced. I’m surprised how forgiving I was on some of my original reviews. Must’ve been the honeymoon effect. Bottom line - it’s the most soul-less, forgettable Ministry album. 3 stars out of 10 (one star for each song I like).

New thoughts? Revised opinions? Continued hatred? New favorite Ministry album? [:|]

1002

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i listened to it three, maybe five times when it got leaked. didn’t have a listen of post-animositisomina ministry since, and probably won’t. still listen to pre-2004 ministry quite alot. so… you got the point. i hate “nuministry” and the new “revco”, just can’t stand them. listened to beers, steers and queers on the new year’s though, what a great fun album. they just don’t make 'em like they used to. and yet we have probably at least three cds full of mediocrity and banality coming - if i remember correctly, there should be last sucker remix album, and two cover albums, one by ministry, other by revco.

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There are a few songs on here than I can safely say I enjoy a little more or always have. “Let’s Go” always stuck out to me, “Die in a Crash” is just different to me, and I still can’t really put a finger on it; I still like Death and Destruction. Taking out the songs that I can absolutely live without, i’d say there’s about a good three or four songs there worth keeping: Let’s Go, Watch Yourself (which isn’t that great either, but average), Death and Destruction, possibly No Glory and Die in a Crash, but the latter two are maybes.

I’ve come to accept the bush trilogy a little more, but i’ve stopped considering this ministry and the ministry that I know split in 03. I just look at these three albums (although, imo, HOTM still has something left of ministry) as though it’s just another band altogether, but with Al steering the wheel as always.

And i’ve listened to RGB a few times more since, and it probably is the better album compared to TLS: TLS sounds tired, uninspired and so on, as for RGB, which is hardly original itself has some better flow and energy. Granted, I only like less than a handful of tracks off that album, but it’s probably safe to say that the three or four tracks worth noting off RGB defeat the TLS album as a whole. And yeah, the drum programming is meh. At first you think “programmed drums, step in a better direction”. And then the more you listen to it, it’s just the same repetitive clicking.

But there are two completely still bands. You have Ministry who gave us Land of Rape and Honey and Mind. And you have have this other ministry that gave us novelties like “LiesLiesLies”, “The Dick Song”, and don’t forget “Yellow Cake”. But if you consider that one is/was industrial, while the other is just metal with a few synths and programmed drums, it might be a little easier. Denial, perhaps?

But HOTM owns both of the other two. One thing that seems pretty clear about the entire bush trilogy is that no matter what I dislike and bitch about, I never complain about HOTM. Kinda funny.

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i never bought it.

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i never bought it.

Neither did I. And Gila, i’ll bet that there’ll also be a revco remix as well.

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i’ll bet that there’ll also be a revco remix as well.

it’s already out, unless ypu’re talking about remix album for a cover album?

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I still think the same about it.
Still think Life is Good is superb and still can’t stomach Roadhouse Blues.
Still think everything up to Death and Destruction is pretty damn good then the album stumbles when it hits that awful cover.
Certainly not a bad album.
Pisses all over RGB though. The only truly great tracks off that are Yellow Cake and Khyber Pass. Houses pisses on both.

I’m more into the remix stuff. Thought Cocktail Mixxx was fucking great. Dub Ya was a good effort. Both better than the original albums and looking forward to TLS remixes for that reason.

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I dig Life Is Good probably the most out of the entire album now but otherwise, my opinion hasnt changed that much either.

Its not the best Ministry, far from it, but its still good.

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meh. the programmed drums have gotten on my nerves. not because they are programmed, but like it has been said, after awhile all you hear is the clicking. there is no power behind the drums, no thickness.

let’s go is growing on me, and die in a crash is pretty cool, i guess.

still bought it.

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I still think the same about it.
Still think Life is Good is superb and still can’t stomach Roadhouse Blues.
Still think everything up to Death and Destruction is pretty damn good then the album stumbles when it hits that awful cover.
Certainly not a bad album.
Pisses all over RGB though. The only truly great tracks off that are Yellow Cake and Khyber Pass. Houses pisses on both.

I’m more into the remix stuff. Thought Cocktail Mixxx was fucking great. Dub Ya was a good effort. Both better than the original albums and looking forward to TLS remixes for that reason.

I’ve never had a problem with Roadhouse Blues now that I think of it. Reminds me a lot of Jesus Build My Hotrod: can’t hate that. It’s never bothered me, so I guess I kinda like that one too. Remix-wise, I liked a little more than half of cocktail mixxx, but I absolutely hated Dub. Cocktail mixxx was by far better than Cocked and Loaded, but that wasn’t too difficult.

And gila, I was mainly referring to a remix album for the new revco for the future. I’m sure we’re getting that last album. But I think you jinxed it, we’ll probably end up with remix albums for the covers albums too! heh. Wouldn’t surprise me, really. I kind of expect it now.

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haven’t bought it nor listened to it.

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My opinion is basically that if you take all of the post-Dark Side albums (the 4 proper albums, I’m not counting Rantology or RGDub Ya) and take the best few tracks from each release, there’s enough good material there to compile one fairly decent Ministry album.

If I HAD to pick a favorite, I’d say RGB is the best of the four, followed by Anim., then TLS and then Houses bringing up the rear.

I basically divide Ministry into 3 eras: Twitch & everything that came before it, then LORAH to Dark Side (the Warner Bros. years), and then ANIMOSITISOMINA onwards.

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It is quite possibly the worst album I heard in '07.

And that includes the James Blunt cd that my girlfriend bough t’other week.

An embarrassment to the once imposing and genre defying Ministry moniker.

Thanks Al! Now even my 13 year old Slipknot fan next door neighbour thinks yr music is ‘kinda juvenile’.

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“Let’s Go.” “Die In A Crash.” “End of Days pt. 2.”

People are going to go nuts when “Roadhouse Blues” is played live, you watch.

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heh, i didn’t think about that. it does seem like a nice pit song.

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I’m sure I’ll be adjusting my earplugs so I can figure out what song is playing. [:/]

1002

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I’m sure I’ll be adjusting my earplugs so I can figure out what song is playing. [:/]

Maybe you could just make a nice IPOD playlist of the tunes you would really want to hear at the show. Then just turn it on when they walk on stage. You could be enjoying Flashback in your ears while the play The Dick Song or something.

I did that when my wife made me go with her to see Rihanna/Akon. (I got free tix) I should have given them away, but I figured she’d take someone else. Rihanna was quite nice to look at, mind you. But it was funny watching her bop around the stage half naked while Jesu’s We All Faulter was playing in my ears.

-al

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Never bought it. Listened to a few snippets of some of the songs. There was one heavy song I thought sounded good on the speakers I had connected to the computer, I went to listen to it again and then thought it was crap and that was it.

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Oh, it’s not even close. With Sympathy walks all over TLS!

1002

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People are going to go nuts when “Roadhouse Blues” is played live, you watch.

heh, i didn’t think about that. it does seem like a nice pit song.

I’ve thought about it, it’s inevitable.
I’ll just be standing there with my eyes rolled into the back of my head though. Just like I did when NIN played Getting Smaller…

shudders