this thread is retarded. grump, i’ve lost faith in your political compass.
talking politics on the internet is so useless.
this thread is retarded. grump, i’ve lost faith in your political compass.
talking politics on the internet is so useless.
???
The only point I was making in this whole thread I that democrats are less likey to rush in to war. That’s all. I don’t know much about theisrael palestein conflict other than they have been fighting for a gazillion years… I even write I have no worldly knowledge on the subject… its cool though I’m no leader just a dude on a chatboard with opinions, lots of 'em. I’m actually flattered you would consider my ramblings.
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grmpysmrf.
[reply]this thread is retarded. grump, i’ve lost faith in your political compass.
talking politics on the internet is so useless.
???
The only point I was making in this whole thread I that democrats are less likey to rush in to war. That’s all. I don’t know much about theisrael palestein conflict other than they have been fighting for a gazillion years… I even write I have no worldly knowledge on the subject… its cool though I’m no leader just a dude on a chatboard with opinions, lots of 'em. I’m actually flattered you would consider my ramblings.
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grmpysmrf.[/reply]
If iran were anywhere close to securing nukes we’d give them a bird’s eye view of what one looks like. I’m not concerned aout their ability to make one.
this is something i would expect from a inbred redneck :P.
it saddens me to see you’ve bought into the media hype about iran.
[reply][reply]this thread is retarded. grump, i’ve lost faith in your political compass.
talking politics on the internet is so useless.
???
The only point I was making in this whole thread I that democrats are less likey to rush in to war. That’s all. I don’t know much about theisrael palestein conflict other than they have been fighting for a gazillion years… I even write I have no worldly knowledge on the subject… its cool though I’m no leader just a dude on a chatboard with opinions, lots of 'em. I’m actually flattered you would consider my ramblings.
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grmpysmrf.[/reply]
If iran were anywhere close to securing nukes we’d give them a bird’s eye view of what one looks like. I’m not concerned aout their ability to make one.
this is something i would expect from a inbred redneck :P.
it saddens me to see you’ve bought into the media hype about iran.[/reply]
I think you misread me. I’m not saying we should drop a nuke on iran. What I am saying is that the us probably will if it comes to that. I’m anti nukes. I think no one should have them. but that isn’t the situation.
if the government is faced with dropping a bomb on iran or letting them actually get a bomb I think the us would drop it no matter which party is in office. Although I do think repubs would be quicker to drop it than the Dems. this reasoning desnt come from my desire to see iran nuked it comes from the arguments that I’ve gathered from various sources.
As far as I’m concerned the us could seal team 6 some important people over there and have the project terminated if they are indeed trying to build a bomb. I do happen to believe they are developing energy sources because it would be in the us’s best interest to intervene if it was anything other than that. And by intervene I don’t mean dropping a bomb. But as you correctly pointed dropping it would be what the media is pushing for.
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grmpysmrf
[reply][reply][reply]this thread is retarded. grump, i’ve lost faith in your political compass.
talking politics on the internet is so useless.
???
The only point I was making in this whole thread I that democrats are less likey to rush in to war. That’s all. I don’t know much about theisrael palestein conflict other than they have been fighting for a gazillion years… I even write I have no worldly knowledge on the subject… its cool though I’m no leader just a dude on a chatboard with opinions, lots of 'em. I’m actually flattered you would consider my ramblings.
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grmpysmrf.[/reply]
If iran were anywhere close to securing nukes we’d give them a bird’s eye view of what one looks like. I’m not concerned aout their ability to make one.
this is something i would expect from a inbred redneck :P.
it saddens me to see you’ve bought into the media hype about iran.[/reply]
I think you misread me. I’m not saying we should drop a nuke on iran. What I am saying is that the us probably will if it comes to that. I’m anti nukes. I think no one should have them. but that isn’t the situation.
if the government is faced with dropping a bomb on iran or letting them actually get a bomb I think the us would drop it no matter which party is in office. Although I do think repubs would be quicker to drop it than the Dems. this reasoning desnt come from my desire to see iran nuked it comes from the arguments that I’ve gathered from various sources.
As far as I’m concerned the us could seal team 6 some important people over there and have the project terminated if they are indeed trying to build a bomb. I do happen to believe they are developing energy sources because it would be in the us’s best interest to intervene if it was anything other than that. And by intervene I don’t mean dropping a bomb. But as you correctly pointed dropping it would be what the media is pushing for.
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ahh, my bad. sounded like you wanted them bombed. i don’t think the states are crazy enough to drop a nuclear bomb on iran - no matter what the situation - because iran is not a threat. the international community would not allow it. this isn’t ww2.
north korea talks about invading south korea fairly often, and no one bombed them when they were making a nuclear weapon :P. so fucking xenophobic.
north korea talks about invading south korea fairly often, and no one bombed them when they were making a nuclear weapon :P.
invading a country and openly threatening (for years now) to completely obliterate an entire ethnic population, I think, are two different things. But I get your point about the international community, (and you’re probably right, although the us had no support globally for Iraq and we did it any way. So peer pressure isn’t always a fail safe way to keep the US in check)… I’m pretty sure North Korea has no nukes. Kim jong il tried to say they did before he died… they pretended to fire a rocket, it never exploded or it blew up on the launch pad or some shit but unless my info is out dated nobody believes North Korea has nukes
so fucking xenophobic.
Fear is an excellent motivator, you keep fear going by dumbing down education. People fear what they don’t know, you keep people stupid then there is much they don’t know which means much to be afraid of!
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I’m in agreement on the “fuck Israel” line. The Jewish people have been terribly treated in the past, but now the state of Israel is one of the world’s biggest bullies, backed to the hilt by the US, sadly. They’re 2 different things, the Jewish people and the state of Israel - an important distinction to make in case you’re accused of being antisemitic. I have nothing against Jewish people, but Israel is a terrorist state whose only goal is to destroy their neighbours and steal their land. I would wager that many Jewish people would be against what Israel does, too, how could any right-thinking person not be? This allowing Israel to do what they want will backfire against the US, the govt supporting and condoning their actions invites Israel’s many enemies to be enemies of the US as well. It’s all very fucked up.
Israel is a terrorist state whose only goal is to destroy their neighbours and steal their land.
Here’s where my knowledge ends. I didn’t know Israel wanted to increase their land. I thought they wanted to be left alone on the land they have but continued to fight or retaliate out of self preservation.
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Yeah, their hardline settlers are basically breaking international law by moving into land that doesn’t belong to them, but nothing’s ever done. They start with a small outpost and expand. Some of these guys are ultra-religious nutcases. I don’t care what the religion, to me hardline zealots are absolute twats. I’ve seen a few news reports about them, there are plenty of people in Israel who think what thee guys are doing is wrong, but they are drowned out by the war-loving extremists.
And as if by magic, Netanyahu proves my point, the war-mongering evil bastard. This was on Yahoo UK’s front page just now.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/netanyahu-brushes-off-world-condemnation-settlement-plans-143822962.html
And as if by magic, Netanyahu proves my point, the war-mongering evil bastard. This was on Yahoo UK’s front page just now.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/netanyahu-brushes-off-world-condemnation-settlement-plans-143822962.html
Thanks for the info.
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yup, they announced new settlements as soon as palestine won the UN bid :P. even the U.S condemns them (although not nearly as strongly as they should).
Two countries that were essentially crippled by the United States in the 1940’s, Japan and Germany…THRIVE today. In fact, they are as strong now as they were in the past. Here’s the key to all this - they didn’t rely on our assistance to re-build their infrastructure. Not wholly, at least, or at least over half a century later.
So, what does that tell you?
Two countries that were essentially crippled by the United States in the 1940’s, Japan and Germany…THRIVE today. In fact, they are as strong now as they were in the past. Here’s the key to all this - they didn’t rely on our assistance to re-build their infrastructure. Not wholly, at least, or at least over half a century later.
So, what does that tell you?
I don’t know about Germany but the US had definitely given large amounts of aid to Japan after WWII. It’s just a different culture and given Japan’s geographic location self reliance was essential to their survival prior to WWII. So, why would they forget self reliance after WWII? Japan would’ve bounced back but the fact that the US provided aid just means they bounced back faster… How long has Israel been self reliant? Have they ever been?
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During the elections the Israelis backed Romney because they thought he’d be more of a friend to them. I hope that backfires on them in a big way. I’d love to see them fighting on their own for once, they’re like a kid who starts a fight and then hides behind the big brother’s legs, calling names.
During the elections the Israelis backed Romney because they thought he’d be more of a friend to them. I hope that backfires on them in a big way. I’d love to see them fighting on their own for once, they’re like a kid who starts a fight and then hides behind the big brother’s legs, calling names.
This sheds a little more light on the israel doesn’t it? Especially with how quickly repubs are eager to fight. Or rather send someone else to fight for them.
I think your analogy sounds fitting. I’m reminded of the old bugs bunny cartoons where the little dog keeps running around the big pit bull talking about how tough THEY are.
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Hahaha, yeah, “Lemme at 'em!! Lemme at 'em!!”
Just searched WWIII to see if we already had a thread for it. I’m legit nervous this time. I hadn’t thought about complete nuclear destruction in a long time, but it’s back in my consciousness now.
I was watching some news report last night and the idiot reporter said that the removal of Russia / Putin from the SWIFT banking system was “the nuclear option” using the metaphor as if that was the most extreme thing that could be done. Uhhh, no it’s not. Can we not use “nuclear” as a metaphor when the “nuclear option” is literally a nuclear option. And isolating and poking Putin could potentially elicit that option in the end. I really hope that it never comes to that, but, I don’t know. Maybe I’ve got way too many residual feels from growing up with this looming threat.
Honestly, as a kid and young man, I always looked weirdly optimistic at the idea of a post-nuclear world. I was hard wired for the Mad Max Wasteland. I wanted to wear leather and drive a modified dune buggy in search of water and guzzoline, laying booby traps for mutants along the way. But, as a married man at 48, all that is no longer the future I long for. Apocalypse is a young man’s game, I guess.
Anyway, prayers and hope to all the people of Ukraine and other areas. I do not think this will remain solely in the Ukraine, though. I think shit’s gonna get a lot uglier. I will be glad to be wrong about it.
I am right there with you. This last week has brought back similar feelings growing up in the 80s. Movies like “The Day After” and “Testament” made a lasting impression on me as a teenager. I hope Putin’s closest allies, if he has any, can talk him out of this madness.
Putin underestimated the resistance of the Ukraine people and that the West would coordinate a response so quickly. However, I worry that Putin will look for an excuse to “push the button” as a way of going out in a blaze of glory if he can’t get his way. He’s likely going to need an exit strategy where he can save face with his own people - who have to know by now that everything he says is B.S.
The rhetoric from Russia (and Belarus) is really ramping up today.
I’m just kind of numb and have such a crushing sense of dread.
I really do hope I’m just being paranoid.
I was watching early 80’s news coverage of how much our nation was gripped by the 1983 “The Day After” movie and it was noted that, if launched, nuclear warheads would reach us in about 30 minutes. I can’t even wrap my head around it.