Stupid 3 post rule

I woulda posted this in the other thread but 3 posts…

[> quote=“Gunnar, post:107, topic:7102”]

Anyway, I just want this shit done with.
I think it’s kind of silly for Democrats to expect Trump to suddenly be Dudley Do-Right and participate in these weird old school protocols of decorum like “conceding” an election, especially when they spent the last 4 years trying to take him out by any means necessary.[/quote]

This is just a mischaracterization of what went on over the last 4 years. Nobody did any “By any means necessary” shit to trump… here’s a short list complete with headers and links to reputable news sites… this by no means close to all of it…

Violence

Hate crimes rise under trump https://www.naacp.org/latest/naacp-sees-continued-rise-hate-crimes-legacy-trumps-racism/

Mail bomber radicalized by fox news https://abcnews.go.com/US/mail-bomber-cesar-sayoc-obsessed-trump-fox-news/story?id=64500598

Trump supports murderer Rittenhouse https://apnews.com/article/e5c0dd83a2c172c0aed75b0a91517a55

Trump refuses to transfer power peacefully https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/trump-power-transfer-2020-election.html

Out spoken trump support from florida charged with pipe bomb spree https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/26/suspected-explosive-devices-addressed-cory-booker-james-clapper-probe-expands-packages/

The gestapo has you now https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/

The insurrection act https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-times-opinion-editor-resigns-amid-fallout-over-op-n1227081

Border patrol laugh at shooting migrants and threaten violence against politicians they don’t like https://www.propublica.org/article/secret-border-patrol-facebook-group-agents-joke-about-migrant-deaths-post-sexist-memes

Trump laughs at murdering migrants… https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/10/mcconnell-elaine-chao-1358068

Steve bannon says 2019 will be the most vitriolic year since the civil war https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/431317-bannon-predicts-2019-will-be-most-vitriolic-year-in-us-politics

Roger stone threatens judge in his case with crosshairs on his websit https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/roger-stone-judge-crosshairs-796184/

Trump thinks White supremacists are very fine people…

Judge who blocked Trumps travel ban gets death threats https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/325614-federal-judge-who-blocked-second-travel-ban-received-threats

Trump supporter runs over protestor Do I really need a link for this?

Trump calls for the “Liberation of Michigan” far rights develop plot to kidnap governor… https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/08/michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer-kidnap-plot-busted-by-fbi.html

Paul Manafort’s judge getting death threats https://www.rollcall.com/2018/08/17/manafort-judge-says-hes-getting-death-threats/

Trump celebrates man who beat up journalist https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-rally-montana-thursday-backs-greg-gianforte-body-slam-guardian-reporter-my-guy-2018-10-18/

Trump makes pelose fly into war zone with out the aid of military craft https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/17/politics/donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-trip-cancel/index.html

Video shows a mock trump shooting and stabbing a news media https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/14/fake-video-of-trump-shooting-media-and-opponents-shown-at-presidents-resort

Corruption

China all the sudden gives Ivanka 5 trademarks https://apnews.com/article/2ffd383b26d24597aa4aefbf4e5def48

Mcconnel will not allow witnesses in impeachment trial/ he doesn’t care that he has to https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/politics/mitch-mcconnell-response-schumer-impeachment/index.html

You will now fund trumps private defensive lawsuits https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/nyregion/donald-trump-jean-carroll-lawsuit-rape.html

Trumps new no experience post master fires 2 top heads grabbing more power for himself https://billmoyers.com/story/friday-night-massacre-at-us-postal-service-as-postmaster-general-a-major-trump-donor-ousts-top-officials/

Trump wants to use military $ for the wall Mexico is supposed to pay for https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/504734-trumps-use-of-pentagon-funds-for-us-mexico-border-wall-illegal-court

When the looting starts the shooting starts https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/864818368/the-history-behind-when-the-looting-starts-the-shooting-starts

DOJ drops investigation into Flynn https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/07/top-prosecutor-in-flynn-case-abruptly-withdraws-amid-trump-attacks-243107

McConnel tries to get older republican judges to retire in favor of new younger ones https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/us/politics/mcconnell-judges-republicans.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Trump breaks law in his head of immigration pick https://www.npr.org/2020/03/01/811023475/judge-says-ken-cuccinelli-was-appointed-unlawfully-to-top-immigration-post

Trump puts his thumb on the scales of justice https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-chinese-president-xi-told-him-coronavirus-will-killed-heat-april-1486571

Trump fires Navy secretary for upholding the law https://apnews.com/article/7902f59c504d427ca89a9bd3484a207d

Bill bar meets with news agency owner after Trump is unhappy with coverage (hint it’s fox ) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/22/william-barr-rupert-murdoch-muzzle-andrew-napolitano-fox-news-trump-critic-book

Trump foundation to dissolve after abuse and corruptions claims https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/nyregion/ny-ag-underwood-trump-foundation.html

Strong trump supporter Chris Collins charged with insider trading https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/17/chris-collins-sentenced-to-26-months-for-insider-trading-tip.html

People with green cards can’t enlist https://www.mic.com/articles/185297/exclusive-army-bans-green-card-holders-from-enlisting-a-move-that-may-break-federal-law#.MhEPPnIFS

Hud scales back fair housing rules https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/trump-hud-fair-housing-act

Border patrol agents shut down freeways in main and new Hampshire https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/23/us/maine-new-hampshire-border-patrol-checkpoints/index.html

Securities and exchange committee drops it’s inquiry into Kushner after trump is involved https://apnews.com/article/dcea3eecab2b478aacd70321c6ce9a91

Hundreds of immigrant children have been taken from their parents at the border https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/21/donald-trump-immigration-parents-children-separated/

Fires deputy director for going against him https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16/politics/andrew-mccabe-fired/index.html

Saudi prince claims Kushner is his puppet https://theintercept.com/2018/03/21/jared-kushner-saudi-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman/

Waives punishment for convicted banks https://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/trump-administration-waives-punishment-convicted-banks-including-deutsche-which

Trump nominates his golf buddies to cushy government jobs https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/11/02/trump-nominates-some-club-members-plum-government-jobs/823231001/

The new zoning laws benefit trump’s kids personally https://apnews.com/article/41847c1548e34d0ba8c339836b86ed93

Fires the consumer watchdog office (So when trump university rips you off you have no where to go but to seek unaffordable personal lawyers) https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-cfpb-advisory-board-fired-20180607-story.html

Tried to discredit Obamas proof of election tampering from russisa https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/obama-trump-russia-election-hacking.html?emc=edit_na_20170301&nl=breaking-news&nlid=60539443&ref=cta&_r=1

Trump’s “voter fraud expert” is registered to vote in 3 states https://apnews.com/article/80497cfb5f054c9b8c9e0f8f5ca30a62

Trump pardons Sherrif Joe for violating the constitution and civil rights… https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/25/politics/sheriff-joe-arpaio-donald-trump-pardon/index.html

Trump hides white house visitor logs https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/328857-trump-administration-wont-release-white-house-visitor-logs

Political groups no longer have to disclose dark money https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tax-groups/u-s-treasury-moves-to-protect-identities-of-dark-money-political-donors-idUSKBN1K704F?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5b4d619104d3015b814a5c66&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

Ice erasing records of prisoner treatment https://www.newsweek.com/us-historians-are-fighting-stop-ice-erasing-records-agencys-treatment-1049158?amp=1

Treason

Trump tells Russia of bahgdad raid before he tells congress https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-left-top-democrats-dark-about-al-baghdadi-raid-n1072556

Pelosi calls out Trumps ties to putin https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/pelosi-trump-russia-234664

Asks china to start investigation on the bidens https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-publicly-urges-china-ukraine-investigate-bidens-amid-impeachment-inquiry-n1061956

Believes Kim jong un on the death of otto warmbier https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/donald-trump-said-he-believes-kim-jong-un-played-no-role-in-death-of-otto-warmbier

Trump calls for favor before ukrain can get aid https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sondland-testimony-targets-trump-pompeo-confirms-deal-ukraine-n1086541

Trump declares national emergency to build wall – Even though Mexico will pay for it. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47247726

Kushner lies about contacts with Russia https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-fbi-kushner-exclusive-idUSKBN18N018

Sessions forgot to mention he dealt with Russia on trumps behalf https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-spoke-twice-with-russian-ambassador-during-trumps-presidential-campaign-justice-officials-say/2017/03/01/77205eda-feac-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html?utm_term=.d421fd72423a

DHS confirms russian election tampering https://www.google.com/search?q=DHS+confirms+russian+election+tampering&oq=DHS+confirms+russian+election+tampering&aqs=chrome..69i57.1164j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Kim Jong un praises Trump as your excellency https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/12/kim-jong-un-praises-donald-trump-your-excellency-letter/779572002/

Straight up stupid lies

Heat kills corona virus https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-chinese-president-xi-told-him-coronavirus-will-killed-heat-april-1486571

More lies about coronavirus https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-twitter-youtube-removing-false-covid-19-information-video-trump-share/

Almost 10,000 lies in the first 2 years https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/21/president-trump-made-false-or-misleading-claims-his-first-two-years/?outputType=amp&arc404=true

Trump claims his father was born in Germany for the 3rd time. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/02/trump-wrongly-claims-his-dad-was-born-germany-third-time/

Trump threatens to cut GMs subsidies even though they get none https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/27/business/gm-trump-subsidies/index.html?utm_content=2018-11-27T19%3A58%3A06&utm_source=fbCNN&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social

Deletes Research citations on climate change he doesn’t like https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/28/arctic-researcher-donald-trump-deleting-my-citations

Says everyone wants Ivanka to be an ambassador no one does https://www.newsweek.com/ivanka-trump-donald-americans-daughter-un-1167418

Nepotism

Ivanka to sit the board to choose next World bank president https://www.reuters.com/article/us-worldbank-ivanka/ivanka-trump-to-help-select-candidate-to-lead-world-bank-white-house-idUSKCN1P902D

McCConnel’s wife sends money his way… https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/10/mcconnell-elaine-chao-1358068

Ivanka moves into the whitehouse https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/21/520965076/ivanka-trumps-move-to-the-white-house-raises-questions-about-ethics

Kushner lies on his security clearance. politifact.com/article/2019/feb/26/three-questions-could-entangle-jared-kushners-secu/

Eric trmp’s bo in law now on the DOE https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/320916-eric-trumps-brother-in-law-working-at-energy-dept

Theft

What happened to the election money? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/18/one-year-after-trumps-inauguration-no-one-say-how-they-spent-extra-money/1043804001/

Trumps friend bannon steals from wall wanters https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/politics/trump-campaign-nevada-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Bragged to his buddies about the tax break he got them https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-mar-a-lago-christmas-trip/

Trump to sell public lands to private companies (I know it says lease but when they put up their oil derricks who really want ‘em back?) https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-administration-lease-federal-lands_n_5b98f9b5e4b0511db3e7cd19

Puerto Rico Supposedly got 92 Billion in hurricane relief but only 14 billion showed up https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-trump-says-puerto-rico-got-92-billion-they-n1031276

Trump has to pay 25 million settlement over scam university https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/31/522199535/judge-approves-25-million-settlement-of-trump-university-lawsuit?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170331

Voter Fraud

Trump wants to delay the census https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/451248-trump-looking-very-strongly-at-delaying-census?fbclid=IwAR2c_rSt4vYUB66mdZqcKpQC29dwtPQ74yOxX7S3taExyOBWdsHbP7k-9zI

Trump doesn’t think your vote counts https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/politics/trump-campaign-nevada-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Trump blocks elections protection bill https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-blocks-bill-protect-elections-173459278.html

Take my word for it

McConnel blocks the release of Mueller report so nobody can actually fact check what repubs claim it says

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/mcconnell-blocks-schumer-effort-call-public-release-mueller-report-n987261

Rules for thee but not for me.

Kushner and Ivanka use private email accounts for official business…

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/us/politics/jared-kushner-whatsapp.html

Trump’s commerce secretary use private email for business https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/24/wilbur-ross-private-email-national-archives-056287

Trump aides used private email for official business https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/20/trump-aides-private-email-elijah-cummings-243988

Trumps house keeper is undocumented https://www.vox.com/2019/2/4/18207096/victorina-morales-undocumented-immigrant-trump

Incompetence

Betsy devos takes down website for rights of disabled students https://www.cantwell.senate.gov/news/press-releases/cantwell-murray-seek-answers-from-betsy-devos-after-resource-website-for-federal-law-protecting-students-with-disabilities-is-taken-down-redirects-to-inadequate-source

Betsy devos gets rid of 72 policy decisions for disabled students https://thebestschools.org/magazine/devos-slashes-idea-guidelines/

Trump fires CDC infections expert stationed in China before outbreak https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv-idUSKBN21910S

Trump says he said not to reach out to mean governors https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-trump-told-pence-not-to-call-washington-michigan-governors.html

Pedophilia

Hired the DA that let Epstein off as the secretary of labor https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article225624945.html

Trumps favorite, Roy moore, is a pedophile https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/04/roy-moore-trump-backs-alabama-senate-candidate

Trump brags to Howard stern he get to look at naked teens https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-former-miss-arizona-tasha-dixon-naked-undressed-backstage-howard-stern-a7357866.html

Wishes the partner of some guy he didn’t know well https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/04/politics/donald-trump-ghislaine-maxwell-axios/index.html

Sexual Misconduct

Trump says all women accusing him of sexual harassment are lying… https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/27/donald-trump-sexual-harassment-claims-women-lying-white-house

Not my type https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/she-s-not-my-type-trump-says-e-jean-carroll-n1021331

Just bastardness

Trump holds up stimulus checks so the treasury can add his name… https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/15/21222046/trump-name-stimulus-checks-delays

Bullies lebron James and a reporter https://thehill.com/homenews/media/400365-dan-rather-blasts-trump-for-racist-criticism-of-lebron-james-don-lemon

Bravo on your news gathering. No Trump follower will believe any of it (fake news) but it shows commitment and dedication on your part. I like the cut of your jib.

I spoke with an old friend last night who has become a Trumper. I don’t know what to do. He had a corresponding argument against every point vs. Trump that I made. I would ride and die with this guy, we’ve been friends since 94, but it still sucks.

Thanks. I can’t take a whole lot of credit for it. Amy Suskind of the WP has a blog/article/whatever where she keeps a weekly list of the shit that has changed under trump. All I did was rearrange some of it into particular categories, give it brief description and add a couple entries to it. But she has far, FAR more entries.

As far as the old friend… I know. I’ve got two. one I’ve known since '89 and one I’ve known since 2000. and they both are trumpers. As a matter of fact the friend (he’s the one from '89) that I opened my house up to so he could go to school after his divorce and house and job loss is a trumper. It’s really sad. I thought for sure that expressly showing him that the republican mantra is a lie (boot strap pulling and what not) what but it’s hardened him he’s more pissed and angry than ever.

When it comes to “fake news” the best way to combat that is to point out that their only source of news is the TV. “The tv told you to say fake news” Also, their “news” is a single source. I intentionally found multiple sources for the list. The only sources that these trumpers can use are right wing rags that are all connected with each other, basically an echo chamber… the guardian, reuters, AP, wp lat, etc these are not “liberal media” they are just pointedly not conservative or liberal (but ask a conservative, anything NOT conservative is obviously liberal) and even better, they are competitors when it comes to business.

For me personally, this is what pisses me off. I went to college. I learned HOW to think. not what to think but how. All but two of my professors openly encouraged debate and thought and questions… The first professor that pulled the do not argue with me card was a poli sci professor wingnut where he would espouse politically charged rush limbaugh opinion bullshit in the class. He would include his anti abortion bullshit in his lectures and if you tried to engage him he would kick you out of the class and/or lower your grade. Aside from this being his rep he would tell you this. “Your grade is in danger, grmpysmrf” “I am the professor not you, you will listen to what I say” He’s since retired but he still writes to the local newspaper in these pro trump anti liberal screeds. I got kicked out of his class twice…

The next “don’t argue with me” professor was a new professor and taught sociology. Her left bias was extremely clear she knew what she was talking about because “i am black and used to be a cop” I got kicked out of her class for a session for arguing. So out of ALL of my professors, 2. Only two were “my way or the highway” professors. and it was evenly split between left and right.

So, back to what pisses me off. I went to school, I put in the time, I put in the work. These know it all motherfuckers put in NO time, put in NO work and sat on their ass and watched tv all fuckin day and think they know everything because Sean or tucker or bill or glenn or rush told them WHAT to think. They don’t know what a logical fallacy is, they don’t know the difference between fact and opinion (a skill they don’t need college for). They talk shit about college, about my hard work, because the TV told them to talk shit. Theyve never been to college so they don’t know how/what it really is. It’s just easier for them to let the TV tell them what to do. It’s flashy, and they don’t have to put any work in AT ALL. “Passive learning” is not learning at all.

What’s worse is you can’t argue with tv. it talks right over the top of you and doesn’t give a fuck if you disagree. So, how long before that sinks in and you stop arguing and just accept its bullshit? With words you can close the book, and think about what’s been written, you can reread it, you can analyze it, you can disagree with it and strengthen your own position. you can’t do any of that with tv.

Nothing is more indicative of our lazy uneducated culture than the TLDR tag. “Oh I gotta put in some tiny bit of effort? Never mind, unless somebody can over simplify this for me so I don’t have to do anything, I’m not gonna bother.”

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