The Irony Of Al's 'Politics'

A common viewpoint of most leftist individuals is that they are ALWAYS ‘the oppressed’ and that the only way that you will ever instigate social/political change is to instill a sense of fear and anger in the masses, in the vain hope of a bloody revolt. Violence for a ‘good cause’ as it were.

Hence Al’s lurid, nihilistic, nightmarish vision of America as a country run by tyrants, thieves and evil doers - a place where individual thought is crushed and freedom is chained. He rants and raves about fear being big business, yet makes his living spouting messages of fear to any bored twelve year old with an iPod and ten bucks to blow on a rekkid.

The irony of being a citizen in this ‘oppressed’ America, but saying whatever he wants, doing whatever he pleases AND making money off his warped messages to boot - a la Michael Moore - seems to have escaped him entirely…or has it? Is he in on the joke? Hmmmmm…y’know, if Al lived in Iran and spoke about that government the way he speaks about the Bush Admin (‘the embodiment of all evil’ …supposedly) then he would have been beheaded long, long ago.

Now that’d make a good song!

Is this a valid argument, how much money would you say Al even has left?

ridiculously pretentious… Volume after volume of faux leaden gravitas…

Pot, meet the kettle - notice the color.

I’m sure Al won’t be hitting the poor-house anytime soon. He hasn’t yet. As long as psalm 69 and whichever older albums are still available, he’ll be living off those royalties until the day he dies. And psalm 69 had some success, so he’s probably still living off of that.

I got home, pulled up the forum, saw this thread and just sighed. Makes me not even want to read the board anymore…

How many threads can we possibly have on how much Al’s music/politics/the last three albums/Lard suck? Boring…

bisquitodoom, i couldn’t have said it better. i really think that my former friend al will maybe do something else great.can’t rag on this guy forever. before i read your post i was thinking, goddammit al’s a survivor. he’s good at this. as much as his current offerings pale next to everything else, he’ll be just dandy and picking up the royalty checks. and good for him. i’d still broadside him in an instant were the opportunity available.but that’s personal.

I’ve often wondered if its all one big joke.

Sure, his ranch got ransacked; and any junkie who makes that fact known about himself/herself is going to face that shit.

It’s not political.

But instead of the antics, he could take on an important issues–like the WAR on Doctors and the War on the treatment of Pain.

In place of those things, he’s still ranting about a lame duck politician --who has the power to do NOTHING.

maybe he realizes that no music survives that is political. And many times, I’m glad that vocal distortion is so loud, so i don’t have to have my brain insulted by the lyrics.

The music is good. I guess speedmetal is appealing.

But I wonder, too, about someone who is an immigrant from Cuba, and flourished in the economy of the US, hasn’t been vocally silenced , as far as i know (I think the military loves clowns like AL, because that’s where they get their laughs from), and prospered as much as one is humanly possible of doing.

one interesting comment, when someones asked him if he hates the ‘regimes’ in the US, why not emigrate to Canada? Well, first that’s sort of cowardly. Second, he can do all he wants to do here, and live well doing it.

I just get pissed have some message banged into my head, where on LORAH, the messages may not have been so bloody literal.

“Early hours, open road, family of five - on their way home
Having enjoyed a day in the sun, their encounter with gore has just begun”

Ha! I can’t wait for the new Ministry clip on HBB. I can just see it now:

A white touristy family with twin daughters makes a wrong turn into unsavory territory whilst visiting the middle east, angry arabs surround the auto, yanking mom, dad, sis #1, sis #2 out, stealing their digi cam and proceed to sing the god-awful “Lets Go” into the handy cam angrily. At the end of the video each member of the family’s head is forced into separate guillotines, each of the assigned baldes have been dulled so that the head severing is prolonged. Al and Missus Jay then enter from stage left in Pat Sajak and Vanna White garb making kissy faces to all the viewrs at home before they yank each chord on the dreaded killing machines.

Can’t miss.

this one made me laugh out loud. nicely done

bisquitodoom, i couldn’t have said it better. i really think that my former friend al will maybe do something else great.can’t rag on this guy forever. before i read your post i was thinking, goddammit al’s a survivor. he’s good at this. as much as his current offerings pale next to everything else, he’ll be just dandy and picking up the royalty checks. and good for him. i’d still broadside him in an instant were the opportunity available.but that’s personal.

Yup

…Volume after volume of faux leaden gravitas: meanwhile it’s lead protagonist is some kinda whacked-out gonzo black widows/ hells angels/ evil counterpart to Twinkie the Kid wielding a bone encrusted mic stand and a bottle of cheap scotch. It’s as if Lobo from DC comics were acting out King Fucking Lear

Perfectly put. What a ABSOLUTE AND UTTER JOKE Jourgenson has become.

And to the people who don’t like all the criticism of late on this board: TOUGH! The new direction Ministry have taken is appalling and deserves all the derision we can muster. Don’t let it just die out.

… i’d still broadside him in an instant were the opportunity available.but that’s personal.

Why? What’s the story behind that??

And I’ll bet there are a few former members who’d just love to take a crack at Al if given the opportunity, if half of the rumours are true.

It appears that almost all of the people Al used to work with can’t stand the guy. Is he that bad a businessman? Or just a bad individual in general?

Perfectly put. What a ABSOLUTE AND UTTER JOKE Jourgenson has become.

And to the people who don’t like all the criticism of late on this board: TOUGH! The new direction Ministry have taken is appalling and deserves all the derision we can muster. Don’t let it just die out.

Speak for yourself. I’m not going to follow this “al / ministry sucks” bullshit that the trolls are feeding. Sad thing is that quite a number of you are biting. Also, if you notice a lot of people just aren’t posting. The beating of a beating of a beating of a dead horse is not something i care to be a part of. Maybe others feel the same way.

he hated paul since '89??? wow, i feel sorry for the skinny guy! poor paul.

to jizzwad.
why do you think al has hated paul since 1989? maybe you’re more savvy in the day to day music world than i am. never heard much complaint from either side.not… forever.
as far as tycoon goes, she wormed her way into the AI soundtrack.
she, like al is a drug addict. recovering, i guess.
i wish to think of al in a positive way, and it becomes more difficult, mainly because of the crappy records.but life goes on.
and jizzwad… maybe you ought to take your vengeance to a publisher. you’re a good writer. make some money doing it.
it’s obvious you spend hours on your hobby of visiting here.
and i’m NOT complaining. i just think you need to get your facts straight.
um, ask ty?

[reply]A common viewpoint of most leftist individuals is that they are ALWAYS ‘the oppressed’ and that the only way that you will ever instigate social/political change is to instill a sense of fear and anger in the masses, in the vain hope of a bloody revolt. Violence for a ‘good cause’ as it were.

Hence Al’s lurid, nihilistic, nightmarish vision of America as a country run by tyrants, thieves and evil doers - a place where individual thought is crushed and freedom is chained. He rants and raves about fear being big business, yet makes his living spouting messages of fear to any bored twelve year old with an iPod and ten bucks to blow on a rekkid.

The irony of being a citizen in this ‘oppressed’ America, but saying whatever he wants, doing whatever he pleases AND making money off his warped messages to boot - a la Michael Moore - seems to have escaped him entirely…or has it? Is he in on the joke? Hmmmmm…y’know, if Al lived in Iran and spoke about that government the way he speaks about the Bush Admin (‘the embodiment of all evil’ …supposedly) then he would have been beheaded long, long ago.

Now that’d make a good song![reply]

[sly]
Your argument is a good one and yes you are right about Jourgensen taking his own freedom for granted while he pisses and moans about this country’s Gov. Administration.

I must also add that I think Jourgensen uses the premise of being the oppressed for two reasons. 1 - He is right in his disposition against the “Man” like a Michael Moore protagonist type. 2 - He’s entertaining in being silly and tongue and cheek about the whole thing while attacking passionately because Jourgensen is an intellectual who realizes the ridiculous nature of perpetually attacking a sect or political party being that it makes him look like a whiny lil’ bitch after the 2nd album of doing so. Although, he was attacking Bush Sr. back in '92/93 with the same tongue and cheek satirical flair and it worked greatly back then as well.

The only reason why this trilogy may seem annoying and trite or contrived to some fans or possibly many fans is that they made the mistake of taking it too seriously and they’re not attaching a keen sense of humor to the whole thing which is so mandatory.

I mean really…you gotta laugh at the whole sad state of affairs that the Bush Administration is in and the way the War in Iraq has become a parody of itself and the Iranian president coming to NYC (Harlem) to guest speak at Columbia University. CNN has become a comedy network paralleling Comedy Central and E news channels because the absurdity of current events seems to escalate on a daily ritual…it’s laughable man!

Jourgensen’s got my vote on his incessant bashing for this reason alone, that there’s great humor in all of this crap and he’s in the fore front of it being that he’s a talented mutha fucka with a great satirical sense of humor.

Hence, the trilogy is some of the greatest social and political commentary in our recent history as a nation and the musical content is some of my favorite balls to the walls shredding industrial metal of all time.

The remix albums of Revco & Ministry also rule this pathetic earth as well…I look forward to a remix LP of The Last Sucker.[blush]