[reply]I can’t back this because it’s a repub talking point! Who knows if the Clinton admin really had time or intell to deal with it?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/
I’m pretty sure msnbc isn’t fox news.[/reply]
fair enough
[reply]nobody ever heard this until W needed an excuse for nor reacting to the bin laden memo.
It would have never been a talking point on either side, but 9/11 happened so it has become one.[/reply]
I refuse to believe that any person would sell out our country for no reason? For what end would that accomplish for Clinton push that off on Bush? so clinton just sat in office for 8 years saying, “just bide my time play a little defense and leave it to the repub pres that is going to cheat his way into the white house” If Clinton really left that mess then it would’ve fucked Gore had he won(which i’m sure he was betting on Gore to win) and ultimately fucked his own party and goes directly against your own theory of party group think. (don’t mean to be snarky but as you pointed out it’s hard to write politics with the proper tone)
I agree. I don’t think Clinton planned anything. He just failed to take action when action could have prevented. His mind was on getting ass and having to lie about it.[/reply]
I think that may be an overly simplistic attitude towards Clinton… if you read the rest of that article it also says:
"In reality, getting bin Laden would have been extraordinarily difficult. He was a moving target deep inside Afghanistan. Most military operations would have been high-risk.
they disrupted terrorist cells and made al-Qaida a top national security priority.
“We used military force, we used covert operations, we used all of the tools available to us because we realized what a serious threat this was,” said President Clinton’s former national security adviser James Steinberg."
Even worse after military action had been taken with bush when Bush gutted our constitution with the patriot act he is guilty of the same shit he is accusing clinton of because Bush let Bin Laden get away at tora bora and that was after Laden slapped the dog shit outta us on 9/11. so again the blame still falls at the feet of W.
Not only that if that Bush was so good at “keeping us safe” he would’ve been all over that memo before it even it showed as a briefing… you feel me dawg??
[reply] Most level headed democrats would agree that the Clinton administration really dropped the ball in that dept.
I don’t think so for the reasons I’ve already outlined[/reply]
See the above link.
If the Repubs want to start championing civil liberties, cut their ties to overtly destructive racist organizations and individuals (KKK doesn’t vote left, ever nor have the dems accidently endorsed a grand dragon to run on their ticket!)
Ever heard of Robert Byrd? Senior democratic Senator of West Virginia? The longest serving member in the Senate history and former leader of the democratic party? Former member of the KKK? He is quoted “I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side… Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.”[/reply]
I don’t see this as making excuses although some may say differently but that qoute is well over 60 years old and he has to have had a change of ideals cause other wise he wouldn’t be a democratic senator. Not only that but from wikipedia:
“In 1997, he told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics, but to "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don’t get that albatross around your neck. Once you’ve made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena.”[10] In his latest autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision — a jejune and immature outlook— seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions."[11] Byrd also said, in 2005,
I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times… and I don’t mind apologizing over and over again. I can’t erase what happened."
for me that’s enough to believe he’s turned over a new leaf. so he doesn’t really bring down the dems or openly associate with racialy destructive organizations.
david duke said the same kinda shit in '91 but then as soon as he was exposed he went right back to the kkk and the became a repub representitive for (I think)mississippi and continues to issue a doctrine of hate… disgusting.
Late,
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