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grmpy, did you miss the fact that there was an actual artistic video context surrounding the scene which you keep honing in on?

Or are you really that fucking stupid?

I never know on this forum…

Some idiot who apparently considers Ministry to be musical recently called what I do “anti-music”

Please.

Yes art is subjective but this is really not even open for debate. A lot of time went into that video. If you think anybody could just do that on a whim and it requires no talent, forethought etc then you are just plain fucking stupid.

End of discussion.

Boy for a guy who eats poop your awfuly touchy. Since there’s evidence of you eating poop and none of me or anyone else on this forum (that we know of) let’s keep the name calling at a minimum mmmmkay?

First off am I fucking stupid? No for the simple fact that I know poop is to be flushed and not eaten or recycled in that manner?

Did I watch the video… no I rarely follow yer links the fact that you posted the pick of what you wanted us to see makes the video pointless.

As far as the idiot that called your music anti music and then still likes ministry… apparently you have injested waaaay too much shit if you think anything your bass istrument tapping ass puts out is even accidently related to ministry…

Take a breath mint and rethink yer life…

Loser!
Late,
grmpysmrf

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Ah ok so you have posted endlessly in my thread with inane questions about poop and cunting off about how “it’s not art” yet DID NOT EVEN WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEO?

Thanks for clarifying.

Wow that is truly fucking stupid.

Maybe you should stop shitting out of your orifice and use your fucking brain mister substitard teacher.

cue idiot monkey canned laughter

Shame on you.

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I’m with Void here. Even if you don’t like the content of this kind of thing, saying it’s not art is something different. The video is well made and put together, the looped teeth clip is unsettling, the sound design works well etc. If people don’t dig the punchline at the end, I get that, but to simplify it down to “You are not an artist because you use shock value/shocking imagery in you work” would be to disregard a fair amount of good work throughout history (Salo included grmps).

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Yes exactly and it’s stupidity at its highest because he didn’t even watch the fucking video but felt the need to spout asinine school child questions about poop for an entire page of my thread.

At least put a fucking disclaimer saying you have not watched my video before you proceed to shit on my video with your stupid monkey laughter and potty jokes.

PS I never said I disliked SALO and I appreciate you sending it to me. It’s ironic because I was inspired by SALO and you are the one who sent it but you have really disappointed me here and you have insulted my work again without provocation and also without even watching it!

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It’s ironic because I was inspired by SALO

Maybe this is why the movie keeps getting banned in so many countries. Perhaps food companies are worried they’ll lose revenue if people start eating dook instead of buying cheeseburgers.

[I’ve never seen, Salo, by the way, so this is my disclaimer]

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[reply]dook

heh heh

you said “dook”…

heh heh

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Yes exactly and it’s stupidity at its highest because he didn’t even watch the fucking video but felt the need to spout asinine school child questions about poop for an entire page of my thread.

Assinine school child questions? Who’s fucking stupid now? The questions I asked had nothing to do with the video or your “art” if this were a traditional canvas… the caliber of my questions would be aimed at your color mixing or your choice of textures don’t need to see the painting to ask those questions… and I said at least 2 times my questions were serious!

At least put a fucking disclaimer saying you have not watched my video before you proceed to shit on my video with your stupid monkey laughter and potty jokes.

Are you retarded? You thow up a still of you munching a brown rag doll and I’m the dueche that needs a disclaimer??? Fuck you! I find it very hard to believe #1 that you think you’re a pioneer and #2 that you had no idea that no one would give you… well… shit for it.

PS I never said I disliked SALO and I appreciate you sending it to me.

Yeah you did. I can pull up the pm if you like. You said something to effect of boring or bland or something along those lines

It’s ironic because I was inspired by SALO and you are the one who sent it but you have really disappointed me here and you have insulted my work again without provocation and also without even watching it!

No irony here. Passolini had sense enough to NOT use actual shit.
Had he and I actually had his ear I would’ve asked him the same questions cause id like to know.
How is me asking about the tools of your “art” insulting?
I did become insulting towards you ONLY after you became mr pretentious beyond any measurable scale.

I suppose this makes me an artist now cause I’m also misunderstood sad thing is is I didn’t have to eat shit for it.
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grmpysmrf

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You said my video is not art but you never actually watched my video.

That was very disrespectful and insulting to me.

The end.

I’m not going to debate this anymore so you can say whatever you want.

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You said my video is not art but you never actually watched my video.

That’s a pretty good point, Grumps. Considering you sent him Salo as an example of “art”, it is a bit hypocritical to discount Void’s creation right off the bat simply because of the subject matter, and not even watch the film to give it a fair shot.

Or is it because Void admittedly used real poop whereas Pasolini used stunt poo?

Because that really seems to be, at this point, the only reasoning that you’ve given for him being on Grumpy’s “not-art” list.

He ate (or at least made facial contact with) a turd. OK. He did it as an expression intended either to convey a thought or message or to open thought and dialogue. Some dialogue was definitely opened (perhaps not what he expected or wanted) but whether or not his message (if any) was transmitted effectively remains unknown since he hasn’t given us any clues to the “meaning” of the piece.

I’m not going to say something is not art just because I don’t like it or even if I think something fails on technical merit. I will, though, take my liberties when appropriate, and say that I think something is crappy or ineffective or just plain ugly.

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I just watched the “Muhammad Was A Terrorist Video”. I was at work so it was turned down pretty quietly, but I kind of liked that one. Had a pretty groovy sound to it.

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I just watched the “Muhammad Was A Terrorist Video”. I was at work so it was turned down pretty quietly, but I kind of liked that one. Had a pretty groovy sound to it.

Thanks it’s a bit cheesy and dated but I think the point I was trying to make is important and I am happy with the video still.

Also I think looking back it was the right time to say that stuff and I’m glad I did the song when I did.

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[reply]I just watched the “Muhammad Was A Terrorist Video”. I was at work so it was turned down pretty quietly, but I kind of liked that one. Had a pretty groovy sound to it.

Thanks it’s a bit cheesy and dated but I think the point I was trying to make is important and I am happy with the video still.

Also I think looking back it was the right time to say that stuff and I’m glad I did the song when I did.[/reply]

And if you wanted to appease Grumpy you could draw some parallels from the subject matter covered in your film back to SALO.

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You said my video is not art but you never actually watched my video.

where did i say “your video is not art!”?

I was commenting on the picture you posted and nothing more!!!

That was very disrespectful and insulting to me.

The end.

the fact that you think i dissed your video is disrespectful an insulting to me. Thank god you’re only putting words in my mouth! (hopefully you washed your hands! btw this is me saying whatever I want now! thanks for the permission)

as you have correctly pointed out I did not watch your video and all of my (still unanswered) questions are based on the greeting card you posted from your video.

[reply][reply]You said my video is not art but you never actually watched my video.

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That’s a pretty good point, Grumps. Considering you sent him Salo as an example of “art”, it is a bit hypocritical to discount Void’s creation right off the bat simply because of the subject matter, and not even watch the film to give it a fair shot.
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Lets get cleared up here.
#1 I never said his video isn’t art. (the fact that he ate butt mud doesn’t make it art or not art, but if he’s going specifically on the cuisine for legitimacy, I say FAIL)

#2 I didn’t send him Salo as an example of “art”. He was interested in seeing it. I have the ability to burn dvds so I shot him over a copy. (it was more of look how fucked up this movie is… and yet they still use a brownie rather than an actual chud!)

My comments are directly aimed at the pic he posted. Although, I gotta tell ya’, If I had seen the video and still knew he ate real poop, my questions wouldn’t be any different.

Or is it because Void admittedly used real poop whereas Pasolini used stunt poo?

The real poop just makes me have the questions I do. but the pic itself is not art!

Because that really seems to be, at this point, the only reasoning that you’ve given for him being on Grumpy’s “not-art” list.

Just the act of eating poop itself is not art. Which is the only thing his pic shows

He ate (or at least made facial contact with) a turd. OK. He did it as an expression intended either to convey a thought or message or to open thought and dialogue. Some dialogue was definitely opened (perhaps not what he expected or wanted) but whether or not his message (if any) was transmitted effectively remains unknown since he hasn’t given us any clues to the “meaning” of the piece.

I’m laughing too hard to type!!!
but I’m enjoying your role as arbitrator.
although I don’t know how neutral you are

I’m not going to say something is not art just because I don’t like it or even if I think something fails on technical merit. I will, though, take my liberties when appropriate, and say that I think something is crappy or ineffective or just plain ugly.

I agree. I think the mona lisa is ugly as shit. Wouldn’t want it hanging in my house but I couldn’t do it
I think art, true art, is not easily replicated.
Late,
grmpysmrf

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where did i say “your video is not art!”?

Well, after he claimed it was art, you told him this, which most of us took accordingly . . .

No dude, you put shit in your mouth!
but according to you that means any child that’s going through the oral stage and pretty much any canine is an artist! WAIT WAIT WAIT because you know better you are pushing societies (not mention natures) boundaries so that makes it art? (that’s a dangerous and not to mention sloppy way to define art)

I was commenting on the picture you posted and nothing more!!!

Again, if all you’re commenting on is the picture, then you’re off base. His “art” piece wasn’t a still frame picture. It was a video, with music, and sound, and crosses . . . and poop.

My comments are directly aimed at the pic he posted. Although, I gotta tell ya’, If I had seen the video and still knew he ate real poop, my questions wouldn’t be any different.

I’m not taking issue with the original questions you have for him. I’d really like to see that diaLOG opened up further.

The real poop just makes me have the questions I do. but the pic itself is not art!

Just the act of eating poop itself is not art. Which is the only thing his pic shows

Again, the pic wasn’t his “art” to begin with. Art is always contextual and that is just one still frame of what must be thousands that create the cinematic feature that is his artistic submission.

I’m laughing too hard to type!!!
but I’m enjoying your role as arbitrator.
although I don’t know how neutral you are

I’m never “neutral” on anything, but I do try to be “fair”. I think it’s perfectly fine to challenge someone’s art that they’ve posted on a public forum, but you haven’t even gotten to point A yet. You’re challenging his art without even having seen it. Or, more accurately, you’re arguing against something that isn’t even the dude’s complete work. It’s like me saying NYPD Blue was a crappy TV show because someone showed me a pic of Sipowicz’ fat flabby ass.

Yes, Sipowicz’ ass was disgusting, but NYPD Blue was a kickass cop show and that new Law and Order Los Angeles show can kiss my skinny white ass!

I think art, true art, is not easily replicated.

Well, then, give a point to Void, because it would be a lot easier to eat some soggy Devil’s food cake than to pull someone’s anal tar baby out of the bowl and go to town with it.

When YOU can authentically replicate Void’s video, then you can say it’s not “true” art.

But seriously, just watch the video once, at least, so you don’t seem like as much of an ass during this debate. He watched SALO, after all, right? Don’t you kind of owe him one or something?

At least after you watch the video you’ll be having a conversation about the actual “art” submitted.

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Again, if all you’re commenting on is the picture, then you’re off base. His “art” piece wasn’t a still frame picture. It was a video, with music, and sound, and crosses . . . and poop.

That still pic is obviously what he chose to represent his “art.” I stand by my ASSessment!

[reply]My comments are directly aimed at the pic he posted. Although, I gotta tell ya’, If I had seen the video and still knew he ate real poop, my questions wouldn’t be any different.

I’m not taking issue with the original questions you have for him. I’d really like to see that diaLOG opened up further.
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Me too. but apparently that’s rude! can’t believe a dude who munches, scat offends so easily!

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The real poop just makes me have the questions I do. but the pic itself is not art! Just the act of eating poop itself is not art. Which is the only thing his pic shows

Again, the pic wasn’t his “art” to begin with.
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well then why did he post that still pic as representative of his art. No No I’m not really a racist I just chose a KKK member to be my spokes person.

Art is always contextual and that is just one still frame of what must be thousands that create the cinematic feature that is his artistic submission.

but again why was that frame used to to sell his “Art”?

[reply]I’m laughing too hard to type!!!
but I’m enjoying your role as arbitrator.
although I don’t know how neutral you are

I’m never “neutral” on anything, but I do try to be “fair”. I think it’s perfectly fine to challenge someone’s art that they’ve posted on a public forum, but you haven’t even gotten to point A yet. You’re challenging his art without even having seen it. Or, more accurately, you’re arguing against something that isn’t even the dude’s complete work. It’s like me saying NYPD Blue was a crappy TV show because someone showed me a pic of Sipowicz’ fat flabby ass.
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So, you are agreeing with me? That pic of Void gnawing on turds is no more art than a pic of sipowitz’s ass. Was this ever in question?
Don’t know about Void’s “art” but his representative pic is not art.

[reply]I think art, true art, is not easily replicated.

Well, then, give a point to Void, because it would be a lot easier to eat some soggy Devil’s food cake than to pull someone’s anal tar baby out of the bowl and go to town with it.
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no way! ANYBODY can do that! I’m talking about ability versus actuality. I could actually pull a brown ear out of the toilet to suck on but I do not want to.
I would like to have the ability to create the Mona Lisa but I cannot.

When YOU can authentically replicate Void’s video, then you can say it’s not “true” art.

I’ve never seen it but I can tell you I could! Voids bass lines aren’t complicated, I’m sure he used natural settings,I could easily wear my wife’s feminine clothing, consider the ability there!

But seriously, just watch the video once, at least, so you don’t seem like as much of an ass during this debate. He watched SALO, after all, right? Don’t you kind of owe him one or something?

He didn’t watch SALO for me.I helped him out with a curiosity so really he owes me.

Besides I thought I was doing rather well on the strength of his still photo… Tell you what, If I can find a quiet room, where I’m by myself, where I have nothing better to do than think, I may ponder the possibility of watching the video… But the thing is this, it was barely passable in Salo and given the caliber of Voids posts (his ability to express himself clearly and what not) Passolini he ain’t! So,why bother?

At least after you watch the video you’ll be having a conversation about the actual “art” submitted.

alright you convinced me. I like to be convinced. good job!
Late,
grmpysmrf

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So, you are agreeing with me? That pic of Void gnawing on turds is no more art than a pic of sipowitz’s ass. Was this ever in question?
Don’t know about Void’s “art” but his representative pic is not art.

No, Dude. You totally missed the point. I’m saying that you took one piece out of context and judged an entire body of work by it. Anyway, my example might not have been the best as I don’t think Sipowicz’ ass added anything to the show and we’d all have been better off not having to see it.

What the heck was I talking about? Oh, right. Context. So, anyway, taking one small component (yeah, I know, Sipowicz ass isn’t exactly small) of something and using it as representative of the art as a whole is unfair and irresponsible. So Void has a right to be pissed or offended or whatever.

no way! ANYBODY can do that! I’m talking about ability versus actuality. I could actually pull a brown ear out of the toilet to suck on but I do not want to.
I would like to have the ability to create the Mona Lisa but I cannot.

I guess we differ here in our definition of “ability”. I think making a choice to actually DO something that others are unwilling to do is a special trait. There are lots of examples of this. Whether it be streaking naked across a football field, going over Niagara Falls in a barrell, or eating a log of crap. People say “I choose” not to, but the fact is they lack the discipline, mental fortitude, or lack of concern for social reaction or consequences that it takes to committ such an act. So, yeah, I stand by my use of the word CAN’T. I think WON’T is no different than CAN’T.

If you’re calling someone out for doing something that can supposedly be easily done, well, put your money (and when I say money, I really mean crap) where your mouth is and DO IT.

When YOU can authentically replicate Void’s video, then you can say it’s not “true” art.

I’ve never seen it but I can tell you I could! Voids bass lines aren’t complicated, I’m sure he used natural settings,I could easily wear my wife’s feminine clothing, consider the ability there! [/reply]

I stand by my statements.

He didn’t watch SALO for me.I helped him out with a curiosity so really he owes me.

Sorry. I have no idea what the history between you lovebirds is. You mentioned that you sent him “Salo” and he didn’t like it so much so I thought you wanted him to respect it or love it or something (and he did, by the way, say he was INSPIRED by it).

Tell you what, If I can find a quiet room, where I’m by myself, where I have nothing better to do than think, I may ponder the possibility of watching the video… But the thing is this, it was barely passable in Salo and given the caliber of Voids posts (his ability to express himself clearly and what not) Passolini he ain’t! So,why bother?

Dude. The video is like 90 seconds long. It ain’t like committing to watching the director’s cut of Dune or something. You act like it’s such a chore to watch his short little movie. You could have watched it 20 times in the time it took you to do your last post.

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No, Dude. You totally missed the point. I’m saying that you took one piece out of context and judged an entire body of work by it.

I NEVER said his video wasn’t “art” NEVER!!! I’ve not judged his video.

NEVER even gave the video a second thought.

I was talking about the artistic merits of his still photo.

“THAT STILL PHOTO IS NOT ART!!” that’s what I’m saying.
That’s all I’ve ever said.

I have no opinion of the video (yet)

I guess we differ here in our definition of “ability”. I think making a choice to actually DO something that others are unwilling to do is a special trait. There are lots of examples of this. Whether it be streaking naked across a football field, going over Niagara Falls in a barrell, or eating a log of crap. People say “I choose” not to, but the fact is they lack the discipline, mental fortitude, or lack of concern for social reaction or consequences that it takes to committ such an act. So, yeah, I stand by my use of the word CAN’T. I think WON’T is no different than CAN’T.

If you’re calling someone out for doing something that can supposedly be easily done, well, put your money (and when I say money, I really mean crap) where your mouth is and DO IT.

No. I “won’t” and even if I would I wouldn’t post pics for all to see for free.

I have that ability. WE ALL have that ability to suckle a chud. not many of us have the ability to recreate a Van Gogh. You don’t even have to practice (how would you even do that) to eat a turd! you could practice your whole life and never even come close to being a Da Vinci.

You mentioned that you sent him “Salo” and he didn’t like it so much so I thought you wanted him to respect it or love it or something

I don’t give a crap if he liked it or not. It’s all a matter of taste… he he he he

Dude. The video is like 90 seconds long. It ain’t like committing to watching the director’s cut of Dune or something. You act like it’s such a chore to watch his short little movie. You could have watched it 20 times in the time it took you to do your last post.

yeah, I guess I could. but really I don’t know why I should It’s not the video I’m taking issue with it’s the trailer he put it out for it that I am. Maybe when all of the hoopla dies down around it I will check it out.

I wonder if poopsex.com fans know about this video yet? I bet they would cancel their memberships if they knew they could just go to youtube to sate themselves!
Late,
grmpysmrf

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ooh I get it, I get it!!! women put shit on their face so void will too!
that video was very artistic and shitty at the same time or was it crappy? No doubt my wife and I will be walking around today saying “Ticky ticky ticky ticky” and laughing.

you know, I think school children could make fun of the lyrics by singing “icky icky icky icky” instead of “Ticky ticky ticky ticky.” that would show their juvenileness though, because they obviously haven’t been exposed to great art!

I think my watch is broken it no longer tocks, it only “Ticky ticky ticky ticky.”

You need to check the cats for “Ticky ticky ticky ticky.”

were all out of tacs today the only thing we have left are “Ticky ticky ticky ticky”

that was fun thanks for the recommendation gunnar. I’m glad I watched that. where else could I see a video of some dude smearing chocolate ass cream all over his face? fuckin youtube!!! Who knew?
Late,
grmpysmrf

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Yeah, the “ticky ticky” is pretty infectious. I’ve been chanting it too.

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yeah i enjoyed the video. if you asked me though, i would have said the poop is fake.