so this really sucks

OK, so- burglary update.

Guy entered his guilty plea on Monday. Sentencing deferred until September 25.

Meanwhile one of my buddies texted me five days ago to tell me the chef at the restaurant he works at moved into our old house where the burglary occured. He’d been there about a week and was already fighting with the shady ass landlord. So today he texts me again, turns out last night the house was broken into AGAIN and the guy was robbed blind, including his collection of 23 guns, some of them fully automatic.

Just fucking lovely.

Wow!
Horrible.
Late,
grmpysmrf

cursed house,bro…

Not to discount the crimes committed at all, but seriously . . .

Gun safes and trigger locks, people.

If you’re gonna buy 23 automatic weapons, just, you know, go the extra mile and store 'em in a big safe, would ya?

Apparently the guy just moved here from Kentucky and had a big gun vault, but it wouldn’t fit through the door, so he went to Cabela’s and ordered a new one, which was scheduled to arrive tomorrow…

Discussion of this got real heated on my facebook page as my wife and my friend Chica got fired up about how he was an irresponsible gun owner and how they feel 0% sorry for the guy because since he had been warned about the break-ins, any murders that happen with those guns are now all his fault and how is it even legal to have that kind of arsenal anyway? Then my buddy (who is basically a frustrated insult comic, think of a short, dago Gunnar and you’re on the right track) that works with the guy was like woah woah woah you don’t know what you’re talking about and then went off on Chica (whose favorite hobby is troll baiting) because of old trolling beef they had on my facebook in April and then basically it became the amlux thread for everybody’s grandma to see.

My buddy pissed me off because he went straight to just making fat jokes about my other friend (who has a medical condition and REALLY can’t do much about it), but the things the girls were saying rubbed me the wrong way too. For one, as bleeding heart liberal as I am and sympathetic to gun control issues, supposedly everything he had was legal, he had a class 3 permit or whatever, and most of those guns were “investment” pieces and they took him for about $100,000 worth of stuff. The gun safe thing is the point of their argument, he shouldn’t have taken the guns into the house if the safe wasn’t inside- and he might still get in trouble for that. I’m halfway with them on that, but I really don’t dig the victim-blaming that goes with that (had to remind my wife hey that was US not even a year ago), it kind of smelled to me like they were saying that it wasn’t a “legitimate buglary”, you know. Like he was asking for it because the guns were wearing short skirts. He didn’t have anywhere else to go with them, maybe he made a dumb decision by not renting a storage locker for a week instead, and maybe there should be a penalty for that, but- how likely is it that you actually get robbed within FOUR DAYS of a guy you work with saying “watch out they’ll rob your ass over there.” Shit happens. And he didn’t make them kick the door in and steal his shit.

Anyways, I just hope that this shit actually gets taken seriously and they stomp that nest of cockroaches NOW THAT THE ATF ARE INVOLVED. Fuck that cross-jurisdictional bullshit that made investigating our break-in a pain. I hope they bust down the doors of every little thug in a ten mile radius! [laugh]

Oh yeah, by the way another reason (and pretty much the main one) we haven’t gone after that kid’s parents in a civil suit is that we don’t have receipts for anything that we haven’t already gotten back. Can’t prove ownership or value of the things we lost.

Wow! Locked safe or not, they broke in vs. having a key to the front door. As long as the house was locked up and there were not children in the house to access unsecured weapons, it should not matter.

When I placed my house for sale, I put everything of value in secure storage.

Wow! Locked safe or not, they broke in vs. having a key to the front door. As long as the house was locked up and there were not children in the house to access unsecured weapons, it should not matter.

Should not matter?
I think it would matter if you lived in that community.

Anyway, I’m certainly not a bleeding heart on gun control. And I wasn’t jumping on any blame-the-victim wagon. I was merely making an obvious suggestion (made more obvious in an after-the-fact scenario) about responsible gun ownership. Hindsight is 20/20, obviously, and the guy could have put them in a storage unit. But I bet (if I owned guns) I’d have done the same thing if I was the guy.

Sorry to hear that the peanut gallery aftermath turned into a lot more than it needed to. One more reason why I’m very selective about who is on my FB.

Sorry to hear that the peanut gallery aftermath turned into a lot more than it needed to. One more reason why I’m very selective about who is on my FB.

Eh, I let it go on a for quite a while because I knew they were both obviously getting something out of it. Dumb and childish, but kind of amusing to watch. Schadenfreude, Schadenfreude, dormez-vous? Dormez-vous? Like that.

Really a bit surprised that more people here on Prongs haven’t taken this opportunity to start arguing about guns in this thread. Thought for sure that topic would get a little back and forth going in this crowd.

As for gun control: guns do not kill people; people kill people. Either round up all the guns or round up all the people who own one.

Safety education begins at home. There are many of us that grew up in a house with unlocked guns and managed not to shoot ourselves or someone else because we were taught by our parents to have a healthy fear and respect for guns as well as that guns are not toys. We were also taught from an early age how to handle guns properly as well as what to do in a situation in which a friend should find one and start to play with it. At age 12, I went through firearms safety and outdoor survival training classes.

Gun control:
I’m liberal in the truest sense of the word. If. You wanna have a gun, then have a gun but I dont want one. But at least have no illusions about why you want one. Cause if you think you’re getting one for “protection” then you’re a fool. You are protecting no one with your gunn. Occasionaly we hear about some homeowner shot some burlgar and what not but those cases are few and far between.

If you think you have a gun so you can be part of the “well regulated militia” then you are an even bigger fool than the fool who thinks he’s protecting something. Because #1 we already have a well regulated and not to mention disciplined militia (its called the armed forces )and #2 you look at the warfare technology that our well regulated militia posseses and very quickly you realize that the most powerful firearm available to civilians (black market or otherwise) is nothing compared to the power and numbers in which our military posseses that power. You think your semi automatic hollow point cop killer bullets are going to do anything a against a humvee a tank or an unmanned drone? You’re a fool if so.

And this bumper sticker logic about gun control is ridiculous as well. “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” Please? So tired of an argument! can we just agree that guns make it ridiculously easy for people to kill people? Because if you want to get stupid technical you could say that guns don’t kill people but the bullet that was thrown at someone through the aid of a gun kills people. Either way we all know what’s being said so to ttack that idea that guns don’t kill people is ridiculous.

So what’s left? Top shot? Gun are toys but they’re grow up toys. No different than a dirt a bike. Some people are responsible with their grown up toys some people aren’t.
Late,
grmpysmrf

As for gun control: guns do not kill people; people kill people. Either round up all the guns or round up all the people who own one.

I think that’s an overused and oversimplified cliche that means nothing and adds nothing to a real and legitimate policy debate. Yes, people kill people . . . . but people with GUNS can kill people a lot easier, and people with a lot of guns and/or guns that fire a crap ton of bullets and mega-deadly bullets (hollow point, etc.) are able to kill a LOT of people a lot easier.

I never understood why many gun activists need to always frame this as an all-or-nothing proposition. Yes, our Constitution grants the “right to bear arms”, but I doubt Thomas Jefferson and George Washington in the 1700’s really knew that 200+ years later people would think that this RIGHT meant that any Joe Blow should be able to purchase rocket launchers, M16’s, and whatnot.

Safety education begins at home. There are many of us that grew up in a house with unlocked guns and managed not to shoot ourselves or someone else because we were taught by our parents to have a healthy fear and respect for guns as well as that guns are not toys. We were also taught from an early age how to handle guns properly as well as what to do in a situation in which a friend should find one and start to play with it. At age 12, I went through firearms safety and outdoor survival training classes.

Yeah, of course. But I don’t think this has much relevance to the controversy at hand. Just because YOUR experience was that the children were taught well and no one got hurt doesn’t mean that there’s not an inherent danger with such killing devices being unlocked in someone’s house.

And just because YOU knew how to react when you come across a gun doesn’t mean all or even most kids know what to do. And even if they do know, they’re still stupid kids and guns (or anything off limits) look pretty friggin’ awesome to a kid.

I’m pretty sure that DB’s friend did NOTHING wrong with respect to the law (I’m guessing. I honestly have no idea what the law is where he lives.) But, one simple mistake of not securing the weapons has now put 23 guns into the hands of people we don’t want having guns and people could potentially get hurt because of that.

I’m not saying that such a law is necessarily needed or would help on a grand scheme, but if it was illegal, for instance, to keep unsecured guns in one’s house, and a heavy sanction attached thereto, the chances of these guns now being scattered around his neighborhood in the hands of grimy thugging bastards would be muh lower.

And this bumper sticker logic about gun control is ridiculous as well. “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” Please? So tired of an argument! can we just agree that guns make it ridiculously easy for people to kill people? Because if you want to get stupid technical you could say that guns don’t kill people but the bullet that was thrown at someone through the aid of a gun kills people. Either way we all know what’s being said so to ttack that idea that guns don’t kill people is ridiculous.

You can pretty much replace guns with anything that a person can own or possess which has the potential to kill . . .

_________ don’t kill people, people kill people.

Tanks, landmines, nuclear bombs, grizzly bears, arsenic, anthrax, dynamite, cigarrettes, asbestos . . . .