Can anyone hook me up with a good MP3 of the original recording of “Primental” from the “Cold Life” EP?
Darn, i thought i had a good copy of it somewhere. I´d like to think it would be found on the twelve inch singles disc but noooo. sorry
thanks, gila. been a while since I heard this song…I really like it. nice funk bass mixed with some cold synths…can’t go wrong.
Haven’t heard that in a while. My first real recording session. I can’t remember what else was recorded at the time…doesn’t seem possible to go into the studio to record an instrumental and not at least start work on another song.
The studio was Hedden West in Schaumburg that much I remember.
Haven’t heard that in a while. My first real recording session. I can’t remember what else was recorded at the time…doesn’t seem possible to go into the studio to record an instrumental and not at least start work on another song.
The studio was Hedden West in Schaumburg that much I remember.
Thanks for the info wempathy.
sure thing
http://gila.coil.ru/primental.mp3
converted straight from lossless rip of Cold Life 12’’
Thanks Gila! Outstanding quality too.
I have to say…I like this version better than the completed “I Wanted To Tell Her”. Not sure when/where Al came up with the lyrics…although Primental makes a great karaoke version for IWTTH.
i love the quiet “woo!!!” at the very end of it. also the bootlegs from 1982 shows (until with sympathy got released) show that ministry used synth bass instead of a “proper” one like in the studio version. this was subject for some other songs, even cold life and i’m falling.
i love the quiet “woo!!!” at the very end of it. also the bootlegs from 1982 shows (until with sympathy got released) show that ministry used synth bass instead of a “proper” one like in the studio version. this was subject for some other songs, even cold life and i’m falling.
Marty Sorensen was still in the band at the time Primental was recorded so it must have been early on…January/Feb of 82 I’m guessing. After Marty left, we had no ‘proper’ bass player so I had to play bass parts on synth, unless it was a sequenced bass (SOM, Revenge) in which case Al programmed a Sequential Circuits Pro-One on the fly. Except for Primental live where Al played synth bass.
After listening to it a few more times, I’m pretty sure that JD played the string part, Al played the ‘horn bursts’ and I played the bit that’s the response to the horn burst and the ascending lick that starts around 2:12. And we all did handclaps. I remember now too that we stayed out in Barrington at the house of one of the engineers overnight so that we didn’t have to trek all the way back into the city the next day, possibly next two days. Wish I could remember what else we worked on. Possibly the Cold Life Dub I suppose.
Horn bursts - Juno 60?
Ascending melody - Jupiter 8?
Roland drum machine or was Stevo playing drums here?
‘I Wanted To Tell Her’ makes me want to dance at an 80s disco, ‘Primental’ makes me want to make a film set exclusively in the 80s.
I have a question for wemp (and other musicians working in the 80s):
Does all the nostagia of the past decade or so for the 1980s mean anything to you? Do you look back at that time and think of it fondly or is the “romanticisation” of it exaggerated?
I’ve asked this to other people before and much of them have more negative things to say about the time as they were usually struggling with money and what not. Would you prefer to be in a band now than in the 80s? [Setting aside the obvious fashion implications of such a question, concentrate moreso on the appeal of your music to the audience at the given time, the format of the music (80s: vinyl & tapes, 00s: cd & digital), and so on.]
Also who’s cooler: Sonny Crockett or Jimmy McNulty?
Horn bursts - Juno 60?
Ascending melody - Jupiter 8?
Roland drum machine or was Stevo playing drums here?
Horn bursts - Double tracked with an occasional harmony…probably on a Moog Opus 3 and/or SC Pro-One. Al really knew the ins and outs of the Pro-One and could get great sequenced bass sounds as well as brass sounds out of it. I think it was JD that had the Opus 3 and a Roland RS-09, but Al sometimes used the Opus 3 in the studio.
Ascending melody - Either a Moog Rogue, or a Moog Source. Not sure when I got the Source to replace the Rogue so it’s difficult to say.
That’s Stevo.
I have a question for wemp (and other musicians working in the 80s):
Does all the nostagia of the past decade or so for the 1980s mean anything to you? Do you look back at that time and think of it fondly or is the “romanticisation” of it exaggerated? ?
There’s an 80’s nostalgia kick going on? Now? I had no idea. I can really only comment on the first half of the 80’s since I got married and '84 and started a family shortly thereafter but personally, I really didn’t identify with the Pop culture of the 80’s so I’d say it’s a bit exaggerated. My musical roots were more 70’s…Eno, Roxy Music, Gong, Soft Machine, Kraftwerk even some prog like King Crimson and the early Genesis stuff…so Yaz, the Thompson Twins and Culture Club meant zero to me anyway.
I’ve asked this to other people before and much of them have more negative things to say about the time as they were usually struggling with money and what not. Would you prefer to be in a band now than in the 80s? [Setting aside the obvious fashion implications of such a question, concentrate moreso on the appeal of your music to the audience at the given time, the format of the music (80s: vinyl & tapes, 00s: cd & digital), and so on.]
Probably now. The buying public is more savvy now and the media is easier to access so it’s probably easier find your audience these days. It was more hit and miss in the 80’s. On the other hand, in the 80’s, the audience was likely to have more varied tastes. Technically speaking, I would have loved to have had a small demo studio at home in the 80’s. It would have given me a bit more leverage. But home studios were almost unheard of back then.
Also who’s cooler: Sonny Crockett or Jimmy McNulty?
I’ve never watched either show, but it would be difficult to be less cool than Crockett.
it would be difficult to be less cool than Crockett.
[laugh]
One night a few years ago, while on holidays around the Greek islands, I got a temp. tattoo of “Crockett” down one arm and “Smooth” down the other… as one might guess I was not about my wits that night and spent the next morning looking at them shaking my sore head. But the next night after I was once again beered up and supposedly was overheard to be exclaiming to random folk just how cool my tattoos were… good times.
It’s not as bad as another guy I know who went to Vegas and got a tattoo of “Geebag” on his arse, only his was permanent. Apparently it was a case of “tattoo rape” whereby the victim is dragged, against his rational faculties, and subjected to the most embarassing tattoo possible while he drifts in and out of consciousness.
Thanks anyway for the feedback wemp.
King Crimson are the best, listening to THRAK right now.
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I have a question for wemp (and other musicians working in the 80s):
Does all the nostagia of the past decade or so for the 1980s mean anything to you? Do you look back at that time and think of it fondly or is the “romanticisation” of it exaggerated? ?
There’s an 80’s nostalgia kick going on? Now? I had no idea. I can really only comment on the first half of the 80’s since I got married and '84 and started a family shortly thereafter but personally, I really didn’t identify with the Pop culture of the 80’s so I’d say it’s a bit exaggerated. My musical roots were more 70’s…Eno, Roxy Music, Gong, Soft Machine, Kraftwerk even some prog like King Crimson and the early Genesis stuff…so Yaz, the Thompson Twins and Culture Club meant zero to me anyway.
Listening to Gong - 1975 - Shamal…pretty cool (Cat In Clark’s Shoes grooves) but I thought it would be more prog.[/reply]
Listening to Gong - 1975 - Shamal…pretty cool (Cat In Clark’s Shoes grooves) but I thought it would be more prog.
I should have specified the Daevid Allen/Steve Hillage driven Radio Gnome trilogy.
listening to the first few releases…much spaceier…strange stuff but I’m diggin it.