it all starts at home, most of the time. his youth sadly determined his future. after that, he was fucked.
His lifestyle! Determines his death style!
About 7 years after, I dated a gal whose Aunt was raped and murdered by him. Also, goth rocker Eva O (ref: Christian Death/ Super Heroines/ Eva O Halo Experience) dated the man himself and wrote a song about it.
My ex girlfriend’s mother was murdered by her second husband.
They went on a hunting trip into the Blue Mountains and while out there, he shot her in the back of the head, then drove all the way back home (about 600 miles) leaving her there to rot.
What a fuckhead.
Merle Allin (yeah, GG’s brother) has kept communication with the guy for quite some time (because he’s weird and likes to talk to serial killers and get their artwork).
Merle Allin deserves to be more famous than he already is…
That Museum of Death place sounds bonkers…what else was ther besides the serial killer section?
It was like the live action version of rotten dot com. Pictures of the most grotesque death scenes you could imagine along with the stories that went with them.
one of the first pictures when you walked in appeared to be from the 30’s or 40’s and it was a man standing out in the desert next to his car only his head was down on the ground about 3 or 4 feet from his body “looking” at himself. There was no story with that pic.
room dedicated to love/murder. one picture was of a dude who had his penis severed and was shoved in his mouth he was stabbed to death by his wife and her new lover. the story goes they used it as a dildo as well as fucked on his corpse. several stories like that in that room
A room dedicated to famous deaths. they had a space reserved for the cobain pics they were expecting to get “any day now”
rooms for suicide, mob hits, drive bys, car accidents, military deaths(the most notable was of one which looked like vietnam and the guy had been skinned from the head down and he was tied standing up to two stakes) and of course serial killers. one room had only a tv and they played faces of death tracers of death and all of those death videos one at a time all day.
So, yeah nothing you can’t find on the net if you wanted to.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Good grief.
I’m sick just thinking about it.
What a horribly wretched place.
I certainly don’t need to see the place, but I am interested in knowing more ABOUT it. How big is it? Was there other people there? It’s just funded by admission prices?
Did you meet the creeps that run the place? I’m repulsed and fascinated that this place exists.
Faces of Death were mostly fabricated baloney, but those “Traces of Death” videos were the real deal. I was watching a lot of that stuff around the mid 90’s. I guess somewhere along the way I decided to grow a conscience or something. I just cannot (and more importantly WILL not) watch that crap anymore. I guess it was a macho man thing for me and my friends to do back in the day, but I think of the fact that there are people that actually ENJOY such film . . . like REALLY enjoy it, and it just makes me feel incredibly depressed and dirty and ashamed of humanity.
It started in Hollywood, then the city kicked them out and they moved to San Diego. Now, for some reason, it’s back in Hollywood.
Good grief.
I’m sick just thinking about it.
What a horribly wretched place.
Oh, yeah, it will haunt you. and it will fuck with you wondering if you will end up one of those pictures hoping that you don’t.
I certainly don’t need to see the place, but I am interested in knowing more ABOUT it. How big is it?
Well the one in San Diego was pretty small maybe about the size of a double wide trailer (even though it was in a building) but with smaller rooms to accommodate all the different “exhibits”. in some cases it was just partition board. and super narrow hallways!!
Was there other people there?
We stayed about an hour. I went with one of my sister’s friends, she had a year pass her aunt bought for her birthday as a gag. (HA HA get it? gag? and we’re talking about rotting death!! I love accidental humor!)
but in the hour there may have been 6 people I remember one couple didn’t stay the guy wanted to and the girl flipped out crying and laughing saying she didn’t want to see it and couldn’t do anymore and they left.
there was also one guy in the video room when we got there and he was still there watching when we left.
It’s just funded by admission prices?
It was back then. I don’t know if anything has changed
Did you meet the creeps that run the place?
Yes, fairly normal couple late 40’s early 50’s the man was very large heavy set. I don’t remember the woman. Sat their tending the register, didn’t hype the place or look down on anyone, he may as well have been running a newspaper kiosk.
I’m repulsed and fascinated that this place exists.
It really is a live action rotten dot com. one go round was enough. the stuff that really bothered me after words were the serial killer’s art. some of that stuff is just was just ocd it truly was frightening.
Faces of Death were mostly fabricated baloney,
yeah the multiple camera angles on what was supposed to be a chance recording gave that away early on
but those “Traces of Death” videos were the real deal.
Never saw any of these all the way through. I was at a friends house in college one time and saw some jungle cannibals hunt down some dude and cut his schlong off with a bone knife but I don’t know if it was tracers or not. I didn’t need to see anymore.
I was watching a lot of that stuff around the mid 90’s.
I had a brief passing with it around that time too. at the time the place was called gore gallery dot com (I think it became rotten) but i grew disturbed by it pretty quick my buddy on the other hand took a little longer. because I had this previous exposure I figured I could handle the museum which I did but I’m done with all that stuff. I’ve seen it no need to revisit it ever again.
I guess somewhere along the way I decided to grow a conscience or something.
I got tired of not being able to get those images out of my head. felt like I wasn’t in control of my brain. I didn’t like that. Once you see something you can’t unsee it.
I just cannot (and more importantly WILL not) watch that crap anymore.
that’s me now, too.
I guess it was a macho man thing for me and my friends to do back in the day,
I think for me it was the curiosity factor you don’t see this shit ever so I wanted to see it … “Oh hey here’s a dead lady with her nipples cut out let’s see what it looks like…” I was a dumb kid to want to see any of that.
but I think of the fact that there are people that actually ENJOY such film . . . like REALLY enjoy it,
I’m of two minds when it comes to this. 1: yay it’s out there for them to view so that can pretend and do whatever they need to in the comfort of their dwelling and need not really participate in that shit. but the other side says 2. what happens when pretending isn’t enough and they do have to recreate their own shit <shudder>. did those images contribute to that or slow it down? who knows.
and it just makes me feel incredibly depressed and dirty and ashamed of humanity.
I agree
It started in Hollywood, then the city kicked them out and they moved to San Diego. Now, for some reason, it’s back in Hollywood.
That’s the place. The quick info on the website about death education was what they said back in '97 or '98 back when I saw it.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Faces of Death is sick. A friend of mine showed me that video clip of the American politician, Bud What’s-Is-Name, blowing his brains out on tv and I almost fainted. It’s sick and pointless to revel in death like that.
Budd Dwyer. Pretty fucked up footage.
That wasn’t Faces Of Death, the long-form “documentary” series of real and/or extreme deaths. Ironically, none of the footage is of real mayhem, only the scenes filmed in real-life slaughterhouses in the first film were real. I think the Dwyer footage was in Traces Of Death, or Death Scenes. Don’t ask how I know all this pointless knowledge. BUT…
As much as I do not agree with mass murderers or serial killers, I admit I am fascinated by them. I have a lot of true crime novels devoted to them, and love horror films that are inspired or devoted to them. If I didn’t find the subject of psychology such a bore, I would probably make a career devoted to “getting into the mind” of these deviants ala Clarice Starling or that shitty new TV show with Kevin Bacon.
Speaking of which, if no one has seen Dahmer, you’re missing out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahmer_(film)
Faces of Death is sick. A friend of mine showed me that video clip of the American politician, Bud What’s-Is-Name, blowing his brains out on tv and I almost fainted. It’s sick and pointless to revel in death like that.
I don’t think that was faces of death. I remember faces of death all being old 70’s shit. bud killed himself in the late 80s
I showed my wife that clip of bud dwyer and she cried. I guess I didn’t properly prepare her, I felt bad, but we were talking about that song by filter “hey man nice shot,” and it’s about bud dwyer. so I say hey it’s about a politician who kills himself here watch! and well you know the rest.
so yeah ugliness for the sake of ugliness is worse than ugly.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Haha! Taken from the museum’s website. They make sure to clarify “Traces (not Faces)” so you know you won’t be getting any fabricated jibberjabber. Like, yo, y’all better not be givin’ me no fake ass death up in hurr!! . . .
“Also on display are videos of autopsies and serial killers, the Heaven’s Gate Cult recruiting video, and the infamous Traces (not Faces) of Death video, all real (not re-enacted) death footage.”
When I visited, they had an entire room dedicated to the Heaven’s Gate cult. The guy told me he was able to buy the actual bunk beds and purple shrouds in a police auction. Then they dressed up some dummies and threw some Nike’s on them. So when you walked in the room, it was like walking into the crime scene.
Pretty creepy.
When I visited, they had an entire room dedicated to the Heaven’s Gate cult. The guy told me he was able to buy the actual bunk beds and purple shrouds in a police auction. Then they dressed up some dummies and threw some Nike’s on them. So when you walked in the room, it was like walking into the crime scene.
Pretty creepy.
That type of thing actually sounds pretty cool. I actually like seeing creepy THINGS (including serial killer art). I guess where it really hits me and makes me sick is actual footage/photos of violent brutal stuff, especially with sound. Sounds seem to haunt me even more than images, but the combination of the two is just more than I can handle.
It’s been a while, but if I remember correctly, the video installations were here and there. Kind of like a real museum. You could avoid them if you wanted to. Otherwise, it was various artifacts behind glass.
Other than the Heaven’s Gate thing, I remember various trinkets from famous crimes/murders. I remember one of the things that struck me was exhibition of two actual cans of Zyklon B–one full, one empty.
I remember one of the things that struck me was exhibition of two actual cans of Zyklon B–one full, one empty.
“Listen . . . Hear that? Empty. This thing was used, Man! Think about it!”
I too went through a phase of watching the Faces of Death videos…as a matter of fact, this thread made me just go on youtube and skim the first Traces of Death, which was alot more graphic than Faces. yikes. how was I able to stomach this stuff in the past?
seems that we, as humans, have that primal piece of our brain that is fascinated with death. for instance, if a man is going to jump from the 30th floor of the building, how many people will gather in a crowd and watch? sure, many in that crowd will hope he’ll be saved, maybe shout out words of encouragment. but you know there will be some in the crowd expecting him to jump, almost being fascinated with that thought.
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“you and me, man we’re the same. The same you and me”
I too went through a phase of watching the Faces of Death videos…as a matter of fact, this thread made me just go on youtube and skim the first Traces of Death, which was alot more graphic than Faces. yikes. how was I able to stomach this stuff in the past?
seems that we, as humans, have that primal piece of our brain that is fascinated with death. for instance, if a man is going to jump from the 30th floor of the building, how many people will gather in a crowd and watch? sure, many in that crowd will hope he’ll be saved, maybe shout out words of encouragment. but you know there will be some in the crowd expecting him to jump, almost being fascinated with that thought.
Death is something we are all going to experience first hand. let’s all just hope we don’t go out in a brutal screaming fashion and that it’s peaceful.
Late,
grmpysmrf
I too went through a phase of watching the Faces of Death videos…as a matter of fact, this thread made me just go on youtube and skim the first Traces of Death, which was alot more graphic than Faces. yikes. how was I able to stomach this stuff in the past?
Let me just repeat this again:
FACES of Death: Mostly Fake, Scripted, FX, etc. (Some of which did not age well at all).
TRACES of Death: 100% real footage. Death metal soundtrack was added and I think there are some edits to give some slow-mo, replays, and close-ups, but that was it as far as any modifications/enhancements to to raw film material. Nothing was scripted or fabricated. In truth, I think the metal soundtrack, while gross, as it shows how the producers take it all as a funny joke, makes the material easier to experience. Hearing actual sounds (cracks, screams, gurgles, cries, etc.) is far more horrifying.
There are plenty of other series and one-offs of this true-death type stuff as well. My favorites (yes, sorry, I used to be a connoisseur, I guess) were the animal attack ones. Perhaps there was a sense of justice and come-uppance that made this palatable to me. Some goofball riding a KILLER WHALE at Sea World gets attacked and KILLED by a KILLER whale . . . He can’t really say he didn’t know what he signed up for, right?
Some goofball riding a KILLER WHALE at Sea World gets attacked and KILLED by a KILLER whale . . . He can’t really say he didn’t know what he signed up for, right?
Ha Ha that’s like never being able to sue someone who hit you with their car if they’re driving a dodge…
It says right on the grill, DODGE!
Late,
grmpysmrf
“Listen . . . Hear that? Empty. This thing was used, Man! Think about it!”
Ha! Exactly what I thought when I saw it.