more details for The Last Sucker set for release 9-18-07

Discussion
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You can argue this sort of thing until the cows come home - and there’s no denying that valid points have been made on both sides. But wasn’t the original issue that most people are bored and a little fed up with the path Ministry’s music has taken in the last couple of years? Yr straying from the path. Personally I find it to be clumsy, repetitive, poorly worded, crude and ineffective grandstanding. Very little in the way of variation and innovation and an almost stubborn refusal to embrace anything fresh and original. Others may like what he’s doing (HELLO PISSARMY), others may not. Despite what y’all may think I’m hardly the most pro Bush guy out there (yes, he’s a buffoon) - hell I don’t even live in the US!! So I can’t really effectively critique the way a foreign country is being run without looking like an idiot. But I can critique the album of a band I have been listening to since 1991 - and I think it’s just shite. So disappointing from an artist that has blown my mind so many times with his past output.

Ministry was (once upon a time) a sort of quasi-industrial Killing Joke meets Pil meets Big Black meets Black Sabbath well oiled machine. They were scary and mysterious. They had an album where Gibby Haynes babbled insanely about hotrods and Jesus and another with deathly techno industrial beats smattered with the creepiest synth and sampling I have yet to hear equalled. Suffice to say - one listen and I was hooked.

But what of now?? What is Ministry c. 2007?? Let’s se…They seem to have been reduced to an embarrassing rag tag bunch of thrash metal has beens (Prong anyone??) led by a paranoid left wing madman, artistically stuck in 1993, venting his spleen against the government in the most blatantly lopsided and unoriginal, not to mention downright childish, way imaginable. Hell, if these new albums didn’t bear the Ministry logo (and what a sorry looking logo THAT’s become - incorporated Anarchy/Peace signs?? - could it be any more trite???) I wouldn’t give them the time of day…

And it would seem that that’s what really bugs the majority of members here. Not how well/poorly the president is running the country. Not increased taxes or loopy vice presidents or the ‘price of gas’ (heaven forbid!!!) Please Mrs Jay, before you berate us again with yr schoolmistress standover tactics for…um…not ‘getting it’, remember that it was the music and not it’s political ‘relevance’ that captivated us all in the first place. Stop using ‘the all important message’ to hide this tired and insipid music.

Cos honestly baby…I don’t give a shit who you vote for.

Nor should I. Nor should anyone here.

This post really stood out to me from everything I’ve read so far. Where’s the musical creativity? Every song is just paint-by-numbers Thrash Metal with an Industrial edge. I didn’t realize how much innovation Barker really brought to the band until the transition from a swan song album like ‘Animositisomina’ to ‘Houses of the Mole’ which only had a few good tracks. And then ‘Rio Grande Blood’ was even worse. Captivating on first listen for its sheer intensity, but then quickly becoming redundant and tired sounding.

And grmpysmrf, Marilyn Manson and the other artists you mentioned have been far more clever and subtle in voicing their political views than Uncle Al has with his Bush trilogy.

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The first limited edition of “The Last Sucker” CD will be made available in a very special hologram cover showing George W. Bush turning into a reptile when moving the hologram.

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And grmpysmrf, Marilyn Manson and the other artists you mentioned have been far more clever and subtle in voicing their political views than Uncle Al has with his Bush trilogy.

I agree but the point I was adressing was one where someone said “Music isn’t the place to make a Political statement” and to that I say NAAAAAAAAAAY and posted some examples. I’d say all of them haven’t been Subtle at all! clever yes, subtle NO!
Late,
grmpysmrf

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…wasn’t the original issue that most people are bored and a little fed up with the path Ministry’s music has taken in the last couple of years? [/quote]

Maybe on this board but who knows overall?

Yr straying from the path.

Not really, because the topic evolved when a reason was suggested for the new path. Nobody said you were Wrong/right about the sound but just an Idea as to why it has changed. so it’s not really off topic, it’s related

Personally I find it to be clumsy, repetitive, poorly worded, crude and ineffective grandstanding. Very little in the way of variation and innovation and an almost stubborn refusal to embrace anything fresh and original.

Everybody knows (that the dice are loaded hmph hmph hmph- I love that song too!) your stance

Others may like what he’s doing (HELLO PISSARMY), others may not. Despite what y’all may think I’m hardly the most pro Bush guy out there (yes, he’s a buffoon) - hell I don’t even live in the US!!

That kinda ran off topic pretty quick. You started off saying the music sucks and now in the same breath your saying Bush is a Buffoon. You don’t need to be a Bush lover/hater to like the material. For example, I know a gang load of republicans that LOVE the Daily Show with Jon Stewart even though He’s totally making fun of their party, Daily! either it’s just good material or they are too stupid to know they’re being bashed! I’d like to think it’s just good material. So to come back to my point you don’t have to love the message to like the show!

So I can’t really effectively critique the way a foreign country is being run without looking like an idiot. But I can critique the album of a band I have been listening to since 1991 - and I think it’s just shite. So disappointing from an artist that has blown my mind so many times with his past output.

Again, I think everyone is well aware of your stance

led by a paranoid left wing madman, artistically stuck in 1993, venting his spleen against the government in the most blatantly lopsided and unoriginal, not to mention downright childish, way imaginable.

Stuck in '92!! By '93 Clinton was in office and the Government Diatribes had ceased. And come on!!! LEFT WING MAD MAN??? If you have been paying attention at all you HAVE TO KNOW 2/3 of his lyrics (While yes maybe childish)are still relevent. so I don’t know where LEFT WING madman comes in. This country was SO right wing (and still is for the most part) it’s not hard to look like left winger and still be right of the middle.

Hell, if these new albums didn’t bear the Ministry logo (and what a sorry looking logo THAT’s become - incorporated Anarchy/Peace signs?? - could it be any more trite???) I wouldn’t give them the time of day…

Don’t forget the No W Sign that is also the Ministry M… as if it matters

And it would seem that that’s what really bugs the majority of members here. Not how well/poorly the president is running the country. Not increased taxes or loopy vice presidents or the ‘price of gas’ (heaven forbid!!!) Please Mrs Jay, before you berate us again with yr schoolmistress standover tactics for…um…not ‘getting it’, remember that it was the music and not it’s political ‘relevance’ that captivated us all in the first place. Stop using ‘the all important message’ to hide this tired and insipid music.

Be fair. I was the one who said you are not “getting it.” But the way you have written it, it seems you have pulled it out of context

[quote]Cos honestly baby…I don’t give a shit who you vote for.

Nor should I. Nor should anyone here.

I think your right and what’s kinda sad is you don’t know your right cause if you “Got it” it’s being informed that counts if you are informed and still think the way you do then more power to you!
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grmpysmrf

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here’s a deatail some people will like (and some don’t) - it’s leaked. already. well, it’s the promo, actually, but there is no difference. in a couple of hours it will be all over the internet methinks.

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here’s a deatail some people will like (and some don’t) - it’s leaked. already. well, it’s the promo, actually, but there is no difference. in a couple of hours it will be all over the internet methinks.

I just posted that in the other thread of the same nature.

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oh, wait till u hear the dick song. it will remind you of something recent.

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here’s a deatail some people will like (and some don’t) - it’s leaked. already. well, it’s the promo, actually, but there is no difference. in a couple of hours it will be all over the internet methinks.

How about a link there?
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grmpysmrf

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i got it from a private tracker, sorry, can’t provide any links or anything

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i got it from a private tracker, sorry, can’t provide any links or anything

Why don’t you repost it on a public tracker? How about umm…I don’t know …mininova.org give it soem obscure name…You don’t even have to sign up to post it
Late,
grmpysmrf

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so, how’s the album gila?
I’m just awaiting a yousendit or megaupload link

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pretty much what i expected. there are some things that i just know jizzwad and peligro will definately notice (if they are going to bother to listen to the album) and will rip on them at full force.

i mean the formula is still the same, one track has that annoying crowd noise sample that plagued whole rio grande blood album, and the bush is sampled only in two tracks, maybe three. the rest of the samples are as generic as that shit in the beginning of lieslieslies.

conclusion - if you liked rio grande, you’ll like this one for sure; then again, face it, noone was expecting any revelatory stuff…

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bummer. thanks for the info though man. appreciated.

not even sure if I wanna download it, maybe I’ll wait till after it’s out for a while and then pick it up used at a disounted price.

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its going strong on oink if people have accounts there.

it’s also on mininova for those of you that mess with public trackers.

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Just to give you a chance to not read my minmi review

Hopefully it’s joke album (Like Tool Puts out) Cause it seems like the Melodies are exactly the same same as
RGB… Only the lyrics have been changed. Let’s go sounds like the bass line to RGB, The dick song sounds like LIes slowed WAAAAAAAAAY down [although Gila Doesn’t necesarilly agree :slight_smile: ]
Seems to me the over all tempo of the album is slower. there is more low end (at least comparitively) and I’m sure it’s easily the weakest of the “Trilogy” Man it’s gonna get ugly in here!
Late,
grmpysmrf

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Should we start a new thread with a spoiler warning to review this album, or would that be raising a red flag?

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please do! I’d like to read some spoilers

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It’s sad when you consider ministry great in the 80s-90s. They were creative and refreshing. But it’s really overkill, like no one else here has realized. I’m a little scared to hear this. They go on and say “the older fans will definate enjoy this!”. Are there any keyboards/synths at all? I’ll “acquire” it, when availiable. I didn’t buy RGB and probably the same for this one as well.

Houses of the Mole wasn’t bad at all, and I actually liked it. Anything after that: not so much. You would assume, it’s the final ministry album; why not go out in glory? You started as an industrial band (not counting with sympathy, for sympathy sake no pun intended). I would’ve given the fans what they wanted and have been bitching for. Instead you’re just setting yourself on fire and irritating a shitload of people. Al is a shitty business person, and that’s pretty damn obvious. And for a guy who just writes albums, bitches and cracks his political jokes; he really hasn’t done anything. And you’re going to focus your entire final album on the same exact thing you’ve been stabbing towards for the last few years. I’m a huge fan of mostly everything from 83-03. But in my honest opinion, ministry has become a joke.

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The artwork for the album can be found here :

http://www.sureshotworx.de/public/fil/5/repitlebush.jpg

Peace!

Krowe

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I would’ve given the fans what they wanted and have been bitching for. Instead you’re just setting yourself on fire and irritating a shitload of people. Al is a shitty business person, and that’s pretty damn obvious. And for a guy who just writes albums, bitches and cracks his political jokes; he really hasn’t done anything.

perhaps Al is a Wonderful businessman… Your coming at this as if the Prongs board is the largest fan base ever. When it surely is not. Maybe there are far more people out there that like the new shit than the 20 or so here on the board that don’t. I’m pretty sure Piss army #'s are bigger than Prongs #‘s well at least that’s what the majority say here on the board…I’ve heard the New album it’s pretty yucky, seems like a rehash of old melodies and newer melodies easily the worst of the “trilogy” But for fucks sake MOVE ON! Damn who cares? You aren’t diggin the music, you don’t like the message, It’s obviously NOT FOR YOU. I’m sorry to sound dick headish but I mean enough already (And I don’t mean just you)… He’s not going to take it back and call do over!! I can honestly say this is the First Ministry album that I haven’t been happy to hear, it’s not catchy, the lyrics are pretty silly, I find myself singing other Ministry songs while the new songs are playing. but come on There are worse things to be bummed out over. Take george Bush for example (Sorry Couldnt’ resist!) Dont stop being a fan based on 2-3 bad albums It’s not even 1/4 of the catalogue
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grmpysmrf