Thanks (Re: ripping CDs)

Thank you all for the suggestions - the ripping of my collection has started and wow, yeah, thankfully they have 1 terrabyte drives. The space is mounting a lot.

http://www.prongs.org/flac

I’m nowhere near done but the process has started. The LiteOn drive is superb.

So here’s a question for the audiophiles here, which has me scratching my head.

I had two different FLAC files of a track from a CD. One FLAC was from my original CD, the other was one laying around from way before (I didn’t rip it). The song is from the exact same album but each of the FLACs are of different size. This is most probably because of compression.

I used Linux’s Lame project to convert the FLAC to MP3 using the same exact parameters: -V 0 -b 256 :

-V n quality setting for VBR. default n=4
0=high quality,bigger files. 9=smaller files

-V was set to 0 which is the highest quality.

-b bitrate set the bitrate, default 128 kbps

-b was set to 256

The 2 MP3s should be the same size and bitrate, correct? They aren’t. One is less VBR than the other and less space. I am confused… Are there any other factors that go into this?

Good God’s Urge - Porno For Pyros.

Fucking awesome cd! Just had to let that out.

Variable bitrate adapts itself to the dynamics of a track.

I am therefore guessing you have the song in two versions - perhaps the original and a remaster?

Variable Bit Rate…it varies…based upon input (your FLAC files)…your input might be the same song, but the files are different…and possibly ripped to different flac settings?

the simple explanation is…slightly different input…slightly different output.

Variable bitrate adapts itself to the dynamics of a track.

I am therefore guessing you have the song in two versions - perhaps the original and a remaster?

That’s the thing - it is the same version song - not remastered, etc. It’s a track of nin’s Fragile. I am thinking perhaps, one of the FLACs is normalized or something. No clue.

are you SURE that both are from their original source. the one with the smaller file… did it come from a CDR? all i can think of is that one is a CDR and it was actually made from a group of MP3s. if you RIP to any cpmpression format your going to lose quality.

Not to be a bother, but could you be so kind to tell me how many Lay Lady Lay’s you have live? Because I would love to have a them.

Simple … because audio CDs don’t have error correction. A little scratch on the surface and the data is different.
You might not hear the errors, but for FLAC the bitstream is different (and so the result).

I would tend to say that the bigger file is the one with more errors.

Thank you guys for all your help. I’m almost done with this. Almost.

http://www.prongs.org/flac

If anyone uses Linux and wants the scripts I used to rip, tag and store the tags into a database, let me know and I’ll gladly post them. Better than I thought - it’ll all be less than 500Gb…

wow, cool…talk about detailed.

No DOUBT.

Mad respect for your wide tastes in music, man… Figured I was the only Leaether Strip/Klutae fan on the board. [:)]

I was very into Leather Strip/Klute in college. Eventually Claus Larsen lost his mojo and I switched to Wumpscut. And now I don’t really listen to either of them very much.

Yeah, I feel ya… his “symphonic” industrial stuff is a pretty radical departure from the electronic kick in the ass that things like “Fit for Flogging” and “Excluded” are… but it’s still just as Claus all the way, and in turn, just as venomous and beautiful to me.

“Nose Candy,” “How Do I Know?” and “Death is Walking Next to Me” may be worlds apart sonically, but musically, they still have that special quality that just GETS me, man.

:wumpscut:'s pretty dope. I’ve only listened to the “Wreath of Barbs” and “Evoke” albums, but there’s some great stuff there.

Also, Afra, MAD respect for digging Funker Vogt. Not a huge fan of their post-'97 work (too goddamned RAVE-y for me), but “Thanks for Nothing” is GREAT.

:wumpscut:'s pretty dope. I’ve only listened to the “Wreath of Barbs” and “Evoke” albums, but there’s some great stuff there.

Are you kidding?
Go out right now and get “Music For A Slaughtering Tribe” and “Bunker Gate 7”. That’s Wumpscut picking up where Leather Strip left off (much like how, around the same time, Covenant picked up where Front 242 left off).

Yessah. (Ma’am?)

[:)]

On that shit.

Sir.
This thread inspired me to put on MFAST whilst making breakfast this morning, btw.