Last night it occurred to me just how surreal this whole thing is.
If you told me in '95 I’d be reading a bunch of internet drama about the behind-the-scenes goings on of my favorite band, I’d have thought you were crazy. Al and Paul were like Jagger and Richards to me - remote, untouchable rock stars. And now I’m watching all this weirdness unfold right in front of me.
What a world we live in.
I think you hit the nail on the head evil, Al has spread himself too thin these past few years, and the quality of his releases show it. 13th Planet has been around awhile now and in that time released records from only a handful of bands. Many of which share the same members. Now there are some parallels there to Wax Trax there, but to me the spirit is entirely different. Dumbed down Industrial butt-rock might be fun for a song or two, but c’mon enough is enough.
Al has always struck me as a forward moving artist, from the deliberate change in sounds in Ministry over the years to the side projects which embraced a variety of styles. Its sad to me to witness as a ‘devoted listener’ what all this has led up to.
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They won’t even answer phone calls or return emails, so doubtful they will post here. I’ve been calling her to clear this all up over phone since last week and have called at least five times. Nothing back.
This is what’s nuts. They’ve been leaving messages on Rabid’s phone, getting ‘minions’ to do their dirty work… and ignoring you. It’s like the little kid on losing ground saying to the older sibling ‘talk to the hand, talk to the haaaand’.
I tell you what will be nuts. If i get one more goddamn phone call. And I mean one more phone call. I think it will be time to publish the jourgensen’s personal contact info.
i feel the general public is far more interested in saying hi to them vs. me.
not only have i recieved 2 dozen nasty voice messages at this point. i have recieved fwds from the revco band members, even her skeleton work crew showing me how angie is sending out mass emails saying complete lies with my full name and cell number. this is what a child does.
Last night it occurred to me just how surreal this whole thing is.
If you told me in '95 I’d be reading a bunch of internet drama about the behind-the-scenes goings on of my favorite band, I’d have thought you were crazy. Al and Paul were like Jagger and Richards to me - remote, untouchable rock stars. And now I’m watching all this weirdness unfold right in front of me.
What a world we live in.
Isn’t it just.
[angelic]
Yeah I didn’t mean to add to the drama. Really I didn’t. I just wanted to be as transparent as possible. I didn’t want any hearsay against me and the way in which to do that is to be as open as possible. I’m not slagging anyone off just shooting down allegations against me with ample proof.
after that nice christmas fuck you to the internet forum fans and this whole pathetic debacle, i don’t think those 80 dollar meet and greets will be selling out much on any upcoming al tours…
also you ever meet a person who had an opportunity to meet a “famous” person they are a fan of and they choose not to? it’s usually things like this that is why people choose not to… better to keep the image in your head then dealing with the reality of douchery
what the fuck. i pull back on my hits to prongs and look what happens. what the fuck is going on?
scanning older posts i have missed in the last weeks…
better to keep the image in your head then dealing with the reality of douchery
Sometimes it’s better not to meet your heros.
But that being said I don’t regret meeting the guy cause he was cool to me… His wife is the jack ass and he is not his wife… But that being said, I will do no more meet and greets or buy anything from 13th planet until that harpie is fired/divorced… and I used to spend a lot, so, yeah, I’m sure I paid and electric bill or two!
Late,
grmpysmrf
what the fuck. i pull back on my hits to prongs and look what happens. what the fuck is going on?
scanning older posts i have missed in the last weeks…
It’s gone a bit mad alright. Best get a few beers, something tells me there’s more to come.
I tell you what will be nuts. If i get one more goddamn phone call. And I mean one more phone call. I think it will be time to publish the jourgensen’s personal contact info.
i feel the general public is far more interested in saying hi to them vs. me.
I don’t. Lol. Yeah it sucks they were assholes to Afra. Anyone with half a brain can see it was unfounded… I dont have any inclination to ring them up or email them and start abusing them.
YEAH MRS. J, YOU ARE A YOKO, A YOKO YOU HERE ME, U LEVE MY AFRA ALONE, OR I WILL SLAG U OUT SO BAD, I’LL MAKE SURE EVER1 KNOWS U YOKO… HERE ME… AND PAY REVCO… OR I’LL SWEAR AT YOU ON TEH INTERWEBS!
/rolls eyes
Sorry… I just dont care that much.
Dont get me wrong, if shit is true, it sucks. What is some “fan” getting in the middle and swearing at everyone without knowing the full picture going to achieve?
I remember giving Angie a spray here - back in the days before she had a ‘rep’ and was still Good Ol’ Mrs Jay - and scaring her away for good because I could sense what a conniving, manipulative bitch she was capable of being and was sick of her constant bullshit championing of Al’s ever increasing artistic rehashes and retreads and creative decline.
And boy did I ever cop it from all and sundry on this site - including Afra. My ears are still smarting from the abuse.
It’s hilarious - now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s suddenlly the ‘in thing’ to bash the woman for being a conniving and manipulative bitch.
Is it because she has wronged the ‘loudest’ or most ‘popular’ members of the forum that it’s now ok to rag on the girl?
I’d hate to be the one to cry “fire” with you lot. I’d imagine you’d tell me to shut the fuck up…and then burn to death.
And people wonder why I’m cynical. That shit stunk waaay back when and stinks just as much even now.
Yeah, they’ve done some shitty things and made themselves to look like assholes. But, there’s no need for random fans to call and harrass them. In the end, we’d be no better than them. I’d laugh a little if someone were to directly tell Al that his bush trilogy sucked balls, but I couldn’t bring myself to do that.
It’s more than that.
It’s the most vocal or most recognised members of the forum having a big fucking girly sook because now they’ve been insulted - but dug in their heels and supported the cunt when somebody else felt like rightfully airing their grievances.
So, I guess I now have little or no sympathy how much she’s fucked over…certain people.
Tell it to someone who cares.
And boy did I ever cop it from all and sundry on this site - including Afra. My ears are still smarting from the abuse.
I never deleted posts or banned you or anything. The truth is, she told me to cut posts and I didn’t. I just said chill on the tone of the posts. There was a point in time where this forum was very negative - not just towards Ministry but everything. It wasn’t very upbeat coming here. I hated that tone but never did I censor, or cut posts or tell people to leave.
I can remember when Angie posted here years ago, I think it was to talk up Rio Grande Blood or something and Peligro blasted her because she began whinging about journalists giving Al the “same review over and over”.
I don’t think she ever posted here again. I guess she realised this wasn’t the Piss Army and we weren’t going to salivate over every bone she threw at us and that we actually had opinions of our own instead of being a bunch of programmed zombies.
But I still remember Peligro got butchered unanimously(particularly by Grmpy and Krowe) for voicing his contempt. I think the only person who stood by him was jizzwad of all people!!
How times have changed. I never really thought too much of Angie, even from the beginning. She just seemed like such a mouthpiece, a propagandha machine. Everything that came from her mouth felt so doctored and contrived. I’m glad she’s been outed for what she is.
And yeah, 13th Planet has become the biggest joke of a label on the…er…planet!!!
I think jizz had some huge beef with her from well before. Anyhow, let’s just drop it. It’s not worth it to post any information of theirs public - that will achieve nothing, nor is it worth it to insult her. We can all just proceed happily in life. Peligro, I distanced myself from that camp about 3 years ago and haven’t worked for them since. This just all came up recently…
If they were trying to create some backlash against me by the finger pointing and lies, it didn’t work. It totally backfired. Many people on other forums even are discussing this and how disgusted they are. I won’t get an apology and never expected one. Not even an explanation as to all the finger pointing. This site and forum will proceed obviously.
The Fire In Our Throats Will Beckon The Thaw. Great album.
The Fire In Our Throats Will Beckon The Thaw. Great album
YES!
The Fire In Our Throats Will Beckon The Thaw. Great album
YES!
Did you pick up any others? I like their latest offering but love The Fire… Great bunch of people to have met as well. Great bunch of guys. They put on a good show.
I was content to let it go years ago.
Harbour no grudges - just sayin’ “I TOLD YOU SO” is all.
I was content to let it go years ago.
Harbour no grudges - just sayin’ “I TOLD YOU SO” is all.
Yes and no. [:/] if i remember correctly (I’m too lazy to check now) your posts were just flat out mean (and yes olson i was definitely one that was pissed over it) your posts to her were just mean for the sake of being mean. I don’t think you ever made mention of your disgust of her over here “advertising” you just called her a bunch of names…(and if i turn out to be wrong on this I’ll humble myself further and admit that too) but in light of all past and present goings on, I will doff my hat to you and endorse your “I TOLD YOU SO” and say yes you were!
Late,
grmpysmrf