the greatest flyer ever

Oh don’t even pull that “Rock and Roll attitude” card. I support pushing the envelope but stupidity featuring explicit content is another case. A certain amount of censorship is necessary, whether you’re indie or corporate.

Corporate being Coke Cola in 1995. During this time Coke Cola had an artist do a drawing of a woman and a penis. That cost the money because some idiot thought it would be a hilarious gag.
http://snopes.com/cokelore/poster.asp

Trust me there are psychotic customers are out there. evil dildo (or anyone else) I would hate to see someone sue you, claiming their child was psychologically damaged because of your flier. That’s why I spoke up, not because you deserve it but to prevent it from happening. If you don’t like it fine but at least know some of us in the business are looking out for you.

first off, that coke add is stupid. even if someone WAS combing through the ice cubes for the image of an impending blowjob, that thing… that could easily be explained away.

and this flier? it only looks like the horrible goatse, if you KNOW what it is already. otherwise it could pass as a million things.

nice drawing though… haha.

I’m not sure where he’s planning on putting these flyers, but, come on! It’s a small flyer for a small time provocative indie performance group. It’s not like he’s putting up a billboard or bus panels, for crying out loud.

Besides, it’s more abstract than vulgar. The only ones that will even know what it is are people who are already familiar with “goatse”.

You’re comparing a multi-billion dollar global corporation (I assume you mean Coca-Cola) to a super small time underground music troupe? Seriously?

Forget about whether censorship is rock and roll or not. This whole premise is just ridiculous regardless.

That cost the money because some idiot thought it would be a hilarious gag.

the difference is, is there is money to be had from corporations. everyone knows you won’t squeeze $$ from an indy artists cause there is none to be had.
Late,
grmpysmrf

DOH!!! I guess Rusty beat me to the punch while I was writing mine.

DOH!!! I guess Rusty beat me to the punch while I was writing mine.

its ok, yours sounds less… bitter. haha.

first off, that coke add is stupid. even if someone WAS combing through the ice cubes for the image of an impending blowjob, that thing… that could easily be explained away.

and this flier? it only looks like the horrible goatse, if you KNOW what it is already. otherwise it could pass as a million things.

nice drawing though… haha.

No whats stupid is when a college student claims censorship violates their artistic expression. Censorship is necessary, but we need to know where and how much is needed.

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first off, that coke add is stupid. even if someone WAS combing through the ice cubes for the image of an impending blowjob, that thing… that could easily be explained away.

and this flier? it only looks like the horrible goatse, if you KNOW what it is already. otherwise it could pass as a million things.

nice drawing though… haha.

No whats stupid is when a college student claims censorship violates their artistic expression. Censorship is necessary, but we need to know where and how much is needed.[/reply]

censorship DOES violate artistic freedom and expression. we dont need censorship, we need common sense.

making something kids can see? dont put an image of babies being raped on it. making something only people who are interested in it/attached to it/in a small community based on it are going to see? if you think that group will like the image, throw some raped babies on it. we dont need anyone setting up an organization to tell people what is and isnt ok to look at. we just need to think rationally.

No whats stupid is when a college student claims censorship violates their artistic expression. Censorship is necessary, but we need to know where and how much is needed.

Who is this “we” that decides “where and how much is needed”? Is it the aging nerd (who inexplicably knows what “goatse” is) that gets taken aback by the abstract black and white underground music flyer?

First and foremost, I am a fan of Type O Negative and the first time I saw Goatse? It reminded me of the original “Origin of Feces.” Hilarious.

Ironically, this wasn’t mentioned by you as an example of a sue-worthy incident like the Coke ad. Why? Is it because NOTHING HAPPENED? I had to look it up (thanks, Wiki) to know what you were referring to, but I see that the band did at some point change their cover art. This (I’m guessing) wasn’t censorship, but smart business. They probably wanted more stores and suppliers to carry the product and realized that a butthole on the CD might cost a few sales (kind of hard to ask Mom to buy the disc for a birthday gift with that cover as well).

Now here’s where it gets serious. Being that I am an active member of the entertainment industry, there are just things don’t work. This is one of them. The managers I bring material to have guide lines for fliers and that is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Not just the store but everyone involved; including me and you. I hope you’re prepared for that.

Active member of the entertainment industry? You mention “the store”, so I’m guessing you work in a record shop or something. You’re not exactly Richard Branson now, are you?

YOUR MANAGERS have guidelines for the flyers. I hope you know the difference between company policy and actual state or federal laws. And unless you’re familiar also with the laws of Australia, you really don’t know what you’re talking about regardless.

So, go ahead and carry on with your haughty, implied insider attitude, but unless you offer up some sort of rational for this flyer supposedly being a magnet for lawsuits (other than an irrellevant Coke ad from the 80’s or your own bosses’ guidelines) you’re just gonna look like a blowhard.

How people are offended by a sketch of a male stretching his arsehole yet there are paintings of a man brutally nailed to a cross on public display all over the world and it’s ok, even artistic…

YES and YES, Gunnar and Mick.

censorship DOES violate artistic freedom and expression. we dont need censorship, we need common sense.

making something kids can see? dont put an image of babies being raped on it. making something only people who are interested in it/attached to it/in a small community based on it are going to see? if you think that group will like the image, throw some raped babies on it. we dont need anyone setting up an organization to tell people what is and isnt ok to look at. we just need to think rationally.

I’m confused here. Do you support or oppose censorship?
You contradict yourself with your entire statement. At one point you label censorship as common sense, yet you oppose the idea of censorship. Elaborate more with the subject of flyers featuring adult content, and not child pornography.

Child pornography already is something that we know is censorship evolved into common sense, in the United States. This began as an individual, who formed a group. The group made it routine to where when they approached and even became government officials. By doing so, those government officials than than approached the US leader (Ronald Regan), at the time and made it illegal. Thus, you have local and national government sponsored censorship.

Other examples of government sponsored censorship? Copyright and trademarks. It’s one of the oldest. By law an individual can take ownership of creation and make it illegal for another individual to recreate that “piece of art” that is identical or closely resembles their piece of art. Hey maybe that’s why Peter Steele died of a heart attack, he finally saw Goatse! haha. No but seriously, Al Jourgensen can’t go out and release Christian Woman claiming its a Ministry song without giving credit to Peter Steele or the rest of Type O Negative. Censorship protects that from happening.

Which goes back to my earlier statement Censorship is necessary, but we need to know where we want it and how much we want of it. You’re argument is completely invalid. Find something else to argue about, like my gas station burrito, isn’t Taco Bell worthy.

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censorship DOES violate artistic freedom and expression. we dont need censorship, we need common sense.

making something kids can see? dont put an image of babies being raped on it. making something only people who are interested in it/attached to it/in a small community based on it are going to see? if you think that group will like the image, throw some raped babies on it. we dont need anyone setting up an organization to tell people what is and isnt ok to look at. we just need to think rationally.

I’m confused here. Do you support or oppose censorship?
You contradict yourself with your entire statement. At one point you label censorship as common sense, yet you oppose the idea of censorship. Elaborate more with the subject of flyers featuring adult content, and not child pornography.

Child pornography already is something that we know is censorship evolved into common sense, in the United States. This began as an individual, who formed a group. The group made it routine to where when they approached and even became government officials. By doing so, those government officials than than approached the US leader (Ronald Regan), at the time and made it illegal. Thus, you have local and national government sponsored censorship.

Other examples of government sponsored censorship? Copyright and trademarks. It’s one of the oldest. By law an individual can take ownership of creation and make it illegal for another individual to recreate that “piece of art” that is identical or closely resembles their piece of art. Hey maybe that’s why Peter Steele died of a heart attack, he finally saw Goatse! haha. No but seriously, Al Jourgensen can’t go out and release Christian Woman claiming its a Ministry song without giving credit to Peter Steele or the rest of Type O Negative. Censorship protects that from happening.

Which goes back to my earlier statement Censorship is necessary, but we need to know where we want it and how much we want of it. You’re argument is completely invalid. Find something else to argue about, like my gas station burrito, isn’t Taco Bell worthy.[/reply]

see, when i hear ‘censorship’ i think MPAA, i think the music ratings board, i think public indecency hearings, i think about bullshit police states, and most of all, i think of the stiffing of art.

censorship has always been (to me) being told something is inappropriate, out of place, uncomfortable, rude, stupid, mean, whatever. and if someone is telling you that, you dont have complete control of your art work. i dont beleive we should have film ratings, or that lenny bruce should have gotten in trouble, or that the Pete should have had to change that cover, or Void shouldnt be allowed to eat as much shit and make as many ‘weird’ videos as he wants. i just think that people should use their own common sense. should void go to a pre-school and pound down some poop? no. is that censorship? or is that just being levelheaded and looking out for the general safety of the kids?

i guess i just look at the word as coming from laws and requirements, where as you seem to want to use it as ANY limitations.

but on the playing other people’s music thing, fuck copyrights, fuck ‘ownership’. when you create something it becomes open for the world to hear, feel, experience, see, love, hate, whatever, and i just dont support ‘owning’ that. as a musician i am against copyright laws. im ok with creative commons, and i can get behind citation and respect, but straight up copyright? fuck that noise.

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No whats stupid is when a college student claims censorship violates their artistic expression. Censorship is necessary, but we need to know where and how much is needed.

Who is this “we” that decides “where and how much is needed”? Is it the aging nerd (who inexplicably knows what “goatse” is) that gets taken aback by the abstract black and white underground music flyer?

First and foremost, I am a fan of Type O Negative and the first time I saw Goatse? It reminded me of the original “Origin of Feces.” Hilarious.

Ironically, this wasn’t mentioned by you as an example of a sue-worthy incident like the Coke ad. Why? Is it because NOTHING HAPPENED? I had to look it up (thanks, Wiki) to know what you were referring to, but I see that the band did at some point change their cover art. This (I’m guessing) wasn’t censorship, but smart business. They probably wanted more stores and suppliers to carry the product and realized that a butthole on the CD might cost a few sales (kind of hard to ask Mom to buy the disc for a birthday gift with that cover as well).

Now here’s where it gets serious. Being that I am an active member of the entertainment industry, there are just things don’t work. This is one of them. The managers I bring material to have guide lines for fliers and that is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Not just the store but everyone involved; including me and you. I hope you’re prepared for that.

Active member of the entertainment industry? You mention “the store”, so I’m guessing you work in a record shop or something. You’re not exactly Richard Branson now, are you?

YOUR MANAGERS have guidelines for the flyers. I hope you know the difference between company policy and actual state or federal laws. And unless you’re familiar also with the laws of Australia, you really don’t know what you’re talking about regardless.

So, go ahead and carry on with your haughty, implied insider attitude, but unless you offer up some sort of rational for this flyer supposedly being a magnet for lawsuits (other than an irrellevant Coke ad from the 80’s or your own bosses’ guidelines) you’re just gonna look like a blowhard.[/reply]

Gunnar please understand I’m not angry at you when I say this statement: You’re involvement in this discussion, and statements are pointless. Obviously You’re just yanking my chain, I realize that and I’m laughing. However, it’s as bad as these bands that claim they’re serious, when clearly they’re not. Be different than them and go do something else useful. Hell make an amazing album that kicks Al Jourgensens ass. That way when I see your release, I can brag to my boss that I know you. Followed by him calling my bluff, only for you do an in store performance. That way when my boss sees you perform and he’s like “Shit they love him!” And I’m like “Damn right, and you called my bluff, you crazy bastard.” Sound like a plan?

Other examples of government sponsored censorship? Copyright and trademarks. It’s one of the oldest.

I think you are confusing theft and censorship.

I don’t know if you are doing it on purpose for the sake of an example or if you really don’t know any better, but either way, your whole diatribe on the matter is off point.
Late,
grmpysmrf

Sounds like somebody’s got Boss issues…

http://youtu.be/MGwpmd8oPV4

Sounds like somebody’s got Boss issues…

http://youtu.be/MGwpmd8oPV4

Nah Lunatic/Genius issues…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlXPwWamSWw
[laugh]

[reply]Sounds like somebody’s got Boss issues…

http://youtu.be/MGwpmd8oPV4

Or Lunatic/Genius issues…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlXPwWamSWw
[laugh][/reply]

That picture of Barker looks like Rick from “Degrassi: The Next Generation”. Rick is the kid that put Teri in a coma then after getting bullied too much went crazy and brought a gun to school and shot Jimmy and put him in a wheelchair and then got killed when Sean wrestled the gun from him and shot him in the process.

Barker would never do that.

Gunnar please understand I’m not angry at you when I say this statement: You’re involvement in this discussion, and statements are pointless.

Is everything you disagree with pointless? I may be using some humor and sarcasm and I may ask you questions specifically intended to make you think or to point out absurdities or incongruities, but I certainly don’t think my statements are pointless.

Instead of telling me my posts are pointless, why don’t you make a stronger point yourself?

Oh, yeah, and please understand that I’m not angry with you either.

Obviously You’re just yanking my chain, I realize that and I’m laughing.

It doesn’t seem like you’re laughing. People don’t usually tell someone to buzz off if they like the jokes. Seems like you just don’t like the message.

However, it’s as bad as these bands that claim they’re serious, when clearly they’re not.

Could you please describe the bands and situation that you’re referring to? I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about here or how it’s relevant.

Be different than them and go do something else useful. Hell make an amazing album that kicks Al Jourgensens ass. That way when I see your release, I can brag to my boss that I know you. Followed by him calling my bluff, only for you do an in store performance. That way when my boss sees you perform and he’s like “Shit they love him!” And I’m like “Damn right, and you called my bluff, you crazy bastard.” Sound like a plan?

I don’t have time for a music album right now. I’m too busy entertaining millions with my globally successful line of comic books. Also, I have my own Q&A/ advice column that I’m heavily invested in because I live to help others.

Telling someone their contributions to a discussion on censorship are invalid or pointless and then telling that person s/he should go make a music album makes about as much sense as a brain surgeon asking his assistant to bring him a pinata filled with chocolate pudding.

That picture of Barker looks like Rick from “Degrassi: The Next Generation”. Rick is the kid that put Teri in a coma then after getting bullied too much went crazy and brought a gun to school and shot Jimmy and put him in a wheelchair and then got killed when Sean wrestled the gun from him and shot him in the process.

Barker would never do that.

I remember that show! Me and my buddies teased it calling De Gassy for laughs. All because it had was full of shit exaggerating high school teen-drama every episode. But yeah whatever happened to Teri? It was like Poof she’s in a coma and never heard from again. Did she die or something?

HAHAHA!!! Good question. I’ve been watching hours upon hours of the show and don’t know what happened to Teri. If I had to fill in the blanks on my own I’d say her parents kept her from going back to Degrassi since Rick was allowed to return.