If I got 2 tickets to see a band I didn’t care about because a bought a burger named after them, there’s an 85% chance that I wouldn’t go. So I’m thinking it will be a pretty sparsely attended event.
Yeah, it’s pretty funny.
I mean, the burger sounds amazing, so I would suspect (assuming there’s an actual sign for it or something so people know it’s available) that more people would buy it than just Ministry fans.
Yeah. Doesn’t this almost “guarantee” lower attendance if you give away tickets that have a high chance of being unused?
I think it would be more effective to just announce on the Ministry/ Patreon/ Twitter, etc., that "Will Call Tickets available for $10 each for the first 100 people who register . . . ". (Of course the real number is probably about 1200, but you gotta generate some faked urgency).
Anyway, I’m really interested to see how this all plays out. Part of me feels like Al, knowing that people no longer let him get away with his stupid “you’ll pay for what I tell you to pay for and like it” bullshit will finally go balls-out and do a total out-of-the-blue setlist loaded with surprises . . . . but then I remember this is Al Jourgensen we’re talking about.
Also, Al can be a moody little bastard so I kind of doubt he’s going to be all sunshine and lollipops for this gig, knowing what an abysmal failure it was on the front end.
Well, shortly after those very last shows ever in Chicago, they announced that, actually, those were just the “last shows EVER in the US” and the REAL “last shows EVER” would be in Dublin, Ireland . . . some of us flew out for those as well.
Did you? I didn’t know that. Wow. I don’t actually feel bad though, I had a blast in Chicago.
RE: NYE
At this point, I’d worry about it getting canceled. If ticket sales are that low (enough to give away with a burger), at what point does the promoter bail on this thing?
[reply]Well, shortly after those very last shows ever in Chicago, they announced that, actually, those were just the “last shows EVER in the US” and the REAL “last shows EVER” would be in Dublin, Ireland . . . some of us flew out for those as well.
Did you? I didn’t know that. Wow. I don’t actually feel bad though, I had a blast in Chicago.
RE: NYE
At this point, I’d worry about it getting canceled. If ticket sales are that low (enough to give away with a burger), at what point does the promoter bail on this thing?[/reply]
Yeah, I did. I didn’t go solely for Ministry, though. I doubled up with a business trip so my travel was paid. Even so, though, it was a total blast. There were about 15-20 of us from the Piss Army that came from various corners of the world for a few days of devastation and debauchery. The concerts were fun, but almost incidental to just getting to hang out and party with a bunch of great peeps.
At this point, I’d worry about it getting canceled. If ticket sales are that low (enough to give away with a burger), at what point does the promoter bail on this thing?
I don’t know.
I mean, I don’t know how everything works, but I think at this point it’s more about the venue just trying to get all the bodies in that they can so that they can salvage the night with alcohol sales.
Also, Al can be a moody little bastard so I kind of doubt he’s going to be all sunshine and lollipops for this gig, knowing what an abysmal failure it was on the front end.
He probably gets paid no matter how many people show up so You really think he cares how many people show up?
Do you think he has enough forthought to think future gigs may be difficult to get if he cant sell out NYE in his own town? I dont think Al cares as long as he gets paid, and has not thought past this paycheck.
So in short the set list will be the same.
It’s kind of weird that I’m getting so much joy out of watching something I love(d) so dearly go down in such an embarrassing clusterf**k of shame.
I guess a lot of us jaded fans and ex-fans kind of feel like this is the part at the end of the 80’s movie where that douchey prick that got away with his douchey prickiness finally has it all catch up to him.
It’s kind of weird that I’m getting so much joy out of watching something I love(d) so dearly go down in such an embarrassing clusterf**k of shame.
I guess a lot of us jaded fans and ex-fans kind of feel like this is the part at the end of the 80’s movie where that douchey prick that got away with his douchey prickiness finally has it all catch up to him.
Another round of popcorn for my friends, please!
I can’t feel bad about it because the interview and advertisements for the 2008 tour where he said they would play something from every album. if I hadn’t seen the setlist online first and found out at the show it was nonsense, I would have been PISSED.
It’s kind of weird that I’m getting so much joy out of watching something I love(d) so dearly go down in such an embarrassing clusterf**k of shame.
Yeah, I wouldn’t necessarily say I’m getting joy out of it. But it is like watching a really slow motion train wreck happen.
I just wish he’d realize that catering to the fans sometimes isn’t the same as “being just a jukebox”. But even if nobody shows, it still won’t happen. He’ll just blame it on weather or a shitty promoter or whatever.
I guess joy isn’t exactly the right word.
I actually feel bad for the band who have always put in the work.
I just saw another post on FB about them playing old songs . . . we’ll see. Those 50 people that show up to the gig after enjoying a damn fine burger might just get the show of a lifetime.
I guess my question now would be: is there ANY other band or performer you know that has so stubbornly insisted on playing the same set list for years, never changing it up even for supposedly special occasions?
I remember being let down once that I went to see James Brown expecting some “deep cuts”-powered Star Time from the Godfather, but instead got a play-it-safe onslaught of “I Feel Good”, “Living in America,” “Brand New Bag” etc…
But hell, at least those are songs that transcend certain aspects of the time in which they were written, and it’s not like there was some chorus of gourmet fans that felt cheated about not getting to hear the ‘Slaughter’s Big Rip Off’ soundtrack in its entirety.
So - any takers? Does there exist any performer with as limited a setlist as Ministry?
Speaking as a promoter, bands of Ministry’s stature will have signed contracts from the promoter guaranteeing that they’ll pad the band no matter what happens.
But a band likes to play to a healthy crowd. Half empty rooms and lethargic crowds do suck the life out of bands. For example, Today is the Day (a fairly legendary band in hardcore/grind circles) did a tour of the UK/Ireland a number of years ago. The biggest crowds they played to were 50 people. And they’ve never been back, because of that.
I’d say Al probably isn’t informed about how many freebies are being given out, but he’d be more than aware that Ministry aren’t the pull they were.
At this stage, the only thing that’ll save him is a reunion with the Book Club and a tour where TMIATTTT and Psalm 69 are played live in their entirety.
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So - any takers? Does there exist any performer with as limited a setlist as Ministry?
AC/DC
Ozzy[/reply]
I’ve seen 'em both several times.
Setlist is always varied . . . though there are obviously a good number of “hits” that you can guarantee will be played.
Both they do also follow a fairly standard veteran classic rock formula, though, of “4-5 songs from new album and a shuffling of old classics to follow”.
AC/DC, especially.
You’ll get cuts from the newest album and then you jump back to ALL tried-and-true classics. Aside from “Those About To Rock” and “Thunderstruck” it is pretty much all Back in Black and earlier (which is quite all right for most of us, haha)
AC/DC, especially.
You’ll get cuts from the newest album and then you jump back to ALL tried-and-true classics. Aside from “Those About To Rock” and “Thunderstruck” it is pretty much all Back in Black and earlier (which is quite all right for most of us, haha)
Well as far as AntiChrist / Devil’s Children are concerned; they kind of get a pass for having a conservative setlist, since they haven’t changed their musical formula for decades. I mean, are you gonna go home unhappy if you get ‘TNT’ again instead of a very very slight variation on it?
And as long as they play Thirty Thieves And The Thunder Chief at some point in the set, I’m cool.
But that’s similar to Jourgensen. The same old classics you’ve heard tour after tour after tour…
I’ve seen Ozzy twice (five years apart) and the setlists were identical.
Similar?
Rock or Bust
Shoot to Thrill
Hell Ain’t a Bad Place to Be
Back in Black
Play Ball
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
Thunderstruck
High Voltage
Rock ‘n’ Roll Train
Hells Bells
Baptism by Fire
You Shook Me All Night Long
Sin City
Shot Down in Flames
Have a Drink on Me
T.N.T.
Whole Lotta Rosie
Let There Be Rock
Highway to Hell
For Those About to Rock (We Salute You)
AC/DC plays a few cuts from their new album, a couple from the recent years and then about 15-20 assorted and revolving classics (a handful of guarantees but many changes too).
Ministry play a handful of songs from their new album, a bunch from the BUSH Trilogy (because it’s topical, haha!) and then THE SAME 4 “CLASSICS” . . . .
NWO, Just One Fix, Thieves, So What
Every.
Damn.
Time.
I’ve actually not seen Ozzy in the last 10 years. If he duped a setlist I’ll take your word for it.