Since there are still people who get off on nin, here’s something:
http://dl.nin.com/lightsinthesky/signup
Tracks included:
Most NIN fans will already have “Echoplex,” but it’s not a bad way to introduce yourself to the other bands.
A Place To Bury Strangers is pretty good (the full length I mean, Fix is a great ‘single’ track)- the rest was shit (cept NIN - echoplex is my fav on the slip) on a stick IMO.
good stuff. I really like the first two tunes.
A Place To Bury Strangers is easily my favorite of the openers. I’ll get to see them in OKC.
Wish APTBS was opening at my date (Mpls), but we get Crystal Castles. Dang.
Is it just me or do I find the opening bands more interesting than nin? I’m sorry but I do. Most of those bands are a breath of fresh air, whether you like them or not. Certainly more than nin.
I’ve bitten my tongue on this before, but I’m sorry - nin is overrated. The guy hasn’t put out anything decent since TDS which is 14 years old (!!). Yes, the Fragile maybe had a couple of good tracks, but come on - 23 tracks total or something and I only heard the album maybe 4 or 5 times. Nothing stuck out to me. Then came With Teeth, which I quite liked, but just a couple of tracks. I don’t think I’ve met a person who considers themselves a nin fan who likes With Teeth; I do though but I don’t consider myself a fan of his. The remixes are way better (I have always liked their choice in remixers).
Why people orgasm every time Trent puts something out, I will never understand. He’s put out, and nin fans will admit this, maybe 10 decent songs in 14 years so why the massive love? It’s a shame they did not have the same forgiveness with artists like Ministry. I know people who have disliked The Fragile, and then With Teeth and then Year Zero. So why is it, these same people are the first to download the Slip? I downloaded it, sure, but I waited to see what others said before rushing off. I actually do like the Slip quite a bit. But I know many nin heads don’t like it.
Other artists do not have this bizarre patience. I’m curious: what is it about Trent that people flock to? I mean you won’t see nin shirts anymore but he is arena rock. Is it the Closer crowd that still love him? The Goth crowd? The hipster crowd (boy, Trent sure loves them though…)… I have always been confused by all this.
He’s a poser with an identity crisis.
Out of the bands on the tour I only know A Place To Bury Strangers, and they are alright.
As for NIN, I always listened to it for the production values…
Is it just me or do I find the opening bands more interesting than nin? I’m sorry but I do. Most of those bands are a breath of fresh air, whether you like them or not. Certainly more than nin.
I’ve bitten my tongue on this before, but I’m sorry - nin is overrated. The guy hasn’t put out anything decent since TDS which is 14 years old (!!). Yes, the Fragile maybe had a couple of good tracks, but come on - 23 tracks total or something and I only heard the album maybe 4 or 5 times. Nothing stuck out to me. Then came With Teeth, which I quite liked, but just a couple of tracks. I don’t think I’ve met a person who considers themselves a nin fan who likes With Teeth; I do though but I don’t consider myself a fan of his. The remixes are way better (I have always liked their choice in remixers).
Why people orgasm every time Trent puts something out, I will never understand. He’s put out, and nin fans will admit this, maybe 10 decent songs in 14 years so why the massive love? It’s a shame they did not have the same forgiveness with artists like Ministry. I know people who have disliked The Fragile, and then With Teeth and then Year Zero. So why is it, these same people are the first to download the Slip? I downloaded it, sure, but I waited to see what others said before rushing off. I actually do like the Slip quite a bit. But I know many nin heads don’t like it.
Other artists do not have this bizarre patience. I’m curious: what is it about Trent that people flock to? I mean you won’t see nin shirts anymore but he is arena rock. Is it the Closer crowd that still love him? The Goth crowd? The hipster crowd (boy, Trent sure loves them though…)… I have always been confused by all this.
He’s a poser with an identity crisis.
Well that’s just, like, your opinion man.
Frankly I find most of these opening acts’ material hopelessly boring. Napworthy. Snoozetastic.
NIN still gets me going. And I don’t think many NIN fans will agree that he’s only done “10 good songs in 14 years”. In fact, the only NIN song in 14 years I actively dislike is one that was never officially released (“Not So Pretty Now” - man does that one suck).
Gotta say I agree with the Rev, I really dig NIN.
I fought it early on because he was, you know, the dude that everyone knew about in High School whereas I was into all this obscure Wax Trax shit.
I actually think Trent’s about the only person I know of who is still making music that sounds like industrial (rather than metal or techno) for the Wax Trax era that doesn’t slavishly imitate said sound. He takes it forward.
That said, I didn’t care for most of “The Fragile”. I liked “With Teeth” a lot at the time but I think he’s since refined that sound with “Year Zero” and “The Slip” and I’d rather listen to those two.
Finally, if you get tired of people saying that they like Trent, Afra, then why did you start a thread about the EP? No one’s mentioned Trent for weeks around these parts until you brought him up. I think you may have an unrequited love for our Mr. Reznor. [:P]
Well that’s just, like, your opinion man.
I am the Walrus?
Well that’s just, like, your opinion man.
LOL.
please tell me i’m not the only one who got the lebowski reference.
[:)][:)]
As always, it comes to down to individual tastes, but I tend to agree with Afra on some level. I was a big PHM fan from the start, so NIN was high in the ‘power rankings’ for me for a while, at least through TDS. Honestly, the last NIN song that really did anything for me was The Perfect Drug (weak chorus, but I love the programming and loops). The Fragile is ‘good’, I guess, but I couldn’t tell you a single song title outside of Starfuckers, Inc., and I only remember that title because of the RevCo Tour Diary. I don’t like With Teeth, and Year Zero is marginally better. I just like that late 80’s/early 90’s NIN sound better, and Trent put out some killer (and more memorable) singles back then. Though his recent output isn’t overly satisfying, I do like how he’s releasing his music these days to the fans.
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Finally, if you get tired of people saying that they like Trent, Afra, then why did you start a thread about the EP? No one’s mentioned Trent for weeks around these parts until you brought him up. I think you may have an unrequited love for our Mr. Reznor. [:P]
No, no, no… I wasn’t arguing that people shouldn’t like him, etc. Hey, as I said, I like With Teeth and the Slip (a lot), sure. I was asking why people, who upon every release since TDS, get disappointed with it, yet go back for more (as record sales/downloads show), yet when it comes to other bands, they aren’t as forgiving. Not even close.
I wasn’t being hostile in the least bit. I think he’s a talented musician - I just miss the old key players for nin 
10 songs in 14 years - maybe I was being too trigger happy. Though, I certainly can’t tell you a list of songs that match up to Reptile, Ruiner, Mr. Self Destruct, etc. Not even close. None did it for me on the Fragile. With Teeth was a more club type album which works brilliantly for that vibe. Hence all those million house remixes. That album was written for the club.
I think you’re overestimating the amount of people that are disappointed in his post TDS work. Certainly there are people who have been critical, and people who have been outright hostile to the directions he’s taken, but by and large the fan-base (based on my lurkings at ETS, I don’t actually post there) has been very receptive to everything he does - often to the point of mindless idol worship.
I think record sales have stayed up also because he’s been able to gain a significant number of new, younger fans with each album that makes up for any older fans that have become alienated and/or disinterested. Among other reasons that are too subjective for me to debate, I think he’s been able to garner those new fans with two strategies:
well, i was mildly disappointed with The Fragile (I think he could make one great album instead of two mediocre ones) and indeed, i wasnt really looking forward to With Teeth very much, although since at the time he was releasing new stuff every five years, there was a bit of curiosity at work there, so I did check it out when it came out.
With Teeth didnt do it for me, so it took me a while to finally check out Year Zero after it came out. Year Zero, for me, was an excellent release though, so it made me interested in him again.
I think that the reason people are more forgiving for Trent is that he didnt really have his own ‘sound’ that he was most famous for, changing style fairly significantly every album. When a band hits that comfortable sound that they are identified with (such as Ministry with Mind/Psalm), a lot of people start hating everything that comes out subsequently that is radically different, and I think the general lukewarm response to Filth Pig, Darkside and Animosity are a good indication of this. Now, I know a lot of us love those albums, but I’m talking more about how the ‘general public’ perceives things.
With Teeth, Year Zero, and The Slip play in my car more than any other NIN releases.
I really dig NIN lite.
I think record sales have stayed up also because he’s been able to gain a significant number of new, younger fans with each album that makes up for any older fans that have become alienated and/or disinterested.
He also knows marketing. Very well. He’s like Apple - he knows how to brand his work and make people want it. No matter what it is. He’s a genius when it came to making people curious about him. Releasing Closer was the best thing he could have done (yes, I do like that track), as it made nin what it is today. Huge. Arena rock.
But I suppose what Filth Pig was to the short lived Ministry fans (though I loved Filth Pig), the Fragile was to me regarding nin. I couldn’t hum you one tune from that yet I could from TDS which was 14 years ago. Reminds me - I should chuck that on.
I do like the Slip. A lot. Definitely be something people will be hearing in the clubs for the next year, which is precisely what Trent wants.
Yes, he definitely knows how to market himself. This tour sampler is a perfect example. Back when I went to concerts more frequently, I used to make mixes just like this to convince people to go with me. It’s a fantastic idea with an excellent price tag.
into the void, reptile and suck are standards for the under 21 crowd who listen to music.
trent is a genius at marketing. an excellent musician. and always a pleasure to encounter.
i think his appeal is that he has the momentum to keep things fresh and not get hung up with dealing in the past.isn’t that what art’s about? unfortunately, minds in america (especially) are getting smaller and smaller and there are way more musicians willing to accomodate the tiny space between the ears.
i don’t like most of nin, but some is pretty awesome. then move on.
trent’s successful because he doesn’t stop when the industry people are standing
there with their thumbs up their asses.
trent’s as vain as ANYONE else, but he doesn’t wait for others to blame if and when his “product” doesn’t go over well.