I was lucky enough to catch the latest Cocks tour in San Francisco. I hope those other fans got to catch it. If you couldn’t, I don’t mean to rub it in, but it’s as close at you’re going to get to seeing (what I think) is the true revolting cocks. It was really cool to meet all the guys. Richard 23 even. They were all really nice, they smiled the whole time. Yea, it was business - but it was good business. Anyway…
So that experience has kind of gotten me back listening and thinking abut some of the early cocks stuff. And I sort of figured out some points that I wanted to share. And I’ll start off to pretty much say that, I think that the Revolting cocks started as basically al’s Front 242 band. Even on Al’s first album tour videos we see the Front 242 sticker on his guitar. Something else that really didn’t click with me (until now) is that Luc Van Acker is the guy who does all the guitar sounds for front 242. I didn’t really know that. I watched that Front 242 documentary (i shared here a while back) and noticed the Luc stuff. so if you look at those points you could see that revco started as Al’s own front 242.
what do you guys think?
p.s. - i know , i know - could be said as loose claims, but i just don’t feel like typing out a whole friggin book and i think you guys catch my drift.
I was about to unload on you as I’d forgotten that there was that recent mini-tour with “Cocks’ Members”. Who all was on that lineup? Barker, Connelly, Luc Van Acker?
I would have probably checked that out if it came near me.
I honestly thought at first that you were talking about that jibber jabber from a few years back with Josh, Murv, and Sin. Admittedly, though, while it took a $2 CD sale (13th Planet clearance) and 7 years for me to give them a chance . . . . . “Sexxx-O Olympic-O” is actually a pretty cool album. I don’t at all consider it a Revolting Cocks album, but it’s pretty groovy, nonetheless.
I always just thought it was more of a little “playground” of sorts for Al, so he could explore more goofball shit and just fuck around without having to really care about whether it fit with Ministry’s message, image, or theme. And that sorta “party” vibe also carries through the overall sonic aspect of Revolting Cocks too . . . . so much of it is just fucked up grimy disco and funk. It just makes you wanna get loaded and perv out in the slimiest and darkest of ways. I always loved the dark degenerate feel of Revolting Cocks. A really perfect blend of overly horny but very sinister.
When they put out that nu-Revco shit, so much of it just fell so flat with me. It was missing the dark and sinister half and often just felt more like stupid drunken frat boys high-fiving about boobies.
Technically he was only a “producer” on the first stuff. It was really Luc and R23’s project with Al producing it. I always got the impression that he just sort of took over as time went on.
Technically he was only a “producer” on the first stuff. It was really Luc and R23’s project with Al producing it. I always got the impression that he just sort of took over as time went on.
Interesting! I never paid attention and always thought he was member/founder/leader, etc.
If he really was just “producer” on the initial stuff it actually makes that stupid nu-RevCo stuff around 2007-2014 to be pretty consistently in line with his plans and vision.
So maybe I was more of an acidic asshole than fitting for the situation. Oh well.
I think you’re a lazy prick who didn’t take the time to read Al’s book. The answers are there.[/reply]
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
It’s been about 4 years since I’ve read it, and, while I appreciate your sentiment, I will say that, even those of us who did read and enjoy the book took it with a “grain” of salt. I’m not sure what the Scientific definition of “grain of salt” is, but for this scenario I’m assuming grains can take the form of large solid salt mountains.
Anyway, if there really is something in there that directly clarifies, contradicts, or confirms any of the jibber jabber in this thread just tell us what’s up.
I think you’re a lazy prick who didn’t take the time to read Al’s book. The answers are there.[/reply]
One thing I learned from Al’s book is that he almost certainly spends a lot time drunkenly singing “Against All Odds” while looking at pictures of Paul and sobbing uncontrollably.
Technically he was only a “producer” on the first stuff. It was really Luc and R23’s project with Al producing it. I always got the impression that he just sort of took over as time went on.
There was also Patrick Codenys on keyboards according to discogs. And these drum samples were made by Keith LeBlanc.
Technically he was only a “producer” on the first stuff. It was really Luc and R23’s project with Al producing it. I always got the impression that he just sort of took over as time went on.
yea, this is one of the things i was thinking about when i was thinking about this. (al just pretty much being producer) i wasn’t sure if i heard that at the cocks show or here.
I recall the story of 2008-2011 Revco being conspicuously absent from Al’s book.
I think you’re right.
As I recall it was basically brushed through while discussing other stuff . . . . with one line of backwash like, “And in that time we also put out 2 more Revco albums” or something of the sort.
[reply]Technically he was only a “producer” on the first stuff. It was really Luc and R23’s project with Al producing it. I always got the impression that he just sort of took over as time went on.
yea, this is one of the things i was thinking about when i was thinking about this. (al just pretty much being producer) i wasn’t sure if i heard that at the cocks show or here.[/reply]
Yeah, but he was in the promo photos. I think his involvement was greater than sitting around and doing drugs. If I recall he just got the Fairlight and they learned to use it on this album.
On the credits for the No Devotion 12" (the first release), Revco are credited as Luc and R23. Right under them, Al is shown as “producer”. Al’s never been one to shy away from credit, so I think it’s safe to say he only produced the first 12".
I don’t think Josh, Clay, and Sin were happy with the way their version of RevCo ended. Obviously Sin got over it, but the other two guys haven’t had anything to do with Al since then.
[reply]Something I just noticed: https://www.facebook.com/therevoltingcocks/ currently belongs to The Cocks (Richard, Luc, Chris, and Paul), rather than Al and Sin’s Revco.
I don’t think Josh, Clay, and Sin were happy with the way their version of RevCo ended. Obviously Sin got over it, but the other two guys haven’t had anything to do with Al since then.[/reply]
Clay did. He did a tour or two after Revco ended, didn’t he?