Ministry WAS Paul Barker (don’t you mention ‘Twitch’. That was a fluke)
A lot of it was heavily Adrian Sherwood, too.
Yeh this album will especially suck for peoples outside of America, being that they A: dont care about Bush because they dont live here and B: they already know hes evil and theyre still laughing at us retards for voting him in again (and so am I, VOTE THIRD PARTY GODDAMNIT!)
those are an odd couple of statements to make. i think most non-americans are quite concerned that the most powerful nation in the world is ‘run’ by a totally incompitent idiot. and nobody could possibly laugh at the tragedy that was him getting ‘voted’ in. after all, the US doesn’t need to worry about being attacked by itself does it? the rest of the world isn’t quite so secure. al can sing about what the fuck he wants, i don’t care - as long as the choruses aren’t too tacky… you know what i’m talking about 
and who the hell is Sgt. Major?
and i can’t wait to hear Khyber Pass, lol!
…up the khyber anyone?
and who the hell is Sgt. Major?
My thoughts exactly
Track list and the album cover look great. Looking forward to May 2nd, and hearing what Tommy Victor and Paul Raven have contributed to the album.
i think most non-americans are quite concerned that the most powerful nation in the world is ‘run’ by a totally incompitent idiot.
You spelt ‘incompitent’ wrong. How’s that for irony.
after all, the US doesn’t need to worry about being attacked by itself does it?
I think the US should be more concerned with the ever increasing levels of illiteracy among its populace. Know what I’m sayin’?
and who the hell is Sgt. Major?
Whoever he is, let’s just hope he can spell, eh!?
Wow, Voidhead, I was about to rip you a new one (not that you need, or even want, a new one) until you brought up the Paul Barker thing. People don’t seem to realize that the “Weird, electronic” side of Ministry WAS Paul Barker (don’t you mention ‘Twitch’. That was a fluke), while the heavy, supposedly dark side of it was Al. Subtract a certain half, and what do we have? No, go on, guess! Somebody…wanna guess? Hello?
As for myself, I loves some Jello vocals. I’m just scared that that one song will be the ONLY thing I like on the new album. I was really starting to get excited about the new Revco release, and look what happened. That’ll teach me to dream!
Hmmm I think Paul had more to do with the “darkness” of Ministry than Al did. I think his sinister bass lines really give a lot of tracks that dark feel more than anything. Just listen to Pink Anvil, where tracks like “Desert” have that downright evil vibe with Paul’s brilliant basslines.
Al Jourgensen is more about anger than being sinister. He brought the aggression and punk idealism and the hard rock sensibilities that will always ensure that Ministry is accessible to a larger audience.
As for Twitch, I think at one point Al might have had a sense of innovation to him that has since expired. And yeah, I bet Shirwood played a big part too…
And yeah I’ve heard my share of punk rock.
Boredoms, Clash, Sex Pistols, Ramones, Dead Kennedies, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds (or is that horror punk, lol)
Just doesn’t do it for me.
And yes the majority of it IS about childish idealistic leftwing fantasies of rebellion or some kind of utopian bullshit socialist message.
It claims to be so fucking subversive and yet all the little punk faggots hated Throbbing Gristle and Suicide because that music ACTUALLY WAS subversive and challenging.
For the most part I find that these early punks are people who have faith in humanity…who think people are generally good, and that power is often in the hands of a few bad seeds.
Industrial and Noise to me represents a more realistic perspective, celebrating apathy and nihilism not as some cool fad of independence or rebellion but as a kind of escapism. The message is amoral.
When Genesis P. Orridge talks about a burn victim in “Hamburger Lady”, there is no hint of sympathy in his voice…he is simply drawing on dark subject matter and commenting apathetically.
The result is something cold and inhuman, and that’s how I like music.
The closest I usually come to punk is goth rock shit like Bauhaus. Obviously in this case I’m being a bit hypocritical because the subject matter of goth is very emotional and hardly cold or apathetic.
I just like the darker tones of the music better.
I’m not saying punk is bad…it’s just too upbeat, too energetic, too passionate to fit my personality.
To put it simpler: Punks believe in soemthing, and maybe Rivets are just assholes who believe in nothing and are selfish.
Also I find Punk’s claim at subversion so hilarious that I can’t help but hate on it. They didn’t reinvent the wheel. They just took classic rock 'n roll and made it simpler and younger sounding, Big fuckin deal.
Is it any wonder that after only a short time these “deviant punk rockers” are considered legendary rock artists and The Ramones fit snugly into mainstream alternative radio?
When every alternative rock radio darling starts citing Throbbing Gristle as an influence and every indie faggot with a long haircut who thinks they can play guitar is blasting Whitehouse in their dorm room, then it will be time for me to move on.
Sure it’s starting to happen now (I can’t deny it) but it will be a long time yet before Industrial becomes as irrelevant as Punk.
Who’s Sgt. Major, on Gangreen?
he is a retired marine drill sgt from paris island…he is the real deal and he is fabulous!
luvs,
mrsjay
Al Jourgensen is more about anger than being sinister.
He is no different from the majority of left wing artistic types- They cannot handle authority under any guise and consider themselves ‘victims’ whose thoughts and ideals are ‘suppressed’ and will employ threats and violence against individuals who ‘dare’ to challenge their whimsical and often misguided viewpoints
Hence the ‘tough guy’ rebel image that has always superceded punk rock. Bite the hand that feeds. Childish, but there you go.
And yes the majority of it IS about childish idealistic leftwing fantasies of rebellion or some kind of utopian bullshit socialist message.
Yeah. Agreed. Fight for what you believe in. Just don’t lose yr place in the dole queue.
It claims to be so fucking subversive and yet all the little punk faggots hated Throbbing Gristle and Suicide because that music ACTUALLY WAS subversive and challenging.
TG doesn’t have a 1-2-3-4 beat. So all the little punkers couldn’t get their heads around it. Like the small minded gits that they are.
Man, I HATED English ‘punk rock’ while growing up. Fucking Clash, The Damded and The Pistols made me fucking puke. So choreographed! Everything - the look, the stance, the mock violence. Such a bunch of preening peacocks.
Seriously, I find Simon And Garfunkle more challenging to the ‘norm’.
Industrial and Noise to me represents a more realistic perspective, celebrating apathy and nihilism not as some cool fad of independence or rebellion but as a kind of escapism. The message is amoral.
Yeah. For the same reasons I enjoy artists like Autechre etc- where the ‘human’ element, the ‘ego’ so to speak, is all but completely eradicated.
Also I find Punk’s claim at subversion so hilarious. Is it any wonder that after only a short time these “deviant punk rockers” are considered legendary rock artists and The Ramones fit snugly into mainstream alternative radio?
I don’t think the Ramones ever tried to be subversive though. They were more like the New York Dolls or something. They were both dark and glamorous to begin with. So were The Smiths.
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College pin heads blasting New Britain or Buchenwald on their stereos as they cruise the streetsin their Alfa Romeos, looking for burgers and picking up chicks?
Priceless.
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i think most non-americans are quite concerned that the most powerful nation in the world is ‘run’ by a totally incompitent idiot.
You spelt ‘incompitent’ wrong. How’s that for irony.
after all, the US doesn’t need to worry about being attacked by itself does it?
I think the US should be more concerned with the ever increasing levels of illiteracy among its populace. Know what I’m sayin’?
and who the hell is Sgt. Major?
Whoever he is, let’s just hope he can spell, eh!?[/reply]
lol! when you add in the fact that i’m an english teacher it’s quite funny. i wonder how many times you spell checked your post, though? [;)] i never bothered, it’s just the interwebs after all…
everyone should be concerned about the level of literacy within their own country, but that wasn’t the point of my post. and i’m pleased to see someone who cares so much about education.
anyway, the US has a lot to be concerned about regarding itself, not just education. it would be nice if the government actually tried raising the overall awareness of americans about the ‘outside’ world too.
i’m not american, but my business partner is and so’s my best mate. a texan, no less. so i have nothing against americans, i think they’re great.
i don’t think al screens potential cocks for spelling ability. in fact, it might even be an advantage to be an illiterate redneck if in revco, eh?
god some people are stupid as hell. Ok ministry has always had left wing punk rockish lyrics. Even twitch… go read the lyrics to We believe, Just like you, and Isle of man.
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The closest I usually come to punk is goth rock shit like Bauhaus. Obviously in this case I’m being a bit hypocritical because the subject matter of goth is very emotional and hardly cold or apathetic.
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Goth music is entrenched in apathy, thats what most of it is all about. All this pseudo tragic bullshit… complete and utter apathy.
People don’t seem to realize that the “Weird, electronic” side of Ministry WAS Paul Barker (don’t you mention ‘Twitch’. That was a fluke), while the heavy, supposedly dark side of it was Al.
I disagree.
I think Paul was the wicked and heavy side of ministry. (Have you seen LAVA live ?). And It seems to me that the filth pig sound is mainly due to Paul.
Al is the fast/thrash, ironic, politic side.
I may be wrong… I don’t live with the guys…
As for the electronic side, I think both are good. Paul seems to be better at computer stuff. But obviously al know how to use a sampler and that’s enough for industrial music…
I think Al alone doesn’t spend enough time in the studio.songs
The songs in the last release are not bad but they 've been released too quickly.
And It seems to me that the filth pig sound is mainly due to Paul.
and Godflesh
god some people are stupid as hell. Ok ministry has always had left wing punk rockish lyrics. Even twitch… go read the lyrics to We believe, Just like you, and Isle of man.
Right which is why I have said time and again I do not like a lot of Ministry lyrics.
And by the way at least half of the time the lyrics are not punk rockish or political, but instead are more in a heavy metal vein about nonsense really and “evil shit”
Yeah I can relate to that. The best lyrics Ministry ever had were Connellys…
With this said, some of the “punkish” lyrics they had arent total shit. I really like “Hero” for example. The thing is, when you have angry, thrashy music, you really need to have this kind of lyrics… They just fit the style well and their angry nature makes you want to mosh more during concerts… And I dont listen to Ministry like they are some kinds of prophets or artistic geniuses. They are just one of the bands I listen to and I quite like the particular kind of anger they offer. For good lyrics, I can always listen to something else.
I dont think there is anything wrong with having a well defined style and theme. That is what makes rock work…
paul wasn’t that flashy as a bassist… if anything, most of his basslines could’ve been picked up by any mongoloid… but they gave a certain something to ministry songs that no other band had. they emphasised the eeriness, the repitition and added to the sonic qualities of the song, with the constantly pounding bass…
and punk?
punk fucking ended with gg allin. he was the only true punk there ever was. punk isn’t about a political statement. it’s not about anything. it’s just uneducated dumb cunts with 5 bucks to their name picking up instruments and punching on.
and the sex pistols. they just did as they fucking pleased. they hated everything.
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i think most non-americans are quite concerned that the most powerful nation in the world is ‘run’ by a totally incompitent idiot.
You spelt ‘incompitent’ wrong. How’s that for irony.
after all, the US doesn’t need to worry about being attacked by itself does it?
I think the US should be more concerned with the ever increasing levels of illiteracy among its populace. Know what I’m sayin’?
and who the hell is Sgt. Major?
Whoever he is, let’s just hope he can spell, eh!?[/reply]
For some reason, I thought your next post would be more about your nickname used in a Ministry title. Can I call you Senor Peligro? 
paul wasn’t that flashy as a bassist… if anything, most of his basslines could’ve been picked up by any mongoloid… but they gave a certain something to ministry songs that no other band had. they emphasised the eeriness, the repitition and added to the sonic qualities of the song, with the constantly pounding bass…
Another great example - Eric Avery, ex-Jane’s Addiction
love it or hate it, if it weren’t for punk, Ministry may not exist right now.
If we’re talking about “punk” , or whatever you can call it…love me some Stooges and MC5 [cool]
And early Alice Cooper 