This thread is further proof that a Ministry concert today is not worth my time and energy…I am regrettably content going on YouTube to begrudgingly observe tedious footage of their latest performances of NWO, Thieves, So What, Just One Fix…songs that once had an esoteric command but now just the fodder of trite iconoclastic branding.
I am grateful to have seen Uncle Al when he had Barker, Bill Rieflin, Jeff Ward & Nivek Ogre as his touring band in support of LORAH in winter of 1988…a cherished memory that made the Great Things Ive done so now I can Die LIST.
Al is just too burnt-out to reTrain himself to perform any songs outside of what hes spewed out in the last 15+ years so going to see Ministry now would just be a terribly sad & tragic mistake.
Choose wisely…do not waste ur money on a poor excuse of a show that features 2 lame guitarists, one more metal cliché than the other…a bassist who should be collecting dust in the back of a day laborer truck (thats rightI fucking said that [;)] )
Only good thing about this tour is the drummer, Derek Abrams…this guy is the best thing to happen to Ministry since Bill Rielflin graced us with his percussive prowess once upon a time. [pirate]
I totally disagree…I saw them most recently on the Beer tour and it was a blast…I didn’t really give a shit about the set list…Al was relatively sober and totally with it and was engaging and sounded great…I loved it…I’ve never not had a good time at a Ministry show and I’ve been going since the early 90s…looking forward to seeing them again in Dec…
Only good thing about this tour is the drummer, Derek Abrams…this guy is the best thing to happen to Ministry since Bill Rielflin graced us with his percussive prowess once upon a time.
Wow, he must have improved in the past few months then. He wasn’t bad or anything, but he was very clearly not prepared and seemed to be really struggling to keep up. It was almost painful to watch at times, and other people have apparently noticed it with him elsewhere on the tour. He was honestly the closest thing to a weak link at the show I saw
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The Derek thing probably is a matter of seasoning. I’m no technical critic or anything, but I didn’t think there was anything special about him when he first debuted. I do think that it’s something they need to get used to, though, and that comes with repeated session practice and gigs.
I remember when Joey Jordison was put on drums for the 2006 tour and legit thought his was horrible. But he was just fresh and unfamiliar with the songs, I guess. A lot of people think he’s some wonderkid and licked his ass up and down. I guess he got a bit better.
For the most part I think of the majority of Ministry players as just hired and interchangeable staff. Mikey was really something special and I think Paul Barker was too (not that he was some virtuoso, but at least he had a fairly unique style that was recognizable and complementary to everything).
But, whatever. Ministry is always just going to be Al and whoever is available and not on tour or in the studio with Prong at any given time, haha.
I just read the upcoming LA shows will be recorded for live album. What should it be titled? Since they are now calling LA home, maybe: My Hometown [:P]
Well, they did Adios… Puta Madres, followed by Enjoy The Quiet, and then Last Tangle In Paris… I can only assume the title of the next live album will also be some reference to the tour being the final one (but not really).
If they were smart they’d focus the tracklist on a combination of the past two albums’ stuff and the old ones they’ve dusted off recently like “Bad Blood” and the LORAH tracks.
But who am I kidding, it will probably be more Bush era stuff + the obligatory Psalm 69 singles, with maybe like two tracks from Amerikkkant thrown in.
They’ve had like 47 live albums in the last 10 years.
“Adios Putos Madres”, “Last Tangle In Paris”, “Live at Wacken” . . . and some other shit that I’m sure I’m forgetting.
It’s 98% the same fucking setlist every fucking time.
And the “classics”? Fuggedaboudit!!! “NWO”, “Just 1 Fix”, “Thieves”, “So What”. Every. Fucking. Time.
I think the repetitive bullshit would be far LESS annoying if Al didn’t go on record every year claiming, “These are the songs the fans MAKE me do! I don’t want to do them, but they demand them! I’m like a jukebox and they put quarters in me!”
I have NEVER met a fan that wanted to hear those 4 songs on yet another setlist. YES, we love those songs. But we’ll gladly trade ANY or all of them out for something NEW. Doesn’t have to be a new song, but just something, anything, that hasn’t been done to death in the last 15 years.
According to the Podcast with Navarro he’s doing all of Amerikkkant and then half of LoRaH. Presumably he’ll be skipping the noisy/instrumental stuff in favor of the full songs.
I love Al and Ministry and will always see (and enjoy) every show I can. But I put less than zero stock into anything he says. We’ll know the setlist after he plays the first gig of this next round.
This thread is further proof that a Ministry concert today is not worth my time and energy…I am regrettably content going on YouTube to begrudgingly observe tedious footage of their latest performances of NWO, Thieves, So What, Just One Fix…songs that once had an esoteric command but now just the fodder of trite iconoclastic branding.
I am grateful to have seen Uncle Al when he had Barker, Bill Rieflin, Jeff Ward & Nivek Ogre as his touring band in support of LORAH in winter of 1988…a cherished memory that made the Great Things Ive done so now I can Die LIST.
Al is just too burnt-out to reTrain himself to perform any songs outside of what hes spewed out in the last 15+ years so going to see Ministry now would just be a terribly sad & tragic mistake.
Choose wisely…do not waste ur money on a poor excuse of a show that features 2 lame guitarists, one more metal cliché than the other…a bassist who should be collecting dust in the back of a day laborer truck (thats rightI fucking said that [;)] )
Only good thing about this tour is the drummer, Derek Abrams…this guy is the best thing to happen to Ministry since Bill Rielflin graced us with his percussive prowess once upon a time. [pirate]
Really, Bro? I’d give more credence to this rant if you didn’t have such a consistent history of inconsistency. Seriously, I never know if you’re going to be calling for Al and his bandmates’ execution or you’ll be balls-deep up in their bootycracks. I don’t know if it’s a function of who farts your initials on the Interwebz or simply a matter of whether you got your Raisin Bran, but it’s more erratic than Al himself.
Anyway, you don’t want to see the shows this time around, so be it. For those of us that still attend the gigs, we typically find them to be a really great experience. And while people like me can STILL bitch about setlists until the cows come home, it doesn’t mean we think the band is washed up or that they’re lacking talent and energy needed to properly dazzle the ticket-buyers.
If Al sticks to what he said on Navarros podcast then I personally won’t be disappointed in the upcoming set list,in fact I’m pretty excited about it…probably should appeal to fans,that is unless you really hate Amerikkkant and LORAH…fuck it man, its gotta make you more hopeful than the possibility of another tour with the handful of Bush trilogy songs and the obligatory encore “oldies”…I like Al’s reasoning: maybe you should pay attention for 48 min…nevertheless,I am sure this set list will piss many people off…you can’t please everyone…shit,I’ll be happy no matter what the hell they play…
And of course ,Al being Al, this could all change before the tour even starts…
Its like my prayers were answered…if they manage to do an entire tour without playing NWO, that is like serious progress and playing entire AmeriKKKant record and half of LORAH would get me back to the shows in a heartbeat.
Be cool if one day they do Filth Pig in its entirety or TWITCH…after the Navarro spot, I am rather hopeful…Uncle Al was so chill and humbled during his time with Dave and they did a beautiful rendering of Halloween…this old man feels like a young boy on his brand new dirt bike today…the next decade may bring so much beauty from Jourgensen & perhaps the Connelly Revco will spiral into the return of Barker, Rieflin & Van Acker & Ritchie 23…maybe even Reznor will jump on board to finally show his gratitude…the possibilities are endless…and that loungey Jazz record may happen too…maybe another country record…maybe a sequel to With Sympathy [:P][:)][:)]
Now the metal side of the fanbase are complaining all over social media that the setlist is even worse than before and Ministry are now Officially Dead to Them because it has no Filth Pig, Animositisomina, Houses, or Rio Grande… I empathize with Animositisomina and FP being underrated/overlooked, but jesus christ, did the Bush trilogy songs really make so much of a cultural impact that they can’t do a single tour without playing one? Is Al’s anti-W stuff in particular seriously so indelible and iconic? I know a lot of people, mainstream/casual listener or otherwise, refer to Houses as “the album where Ministry got good again” (for some reason I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around that since I still think it was a big step down and rank it as second-worst only behind Relapse) but I didn’t think people were actually that invested in that material.
Now the metal side of the fanbase are complaining all over social media that the setlist is even worse than before and Ministry are now Officially Dead to Them because it has no Filth Pig, Animositisomina, Houses, or Rio Grande… I empathize with Animositisomina and FP being underrated/overlooked, but jesus christ, did the Bush trilogy songs really make so much of a cultural impact that they can’t do a single tour without playing one? Is Al’s anti-W stuff in particular seriously so indelible and iconic? I know a lot of people, mainstream/casual listener or otherwise, refer to Houses as “the album where Ministry got good again” (for some reason I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around that since I still think it was a big step down and rank it as second-worst only behind Relapse) but I didn’t think people were actually that invested in that material.
I think the people who consider “Houses Of The Mole” as “the album where Ministry got good again” just couldn’t - or wouldn’t - tolerate the experimental side of Ministry, which as we know surfaced in a big way during the post-Psalm 69 era (FP, DSOTS, Animositisomina). Just close-minded metalheads, I guess.