Surprisingly positive, especially considering it’s Pitchfork. They even say positive things about that Roadhouse Blues cover. Hmm.
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/49192-the-last-sucker
The Last Sucker isn’t as huge as Psalm 69, but it is Ministry’s most exciting record since.
Say what?!
Eh. They’re the same ones who gave 0.0 to some of the best albums by the Flaming Lips and John Frusciante. Record reviewers are no more qualified to do reviews than you or I.
Eh. They’re the same ones who gave 0.0 to some of the best albums by the Flaming Lips…
The Flaming Lips have good albums? I have two “Hit To Death In The Future Head” and “In A Priest Driven Ambulance” both those albums SUCK and I swore that band off!
Late,
grmpysmrf
C’mon, Al there are certainly enough curious, intelligent, non-Psalm 69-ers, in this country to support a new direction.
Apparently the new RevCo will have a '70s glam feel.
So be careful what you wish for.
I liked The Last Sucker, so I don’t mind this review.
What is disburbing about lazy reviews like this one, and what makes it more significant than the usual far too generous review to which hapless readers have become inured, is it’s concentrated effect on the industrial community and it’s impact on the public’s perception of industrial music.
No. Stosuy’s review does not once refer to Ministry as “industrial.” He references nu metal twice. Shouldn’t you be more worried about the impact on the public’s perception of nu metal?
Whatever niggardly impact this recent review emphasizing the final evolution of Ministry may have on the public conciousness will easily be wiped out by the avalanche of more infantile junk to come outta Jourgensens’s 13th Planet stable. “Legitimate” industiral acts like these will only reinforce the public’s perception of industrial music as the exclusive province of of likable angst filled juvenilia.
Why complain about albums that don’t even exist yet? 13th Planet’s catalogue right now is just an album or two each from four bands (Ministry, RevCo, Prong, AotW), hardly an “avalanche.” I don’t think it was Jourgensen’s intent for 13th Planet to be an industrial label, because I don’t see him signing any truly industrial bands to it…
Thanks to shit like this the growth of industrial music IMO has been severley stunted in large measure by it’s reputation among the general population as intrinsically adolescent in appeal and execution.
How many 13th Planet albums are even going to register in the awareness of the general population? I don’t know what bands the average person would even name as examples of “industrial” anymore.
Which bands? What are you talking about?
Hypothetical bands, possibly.
Does Jizzwad expect all bands to have “fierce commitment to the artistic ideals spawned by industrial music,” whether they claim to or not? Is USSA committed to the artistic ideals spawned by industrial music? Jesu? Meshuggah? Those bands must all suck, right?
I think Metropolis Records is harming industrial music way more than 13th Planet is. They do release an avalanche of CDs, much of their music is embarassingly juvenile, and the label does have an association of releasing only “industrial” (industrial-music.com still redirects to Metropolis), although I admit they’ve been counteracting that lately.
I can’t see how anyone could even compare 13th Planet to Metropolis. All 13th Planet is is a label for Al and his friends to screw around with, seems just about it. Metropolis is an ebm/industrial label.
And yeah, a majority of the metropolis stuff is a bit bland, isn’t it?
Just popped over to Metropolis’ website for the first time in ages.
They’re re-releasing Excessive Force. Good for them. Sopor Aeternus is on Metropolis now? That’s certainly interesting…
EDIT: I see. Sopor Aeternus is just on the mailorder list, not the label.
I respect that metropolis is trying to be the next wax trax, which is pretty obvious. You have some stuff on there that’s either really good, or absolutely unbearable; but I consider that variety in some ways. So I can’t knock them. They seem to give just about anyone a platform just about, and I believe it’s only ran by maybe five or six people max, which is pretty damn impressive with all of the releases they usually have.
industrial music is dead
live with it
industrial rock/metal (ie. Ministry, NIN, SP etc.) is dying also.
sadly Ministry and NIN are to blame for this (along with other bands who took industrial-influenced music to the ‘mainstream’).
The original industrial movement was born out of various artistic cooperatives, the ‘thinking man’s punk’ in a way. That was ages ago and nobody cares anymore. What people call industrial these days has very little to do with the original ideals, manifestos and what have you.
There is plenty of quality experimental music out there right now that in fact shares ideas with the original industrial movement (I’m thinking of some noise-related genres, a lot of electronic music, some post-rock kind of stuff, drone, “avant-garde” black metal etc.) so industrial fans should really be listening to that kind of stuff, without worrying too much about labels.
industrial music is dead
live with it
The ‘industrial’ genre more or less peaked in 1979 and has been growing more cold and stale ever since. It peaked when Neubauten made ‘Autobahn’ - I mean, how do you go about topping music made with jackhammers and earth moving machinery? How do you possibly get more ‘industrial’ than that ?? Occasionally some group will come along to stoke the flames a little by injecting something new into the genre, but then it just becomes a bastardization of something pure.
There is plenty of quality experimental music out there right now that in fact shares ideas with the original industrial movement (I’m thinking of some noise-related genres, a lot of electronic music, some post-rock kind of stuff, drone, “avant-garde” black metal etc.) so industrial fans should really be listening to that kind of stuff, without worrying too much about labels.
Amen to that.
3 cheers for Techno!!
Yeah Ministry Of Sound Gabba[cool]
Techno killed industrial.
And the Goths … don’t forget the Goths! [laugh]
id say metal is really most to blame
id say it was dying and needed some way to reinvent itself.
enter ministry!
Metal? Metal died before industrial.
They’ve killed METAL twice, but it will never really die!
It’s kind of like a zombie or even that Jesus guy…
So grab your friends, some instruments and start a metal band
Just sing about death, Egypt and wizards or rip off Ayn Rand
We’re coming to the end of the first verse…
Then comes the breakdown, a pretty chorus and then the second verse.
I know I just rhymed verse with verse
That’s because I’m sooo METAL, bitch, where’s your fucking purse?
BREAKDOWN!!! In this part it sounds like the singer wants to fight…
BREAKDOWN!!! Don’t be scared, the chorus will make it all alright
Metal by numbers, 1, 2, 3
Follow these rules and you will see
Cookie monster vocals or yell like a wookie
Metal by numbers, COOKIE, COOKIE, COOKIE
Metal by numbers, 1, 2, 3
THIS IS THE GAY PART, with melody
Even a baby could do it, just give it a try
Just sound like Maiden or Metallica or Every Time I Die
I have to change my voice to make me sound (gang) MAD!
If I tried to sing clean it would make your ears (gang) SAD!
This is the (gang) GANG VOCAL and I’ll tell you the (gang) TRUTH!
It’s four sweaty dudes yelling in a (gang) BOOTH!
Music really sucks now Posers and trendy FOOLS
But compared to Coldplay and Nelly, EVEN SHITTY METAL RULES!
It’s metal by numbers, it’s not arithmetic
John Mayer, Kelly Clarkson…they all can suck my PENIS!
BREAKDOWN!!! In this part it sounds like the singer wants to fight…
BREAKDOWN!!! Don’t be scared, the chorus will make it all alright
Metal by numbers, 1, 2, 3
Follow these rules and you will see
Cookie monster vocals or yell like a wookie
Metal by numbers, COOKIE, COOKIE, COOKIE
Metal by numbers, 1, 2, 3
THIS IS THE GAY PART, with melody
Even a monkey could do it, just give it a try
Copy Maiden or Metallica or Every Time I Die
(BUILD UP)
Here it comes! C’mon! All Right!
ARE YOU ALMOST READY??
Dammit! I missed it!
(SPOKEN) This is the mosh part! MOSH!!!
Or don’t. It’s your call. I just stand in the back and try not to get hit. Watch out for the shirtless white trash guys. They’ll punch you and they stink. And look out for the screamo kids practicing their karate kicks. Dude, you look gaytarded. Oh no. Here comes a giant Mexican - he looks really pissed. I wish everybody would put their shirts back on, it’s kind of gross. Is this part still going? Here comes the lead break…Oh, not yet. Here it comes… here it comes. GO!
SOLO(Jon Donais)
Metal by numbers, 1, 2, 3
Follow these rules and you will see
Cookie monster vocals or yell like a wookie
Metal by numbers, COOKIE, COOKIE, COOKIE!
Metal by numbers, 1, 2, 3
THIS IS THE GAY PART, with melody
Even a retard could do it, JUST GIVE IT A TRY!
Steal from Maiden or Metallica or Every Time I Die
metrop. is boreing as shit.
EBM is stale as all hell.
assemblage 23 is the only band fromt hat wave worth a damn, and that is only due to Tom’s lyrical genius.
but metrop. is just a pirate rapist label. with in a year or two it will go the way of cleopatra.
as for industrial music being dead… it depends. i mean that 80’s Ministry sound that so many have ripped off is, that earlier ‘bu-bu-bow-wow’ sound is too. but to me at least, industrial is indeed the thinking man’s electronic punk. and there are bands today that I feel are doing a good job changing it up.
so no i dont think industrial is dead,
i just think trent reznor and his washed up hack cronies are doing a good job hiding it.