Lots of Al Bashing going on in here?

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There is very little intellectual fervour being expressed by most of you alleged Jourgensen fans. How the heck do you terds measure growth?

Let me guess…you want Al to clean up his voice and start swooning again like he used to (I wouldn’t mind that at all, in fact-it might actually be quite a refreshing change and one hell of a shocker) but you have to realize that this man has been pickled and fermented and stoked and seasoned to the point of no return.

Through Al’s psychosis of convincing himself that he was abused by Top 40 producers, there is no way in hell he would do anything remotely tuneful or warmly melodic. Combine that with the fact that he has died, went to hell and came back to life (yep, I’m talking about the booze, cigarettes, smack, white lines and mowy wowy 24/7 for longer than he’d want to admit) and now walks the earth as a member of the living dead, Jourgensen sounds more like a cyber-zombie articulating poetic politics when he sings. It’s chilling and haunting whilst rather alluringly seductive because he’s a passionate guy and regardless how gutteral and grindy he tries to sound, you still hear the warmth and humanity of it all…it’s fucking beautiful, man!

This fact melded with the excellent versatility of songwriting (within the postpunk metal vernacular, of course) and dexterous musicianship by AJ and his sonicular associates is most definitely a premium blend of high art growth and glory, my ineptuous lil’ droogies.

Let me guess, growth to you clueless fucks is NIN’s Year Zero 'cause Reznor decided to wail the shit out of a Moog synthesizer while ripping off Jourgensen’s sampling ideas from Twitch and LORAH and even Psalm 69 in some places…relax, I’m referring to the sampling ideas, not the songwriting aesthetic.

Year Zero is fucking beautiful and I love the mutha fucka known as Trent Reznor but that kind of growth is on the opposite end of the spectrum…non metal, you see?

Jourgensen is a huge fan of hardcore metal and he has evolved in this genre and yes some industrial avant-garde authenticity has been sacrificed only to be replaced with craftmanship in shredding guitar technique and ‘ripping you a new asshole’ RPM’s on the percussion end (we can’t leave out the awesome dark stringy synths that wrap up lots of his songs in a like shrapnel giftwrap paper). However, make no mistake, the man we grew up to love as Al Jourgensen has most definitely artistically grown or should I say, he has mutated into this unique creature of goth speed-tech proportions.

You fucks probably jerk off to Rob Zombie…an artist who has emulated his singing style around AL Jourgensen’s grindy vocals from the get go. He too has this passionate humanism feel to his voice but it’s definitely sugar coated for Geffen Records mainstream standards…gotta keep them platinum album sales consistent, ya know…[laugh][laugh][:(]

Shame on you narrow minded dimwitted clones who piss and moan like lil’ brats who desperately beg for more candy…ya sad lil’ flouncing nellies.[:/]

Al’s serving prime rib and garlic mashed potatoes with pints of Guinness in an Electronic Cafe co-owned by Prince & members of Kraftwerk so go fetch for your pop-candy elsewhere like on MTV you backstabbing fuckholes[crazy][mad][:P][:(]

By the way, Halloween is a holiday that is very Ministry/Revco/Lard/Pailhead/PTP/Acid Horse/1000 Homo DJs friendly.[laugh][laugh][laugh][laugh][laugh][cool][;)]

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you’ve already been exposed. don’t believe a word you said and in all honesty, that was too long of a post to be read. it’s not worth it dude.

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eaaaaaaaaaaaaaasy there trigger.

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There is very little intellectual fervour being expressed by most of you alleged Jourgensen fans. How the heck do you terds measure growth?

deanwave wrote:
All the people on here saying the whiny crap that Jourgensen was better off retiring long ago are mentally deranged and seriously deserve to receive an honest beating of bludgeoning proportions.

You are all gut maggots with no guts, ya faggot ass fucking pansies!

duh!

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I’m glad you like it.

I don’t.

It IS derivative. It IS a cop out. And your grammar IS atrocious.

We have plenty of room left at the PA for anyone that still wishes to lick Al’s asshole - I’ll leave the key under the mat.

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Jourgensen is a huge fan of hardcore metal…
No.

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You fucks probably jerk off to Rob Zombie…an artist who has emulated his singing style around AL Jourgensen’s grindy vocals from the get go. He too has this passionate humanism feel to his voice but it’s definitely sugar coated for Geffen Records mainstream standards…gotta keep them platinum album sales consistent, ya know…[laugh][laugh][:(]

No, how many times must I say this on this board? White Zombie was a noise-rock band before they became carnival-metal and Zombie had his bellowed voice waaay back when they started in like 1985, when Al was still falsettoing his way through Halloween etc. He also had the look before Al, but whatever…

I still prefer Ministry over Zombie (although frankly, comparing the two is an insult to either band, since I think they set out to achieve completely different things) but lets get our facts straight :slight_smile:

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Zombie started to develop the bellowy voice on “Make Them Die Slowly” in 1988. Al started to develop his bellowy voice on “Land of Rape and Honey,” also in '88.
I think it’s safe to say both emerged independently, though obviously Al got famous first.

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It IS derivative. It IS a cop out. And your grammar IS atrocious.

Sometimes I think Robert Anton Wilson was right and we should abolish all forms of the verb “to be”.

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Zombie started to develop the bellowy voice on “Make Them Die Slowly” in 1988. Al started to develop his bellowy voice on “Land of Rape and Honey,” also in '88.
I think it’s safe to say both emerged independently, though obviously Al got famous first.

perhaps, but to be fair, rob never did a ‘with sympathy’
I also think that Rob pulled off the dreadlock/goatee/large hat/leather jacket look better than al did. (not that i am taking sides as I love both bands)

and lets not forget that he is touring with the ozzman afterall.

-al

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Zombie started to develop the bellowy voice on “Make Them Die Slowly” in 1988. Al started to develop his bellowy voice on “Land of Rape and Honey,” also in '88.
I think it’s safe to say both emerged independently, though obviously Al got famous first.

In an article in NME magazine back in 1995, Rob Zombie is quoted for saying that he was deeply influenced and inspired by Al Jourgensen; especially the MIATTTT album and he also pays respect to Al for the image RZ conjured up which most people feel RZ invented because his brand of metal became more streamlined than Al’s, hence RZ’s mainstream success facilitated the niavete of many plebians who worshipped him.

What I’m basically stipulating here, pal, is that Jourgensen inspired many successful rock musicians, Rob Zombie was one of them. That was over 10 years ago so who knows if Rob Zombie will still honor those feelings but you can google it and probably find that article on the web if you think I’m bullshitting you.

Peace…& go fuck yourself!
[sly]

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Reid are you posting drunk?

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I really dont see how Zombie could have been influenced by al, image wise, I have pics of zombie looking like that before Al did…

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Deanwavo has a point about the Al bashing. Considering this is meant to be a Ministry site, it can be extreme.

Not that there’s anything wrong with having opposing opinions of course, but the Al hate in here at times is beyond ridiculous as afterall he is an entertainer, not a politician whose action will effect our lives.

There are some that loved the earlier Ministry but dislike the last few cds. Normal people would maybe write a few disgruntled posts about this then move on to bands they do like, whereas on here, people have made a hobby of hating it and stick around for months nay years! That is proper funny.

One guy I saw wrote he was ‘terrified’ at the thought of the upcoming Revco release. That was priceless! I mean, TERRIFIED!! Does this guy live with an obsessed fan that will play it back to back for over a month? He could just be concerned that he won’t like it. If based on the fact that you think recent releases are shit, steer clear, please don’t be scared.

And the funniest is Jizzwad!!! HAHAHA although albeit intentional, I so hope he’s a tranny DJ or posts on many band sites that he also hates, as it would be a waste if his comedy talents were only read by a select few here. I’d originally and wrongly assumed that he too was a guy that once loved the early Ministry and is now one of the average haters post Paul, but no!!! I forget which thread it was, but I saw him scoring Ministry albums. The past few had only a question mark by them so I’m presuming he’s not even heard them. All the rest had average scores except Filth Pig (which he didn’t even give top marks to that). SO, he’s here, slagging off and it seems spending time reading Al interviews to find things to get pissed off about, all because he presumes he dislikes the new stuff, when in the first place, at best he thought Ministry was OKAY!!!

Have you guys ever seen a TV show called ‘Grumpy Old Men’? It’s full of minor celebrity middle aged men moaning about everyday shit they hate that most of us don’t think twice about. Some of you would be mint on that. I’d watch it.

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And the funniest is Jizzwad!!! HAHAHA although albeit intentional, I so hope he’s a tranny DJ

Heh.
His posts are a lot better if you read them as though he’s a raging queen.

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Claire’s drivel reminds me of the kind of talk that freshmen in college have when they’re smoking pot for the first time and getting deep.

‘Bud’s’ drivel.
And that was disapointing.