[reply]One day it will hit you. TDS Pure fakery! PHM TRUE RAW emotion put to sound!
Late,
grmpysmrf
“How can you turn me in to this? After you just taught me how to kiss… you!”
Yup, pure raw emotion, and not embarrassing teen journal material.
Anyone else with a favorite cringe line?[/reply]
I think the bit where he asks for a “great big apology” is a favourite of mine
[reply][reply]One day it will hit you. TDS Pure fakery! PHM TRUE RAW emotion put to sound!
Late,
grmpysmrf
“How can you turn me in to this? After you just taught me how to kiss… you!”
Yup, pure raw emotion, and not embarrassing teen journal material.
Anyone else with a favorite cringe line?[/reply]
I think the bit where he asks for a “great big apology” is a favourite of mine[/reply]
That song is about God.
I stuck my nose up at NIN after they became the Madonna of MTV industrial music. Whether they were good or not I don’t really know because I stopped paying attention to them except for what I heard by circumstance. I didn’t want to be associated with the bandwagon fan base at all. I am not sure if I would consider my view elitist or non-conformist but probably a little of both.
Well, that’s a shitty attitude to take about any musician.
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I think the bit where he asks for a “great big apology” is a favourite of mine
That song is about God.[/reply]
Yes, explicitly so. It’s still my favourite cringe line.
I stuck my nose up at NIN after they became the Madonna of MTV industrial music. Whether they were good or not I don’t really know because I stopped paying attention to them except for what I heard by circumstance. I didn’t want to be associated with the bandwagon fan base at all. I am not sure if I would consider my view elitist or non-conformist but probably a little of both.
that’s definitely being an elitist. and pretty pretentious.
Big NIN fan here. I’ll always have a soft spot for PHM, since most of you already know that I’m a 80s pop junkie.
A lot of Ministry fans like to slam Trent for stealing Al’s sound, which in reality is Broken and Pretty Hate Machine. Pretty Hate Machine is a combination of the early Ministry stuff that most Ministry fans claim to hate. After Broken Trent went into sound design and more organic sounds. Hurt, Piggy, Closer and most of the singles afterwards don’t really have that old school industrial sound.
I agree, NIN remixes are really groundbreaking. Fixed and Further Down the Spiral really define re-enterpreting material.
My favorite NIN album is The Fragile. That album really sums up the different styles and variations of NIN’s sound. His soundtrack work is pretty stellar, the new HTDA is pretty cool as well.
broken/fixed both 10+
It sucks that Trent gets all the credit when in actuality it was Chris Vrenna that did all the sound sculpting that we love.Look at the Fragile foward the sound design is what is missing from all those records.He even tried to hire a replacement in Keith Hillebradt, but his sounds were limp.
find it hard to believe otherwise vrenna would have more recognition as well after, say, leaving nin.
for sake of example, i like the sound design trent did for manson’s antichrist superstar album. that record has trent all over it. without reznor, manson’s sound went to shit quickly (apart from mechanical animals).
vrenna did also production work for manson - “the high end of low” album, and we all know how that one is XD
not defending trent or anything but yeah
TDS was performed at the Palladium in 2009.
Agreed, the Lights in the Sky tour visuals were excellent. I have seen nothing like it before or since.
find it hard to believe otherwise vrenna would have more recognition as well after, say, leaving nin.
for sake of example, i like the sound design trent did for manson’s antichrist superstar album. that record has trent all over it. without reznor, manson’s sound went to shit quickly (apart from mechanical animals).
vrenna did also production work for manson - “the high end of low” album, and we all know how that one is XD
not defending trent or anything but yeah
This. Also Vrenna’s “Sound design” for NIN was sampling noises from other songs and movies. In retrospect he was an assistance, not the mastermind sound designer. The Fragile does this to some extinct, but I find it’s sounds more intriguing. They talked about driving around town with microphones hanging out the windows, then mutating the sounds later. Alot of the sounds on The Downward Spiral sort of lose their flavor when you finally notice them in the movies (THX 1138, Robot Jax, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, etc.). With the post Downward Spiral stuff, you will never be able to pinpoint what those sounds are EVER.
Yeah I wouldn’t give Vrenna too much credit…
Have you heard his solo stuff or other stuff he did outside NIN?
He’s definitely talented but hardly the “mastermind behind NIN” as some seem to think…
Yeah I wouldn’t give Vrenna too much credit…
Have you heard his solo stuff or other stuff he did outside NIN?
He’s definitely talented but hardly the “mastermind behind NIN” as some seem to think…
tweaker is good shit. but yeah, i wouldn’t say he was a mastermind. from all i’ve read, he helped trent with a lot of the samples, but that’s it.
Vrenna did two albums with Manson (not counting his guest contributions to ACSS). He proved, no matter who you are, you can’t polish a turd.
After listening to Tweaker (which I enjoy), you can easily see some of the similarities. But i’ve always been under the impression that he didn’t really contribute much in the studio, and was more or less a touring member who occasionally contributed . Or, his involvement has been completely downplayed. I’m going by liner notes though, which suggest the prior.
This. Also Vrenna’s “Sound design” for NIN was sampling noises from other songs and movies. With the post Downward Spiral stuff, you will never be able to pinpoint what those sounds are EVER.
Even if hearing the samples removed from the album demystifies the listening experience to some degree, I think The Downward Spiral about perfected the idea of film sampling within industrial rock. If Vrenna was indeed responsible for culling these samples (legend has it from hundreds of hours of film stock) then he should be given every bit of credit for some of the more ingenious sound design. I’m thinking the bridge on “Heresy”, the screaming loop on “The Becoming” and the ambient intro to “Reptile”. These are moments that define The Downward Spiral. Very rarely have I heard outsourced noise integrated that seamlessly into a song.
The Fragile, as it stands uses more layers of sound and it’s clear Trent and his team toiled away on certain tracks more than others (“Just Like You Imagined”, “Somewhat Damaged”, “The Way Out is Through”) but there aren’t many sounds or noises with that “what was that” factor like on the 92-97 stuff, remixes included.
I think the new How to Destroy Angels album (which took me a while to get into but now I framing love) is filled with “what the fuck was that?!?” sunds and fx. Really strange and inventive, made to be listened to as an album - loudly.
“How can you turn me in to this? After you just taught me how to kiss… you!”
Anyone else with a favorite cringe line?
I think the bit where he asks for a “great big apology” is a favourite of mine[/reply]
Both of those are amazing.
The entirety of “Down In It,” while catchy and flowing really well, is cheesy as all hell.
“I was feeling some feelings you wouldn’t buh-LEEEVE.”
I love PHM more than any other NIN record. I think the only ones I still have are that and With Teeth, which probablyy says a lot about how much I suck at NIN, but whatever. I will not, however, defend the lyrical quality of half-to-3/4 of the album. It’s an angsty jerk-off session with no kleenex and it’s down to its last pair of dirty socks, and I don’t know where the hell that analogy came from and I don’t wanna know.
PHM is fuckin’ icky. I hate it.
I love PHM more than any other NIN record…PHM is fuckin’ icky. I hate it.
Wtf?? You’re either with me or aginst me here pal. Which is it?
Late,
grmpysmrf
Wish I could post the Celebrity Deathmatch with Trent against Puff Daddy. At the beginning Trent bitches out of the fight because he thinks like sucks. Then Stone Cold Steve Austin motivates him to fight by telling him to repeat to himself “I am a very pretty hate machine.”
I think the new How to Destroy Angels album (which took me a while to get into but now I framing love) is filled with “what the fuck was that?!?” sunds and fx. Really strange and inventive, made to be listened to as an album - loudly.
This.
[reply]I think the new How to Destroy Angels album (which took me a while to get into but now I framing love) is filled with “what the fuck was that?!?” sunds and fx. Really strange and inventive, made to be listened to as an album - loudly.
This.[/rep
Aside from a few good songs, none of it really goes anywhere.