NIN fans vs Ministry fans

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Stereotypical Fanboy musings:

Nine Inch Nails fanboy - “I just knew she’d never text me back. Fuck that bitch. I’ll bet she’s on the phone right now, lieing to all her friends how about how small I was and much of a useless lay I am. Fuck her. I’ll drive past her house slowly every night from now on and stare menacingly. Ha ha! Teach her to mess with me…”"

Marilyn Manson fanboy - “Hmm…letsee. What to wear to Mario’s goth get together at the warehouse over on Weatherby? OK I’m gonna go with my Fuck Art Lets Kill tee. Yeah That’ll get ém. Oh boy yeah. Bum ba bum ba bum. Doo dee doo. Yeah. All the beautiful peoples gonna be there. Fuckin rock the fuck out. Oooh, I wonder if Simone will bring Greg? I thought she didn’t even like him. Oh but he does have a car though. Hmmm. Maybe I’ll just phone her first to make sure. Dón’t want any ugly encounters. Dum dee dum…”

Ministry fanboy - “Heads it’s pizza. Tails it’s kebab. Fuck I could go a beer. Right NOW. Or maybe score some weed. Oh…fuck i’m broke. Fuck that. I’ll give Tim a call. Fucker owes me rent money anyways. Maybe some Grand Theft Auto later on…”

Slipknot fanboy- “Miranda tonight. No idea what to wear. Maybe just go the ripped jeans, Lamb of God tee. Yeah. Cool fuck-er!! Should I shave my pubes? Will Miranda go for that shit? Do guys even do that shit any more. Fuck it. Fucking cock’ll itch like crazy in the morning anyway. Fuck that shit. Oh I have a pimple…damn.”
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Godflesh fanboy - “Hmmm. No messages. Again. Tv dinner, then internet porn I s’pose. Man, I hate Friday nights.”

Radiohead fanboy - “No milk. Again. And it’s raining outside and the car’s in the shop. I hate my life. And fuck working in a public library. Nobody ever talks to me. I don’t know why I even bother sometimes…”

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Marilyn Manson fanboy - "Hmm…letsee. What to wear to Mario’s goth get together at the warehouse over on Weatherby? OK I’m gonna go with my Fuck Art Lets Kill tee.

Maybe in 1996.
I don’t even know what the 2013 equivalent of that would be. Some internet meme I don’t understand, I’m sure.

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Stereotypical Fanboy musings:

Nine Inch Nails fanboy - “I just knew she’d never text me back. Fuck that bitch. I’ll bet she’s on the phone right now, lieing to all her friends how about how small I was and much of a useless lay I am. Fuck her. I’ll drive past her house slowly every night from now on and stare menacingly. Ha ha! Teach her to mess with me…”"

Marilyn Manson fanboy - “Hmm…letsee. What to wear to Mario’s goth get together at the warehouse over on Weatherby? OK I’m gonna go with my Fuck Art Lets Kill tee. Yeah That’ll get ém. Oh boy yeah. Bum ba bum ba bum. Doo dee doo. Yeah. All the beautiful peoples gonna be there. Fuckin rock the fuck out. Oooh, I wonder if Simone will bring Greg? I thought she didn’t even like him. Oh but he does have a car though. Hmmm. Maybe I’ll just phone her first to make sure. Dón’t want any ugly encounters. Dum dee dum…”

Ministry fanboy - “Heads it’s pizza. Tails it’s kebab. Fuck I could go a beer. Right NOW. Or maybe score some weed. Oh…fuck i’m broke. Fuck that. I’ll give Tim a call. Fucker owes me rent money anyways. Maybe some Grand Theft Auto later on…”

Slipknot fanboy- “Miranda tonight. No idea what to wear. Maybe just go the ripped jeans, Lamb of God tee. Yeah. Cool fuck-er!! Should I shave my pubes? Will Miranda go for that shit? Do guys even do that shit any more. Fuck it. Fucking cock’ll itch like crazy in the morning anyway. Fuck that shit. Oh I have a pimple…damn.”
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Godflesh fanboy - “Hmmm. No messages. Again. Tv dinner, then internet porn I s’pose. Man, I hate Friday nights.”

Radiohead fanboy - “No milk. Again. And it’s raining outside and the car’s in the shop. I hate my life. And fuck working in a public library. Nobody ever talks to me. I don’t know why I even bother sometimes…”

You got them all right except for Godflesh…we Godflesh fans are swimming in poon…and on Friday nights we eat sushi and lobster off the poon…

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How the hell did this morph into a Robocop / Terminator thread?

Anyway, what about us Justin Broadrick fans?

Can someone here psycho-analyze us?

Because it’s more interesting and less lame than the usual “NIN vs Ministry” garbage that’s been posted on every NIN and Ministry board since the dark ages.

Pffft… nerds. Anyway…

yeah, but the terminator fails in that capacity each time (only talking the first two movies, for the love of god… haha) BECAUSE of the human element. the terminator is consistently brought down by humans who represent the truest and most concentrated connections to the human condition. Kyle Reese/Sarah Connor/John Connor.

being programed not to give up isnt the same as fighting for your life and the life of all those you love. its why guerilla forces always end up with the advantage.

No, it doesn’t. The Terminator succeeds in the second movie after getting it’s arm crushed then ripping it’s own arm out of that giant cog thing, and pulling a long-ass pipe out of it’s torso after being impaled, shutting down, and rebooting. That motherfucker won. And then it kills itself because it’s even too much of a bad ass for itself to handle. Robocop got knocked on his ass by hook and picked up with a magnet and sawn in half by a fucking kid!

The first T-800 came literally (yes, literally) inches away from ripping Sarah Connor’s face off in the first one too and takes out so many motherfuckers it’s pointless to keep count.

Being programmed to not give up is actually exactly the same thing as “fighting for your life”. The same basics apply.

Terminator wins. No contest.

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Haven’t had one in a long time, buy I have recurring nightmares about being chased by a Terminator. It’s really fucked. Not a fun place to be.

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No, it doesn’t. The Terminator succeeds in the second movie after getting it’s arm crushed then ripping it’s own arm out of that giant cog thing, and pulling a long-ass pipe out of it’s torso after being impaled, shutting down, and rebooting. That motherfucker won. And then it kills itself because it’s even too much of a bad ass for itself to handle. Robocop got knocked on his ass by hook and picked up with a magnet and sawn in half by a fucking kid!

The first T-800 came literally (yes, literally) inches away from ripping Sarah Connor’s face off in the first one too and takes out so many motherfuckers it’s pointless to keep count.

Being programmed to not give up is actually exactly the same thing as “fighting for your life”. The same basics apply.

Terminator wins. No contest.

yeah, in the first movie the terminator comes INCHES from killing Sarah, but you know what? he doesnt. he looses. and thus the human element wins.

and in terminator 2, the 800 defeats the 1000 by embracing and being lead BY THE HUMAN ELEMENT. the whole ‘take the chip out’ scene in the old gas station is laying out the argument. the t-1000 is pure automation, and he looses to a lesser machine which is influenced and in its own way connected to a human.

in both movies the mechanical element fails, not without taking a considerable tole on humans in its path of course, but it fails in the end.

the Connors win. the same way that Ripley always beats the Alien. the human element always beats automation in these kinds of movies. its a trope, and a damn fine one. haha.

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The Connor’s would have been absolutely fucking annihilated if the T-800 hadn’t been there in T2. It would’ve been a real short film.
• T-1000 finds John at the galleria
• Shoots him full of holes
• Goes into standby in some cellar until the machines rise
• No John Connor to lead the Resistance
• The machines win and eventually erase humanity or leave it to living underground in it’s own filth, scavenging like NYC sewer rats.

What we’re disagreeing about here, and it’s my fault, is the little bits of story that are there so that the film is actually interesting and lasts more than two minutes. So, the T-800 is gonna face conflict and not beat the ever-loving-shit out of anything and anyone in it’s way and win every time because there’s no movie in that (for most people… maybe). They have to throw in a conflict, a possibility of the protector losing or the attacker having some sort of weakness despite the protagonists doing absolutely everything in attempt of stopping it. There’s few movies that could succeed in being watchable with an completely indestructible hero or villain.

But judging from what the T-800 has been shown to be capable of and what Robocop (who is no slouch either) has been shown to be capable of, the Terminator wins - hands down. The T-1000 would be a no contest winner but not as fun as watching two tanks like the T-800 and Robocop beat the shit out of each other and destroying the interior/walls of random buildings in the process.

Remember in T2 when the T-800 jumps off of that shitty little pickup truck and onto the mack truck the t-1000 is chasing them in, like it’s no big deal, and just starts pumping rounds into the T-1000’s face while kneeling in front of the drivers window as the truck is going balls out on the highway, straight into a steel mill? So bad ass.

Damn, now I wanna go watch the T1 and T2 for the millionth times.

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The Connor’s would have been absolutely fucking annihilated if the T-800 hadn’t been there in T2. It would’ve been a real short film.
• T-1000 finds John at the galleria
• Shoots him full of holes
• Goes into standby in some cellar until the machines rise
• No John Connor to lead the Resistance
• The machines win and eventually erase humanity or leave it to living underground in it’s own filth, scavenging like NYC sewer rats.

What we’re disagreeing about here, and it’s my fault, is the little bits of story that are there so that the film is actually interesting and lasts more than two minutes. So, the T-800 is gonna face conflict and not beat the ever-loving-shit out of anything and anyone in it’s way and win every time because there’s no movie in that (for most people… maybe). They have to throw in a conflict, a possibility of the protector losing or the attacker having some sort of weakness despite the protagonists doing absolutely everything in attempt of stopping it. There’s few movies that could succeed in being watchable with an completely indestructible hero or villain.

But judging from what the T-800 has been shown to be capable of and what Robocop (who is no slouch either) has been shown to be capable of, the Terminator wins - hands down. The T-1000 would be a no contest winner but not as fun as watching two tanks like the T-800 and Robocop beat the shit out of each other and destroying the interior/walls of random buildings in the process.

Remember in T2 when the T-800 jumps off of that shitty little pickup truck and onto the mack truck the t-1000 is chasing them in, like it’s no big deal, and just starts pumping rounds into the T-1000’s face while kneeling in front of the drivers window as the truck is going balls out on the highway, straight into a steel mill? So bad ass.

Damn, now I wanna go watch the T1 and T2 for the millionth times.

haha no, i agree with your point when you say ‘what we are arguing about here…’ haha.

i mean, YES, the 800 is what physically stops the 1000 from killing John. BUT, what i am saying is that the 800 (in a very Blade RUnner style) is warmed by the human element, and even comes to, in a distant way, embrace something human. that final scene when he gives the thumb up to John as he is ushered into nothingness… beautiful. really and honestly a beautiful moment. AND the most human moment that the (or ANY) 800 ever experiences. and it is THAT human strain in him that gives himt he edge over the clearly superior 1000.

and as far as an actual fight between Robocop and the Terminator on screen, i would have to demand that it be directed by Veerhoven. i wouldnt be against Cameron directing it… but… the vicious satire and biting comedy in Robocop pushed old Paul V into the winner’s circle for me, as far as who could handle the film better.

oh, and yes, if you watch T1 and T2, do yourself a favor and watch the newer blu-ray upgrades. T2 looks astounding.

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Oh, sweet lord, the blu-ray special edition of T2 is phenomenal. All of those amazing deleted scenes (aside from the shitty alternate ending which I am so glad they never used) and it all looks even more epic.

Excellent stuff that gives so much more insight and understanding as to why the T-800 becomes “more human” towards the end.

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Okay, since you’re all being awesome for once and talking about stuff that is actually interesting and relevant to our lives for once, I’ve got a little bit of a treat for you. Are you ready?

Okay, a little back story first . . . . the year is 1988. Little Gunnar is in his first year of High School. He doesn’t particularly get along so well with most of the teachers and has a bit of what some professional school psychologists refer to as “a bad attitude” or “a problem with authority”. Well that’s just stupid. The problem was THEM, not Gunnar. If they weren’t so stupid and annoying, Gunnar would have gotten along with them just fine, I tell you!

So, in addition to some seriously madcap hilarious hijinks, Gunnar would spend many of his classroom hours designing Terminators. Terminators that would mercilessly slaughter all the stupid, weak, shrill-voiced, power-hungry, idiots that attempted to thwart him in his daily life.

I came across one such Terminator a few years back while rummaging through some old yearbooks and such. And I am hereby sharing it with you, so that you may gaze on its awesome image of power and strength.

You’re welcome.

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i want to see more of these. these are pretty badass. hahaha.

and on the topic of BR features that are just awesome, anyone here pick up the Alien Anthology BluRay set?

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Okay, since you’re all being awesome for once and talking about stuff that is actually interesting and relevant to our lives for once, I’ve got a little bit of a treat for you. Are you ready?

Okay, a little back story first . . . . the year is 1988. Little Gunnar is in his first year of High School. He doesn’t particularly get along so well with most of the teachers and has a bit of what some professional school psychologists refer to as “a bad attitude” or “a problem with authority”. Well that’s just stupid. The problem was THEM, not Gunnar. If they weren’t so stupid and annoying, Gunnar would have gotten along with them just fine, I tell you!

So, in addition to some seriously madcap hilarious hijinks, Gunnar would spend many of his classroom hours designing Terminators. Terminators that would mercilessly slaughter all the stupid, weak, shrill-voiced, power-hungry, idiots that attempted to thwart him in his daily life.

I came across one such Terminator a few years back while rummaging through some old yearbooks and such. And I am hereby sharing it with you, so that you may gaze on its awesome image of power and strength.

You’re welcome.

God Damn!!! The one fist looks like a mace…what is the other weapon of destruction on the other fist? Is it shooting electric bolts or something?

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Stereotypical Fanboy musings:

Nine Inch Nails fanboy - “I just knew she’d never text me back. Fuck that bitch. I’ll bet she’s on the phone right now, lieing to all her friends how about how small I was and much of a useless lay I am. Fuck her. I’ll drive past her house slowly every night from now on and stare menacingly. Ha ha! Teach her to mess with me…”"

Marilyn Manson fanboy - “Hmm…letsee. What to wear to Mario’s goth get together at the warehouse over on Weatherby? OK I’m gonna go with my Fuck Art Lets Kill tee. Yeah That’ll get ém. Oh boy yeah. Bum ba bum ba bum. Doo dee doo. Yeah. All the beautiful peoples gonna be there. Fuckin rock the fuck out. Oooh, I wonder if Simone will bring Greg? I thought she didn’t even like him. Oh but he does have a car though. Hmmm. Maybe I’ll just phone her first to make sure. Dón’t want any ugly encounters. Dum dee dum…”

Ministry fanboy - “Heads it’s pizza. Tails it’s kebab. Fuck I could go a beer. Right NOW. Or maybe score some weed. Oh…fuck i’m broke. Fuck that. I’ll give Tim a call. Fucker owes me rent money anyways. Maybe some Grand Theft Auto later on…”

Slipknot fanboy- “Miranda tonight. No idea what to wear. Maybe just go the ripped jeans, Lamb of God tee. Yeah. Cool fuck-er!! Should I shave my pubes? Will Miranda go for that shit? Do guys even do that shit any more. Fuck it. Fucking cock’ll itch like crazy in the morning anyway. Fuck that shit. Oh I have a pimple…damn.”
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Godflesh fanboy - “Hmmm. No messages. Again. Tv dinner, then internet porn I s’pose. Man, I hate Friday nights.”

Radiohead fanboy - “No milk. Again. And it’s raining outside and the car’s in the shop. I hate my life. And fuck working in a public library. Nobody ever talks to me. I don’t know why I even bother sometimes…”

Tool fanboy: Instead of going out tonight I’m going to access my second level of consciousness. I’m currently at 44 and 2, but shortly I know I’ll evolve in the next level. I shall prepared the path for all humans to change. If I could just get to my 46 and 2 state, I’d have such a mental and spiritual change I bet people would like me much better. Then I would get invited to the parties.

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Hmmm. Personally, I think your Terminator looks more like a Cenobite.

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Hmmm. Personally, I think your Terminator looks more like a Cenobite.

That’s a good call…that head/face is very Centobite-ish…

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Hmmm. Personally, I think your Terminator looks more like a Cenobite.

That’s okay, and might have subconsciously influenced some of the design, as I’m a big fan of PINHEAD and the Cenobites too. Coincidentally, I just bought a 4-movie DVD yesterday with Hellraiser IV-VIII on it for $4, but I digress . . .

I always preferred my robots to still look like robots, no matter how advanced or deadly. This is one of the main reasons I am FURIOUS with the leaked pics of what is supposedly the new Robocop.

But, yeah, I like robots to look like robots, so they never try to pretend to be something they are not. They are not going to pretend to wanna go on a date or go to the beach or see a movie. They are programmed for massive killing capacity and it is what they do best.

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I like how on his chest it says:

Terminato
r

and the “KILL” on one arm and “HIM” on the other.

That’s true badassery. However, I think the Lost in Space antennae with the radio wave between them belongs on a lesser robot. Just sayin.

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It’s like a Voivod Terminator.

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I like how on his chest it says:

Terminato
r

and the “KILL” on one arm and “HIM” on the other.

That’s true badassery. However, I think the Lost in Space antennae with the radio wave between them belongs on a lesser robot. Just sayin.[/reply]

Yeah, it’s hard to tell because the ink has bled over the years, but you can sort of make out something under the “Him”, right? That actually says, “& Mrs. Sanders”. You see, this Terminator, or, Terminato-R, as the model may be, was designed specifically to kill Mr. Bradley, my Biology teacher. I later re-programmed him to also include a directive to kill Mrs. Sanders, my English teacher. So, this robot has actually two commands.

  • Kill Mr. Bradley.
  • Kill Mrs. Sanders.
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So you gonna tell me whats going on with that left hand…?