Jimmy page is a Satanist!!!

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Alright, so I’ve got this little part time gig at a charter school and this 55 year old guy I work with is holy stupid with his faith!

He likes “smooth jazz” (translation Michael Bolton) and was noticeably upset with me when we first met because my favorite guitarist is Slash! Just thought he was a post middle aged music snob but no…

So the school offers a music credit for guitar to which this guy teaches. The director wants me to work with these kids but the 55 year old doesn’t want me to do it because He thinks I’m going to introduce these kids to profanity laden music and “SATAN MUSIC”

I about fell out of my seat laughing. I said I can keep the profanity out of the music they want to play but what exactly would you call satanic music?

He was really vague and said you know music that deals with satanic themes or people?

I said like who? I don’t know any band that deals seriously with that. (actually, I do but no Music I would care to know how to play, except for maybe some Danzig tunes but he doesn’t need to know that- oh my god the devil is already making me lie!)

he said “just satanic music.”
I said “who is satanic?”
he said nothing.
I said “what about Led zeppelin are they satanic?”
he said “yes!”
My eyes bugged out I said, “are you for real? you really think that?”
he said “well Jimmy page is a satanist”
I said “What?!?!?!?!! Who told you that?”
He said “He is”
I said “so you’ve spoken to him about this? He’s confirmed this for you? You guys have been to black mass together?”
He said, “Well stairway to heaven has hidden meanings that support the devil”
I guffawed at that point and said, “if it’s ‘hidden’ perhaps it’s not really there”
to which the discussion was over

the director was standing there listening to all of this and his was like I have know idea what either of you are talking about. if the music isn’t dripping in hank Williams roots I have know idea what it is.

So I’m wondering how this is gonna go. I’m thinking about bringing in some Marilyn Manson sheet music just to spite him cause he will not know any Manson songs by sound and I think that would be funny to bust out some nice melodic piece of music that he will like and then when were all done learning it, bust out hat the digs a Manson song… Probably send him into cardiac arrest!

Thoughts? pranks? witty rebuttals to his satan music? I’ve never bought the stairway to heaven devilness- It’s always sounded like an anti consumerism song to me.
Late,
grmpysmrf

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Jimmy Page was a well known Thelemite (though I gather it’s not his bag so much any more) and had a massive collection of Aleister Crowley artifacts. Some of Kenneth Anger’s magical movies were shot in Page’s basement with Page allegedly in a scene. Although Thelema isn’t Satanism per se, it’s close enough for most Christians, what with Crowley calling himself the Beast 666 and all. This isn’t off the wall conspiracy shit, it’s pretty open knowledge and spoken off in “Hammer of the Gods”.

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Well, that was pretty much a big thing in the 1970’s and 1980’s. Led Zeppelin weren’t the first, nor the last, to get caught up in that shit-storm.

Evangelical christians tried their damndest to ruin the good times of many teenagers by telling them the music they listened to was Satanic, from KISS, to Alice Cooper, to Queen, and of course when that whole suicide thing happened, Judas Priest.

Every decade has that artist, or artists, and with time those people tend to believe whatever is put out in the limelight as a negative contribution to society. There will be others, so don’t be surprised by this guy’s reaction.
Actually, don’t even count out the fact that this guy was probably a huge rock ‘n’ roll fan and probably “saw the light” and went Yanni on everyone.

I wouldn’t fuck with the guy. Life’s too short. In these schools, they wouldn’t even let more current music be taught; any person who was a band geek in high school can tell you that. It’s more Francis Scott Key and Rogers & Hammerstein stuff than anything beyond “Louie Louie”.

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What kind of philosophy is your charter built on, and how do you like being at a charter? I’m at a project-based arts infusion charter. I think it’s a pretty rad school, and I believe whole hog in the ideas it was built on. But working at a charter school still has its downsides; I don’t know how it is with you, but a lot of the teachers at the other schools in the district loath us. They think we’re a fluff school, and/or that we’re creaming all of the best students off the top (trust me, we’re not).

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I know for a fact that Jimmy likes YOUNG girls, too - like 15 year olds. So, he is a bit satanic in my book!

But, that would drive me nuts to have to deal
with someone that “religious”. Play him some Bill
Hicks or something. You could have alot of fun with this just by pushing some buttons. Hell, tell him Michael Bolton is considered satanic from where you’re from!
I believe that to be true, personally.

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a lot of these so called christians ,when you ask them have they listened to any of this ‘devils music’ they will give you a sheepish look and said they read about it in the Daily Mail (UK)

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Nevermind satanism, what about superuseless superpowers:

http://superuseless.blogspot.com/

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You should have used Alice Cooper as an example, then he when the guy confirmed that Alice is satanic music, remind him that he’s actually an evangelical Christian.

The ol’ switcheroo!

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Smurfy,

I’d ask stuffy, ultra-christian guy if listening to, singing, and playing country music makes the people who do it into cowboys/cowgirls or if singing gospel (Whitney Houston, Dion Warwick, etc.) makes everyone who sings it into a good Christian. Is everyone who sings in or attends the Opera cultured, wealthy, professional, obese, snobby, etc.? You get the picture.

Tell him all music has its roots in Opera and classical orchestra so it should all be ok in the end.

I encountered a guy at work who thought anything associated with Halloween, including a pumpkin, was satanic. He labeled everyone with a differing point of view as satanists.

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If you live in a small town in America (or anywhere remotely south of New York for that matter…with the exception of San Francisco) chances are every other hump will call you a ‘satanist’ for listening to anything edgier than Coldplay. Sad but true.

At least I assume it’s true. It’s probably true. Definitely true. It’s true. Yeah.

I’m not doing a great job of convincing myself here.

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It’s really more of a rural/urban thing than a north/south thing.

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Jimmy Page was a well known Thelemite (though I gather it’s not his bag so much any more) and had a massive collection of Aleister Crowley artifacts.

I thought Thelemite was more of a philosophy and not really associated with Satan at all. I knew about his interest in Crowley But I don’t think Crowley was a satanist either. I think he was a calmer version of the Marquis de sade only for the 20th century. Just going against the grain for the sake of shock and going against the grain.

What kind of philosophy is your charter built on, and how do you like being at a charter?

I don’t know what philosophy the charter is built on. I like the charter fine. I’m an over paid tutor. I have roughly 20 kids on my case load and all I do is meet with them once a week and check the packets that their parents already have answers to. They turn in their weekly planner sheet (which counts as their attendance so the school can get the ADA money.) and then I teach a “refresher” unit course for an hour once a month right before they take their unit test…(for those that want to attend that is!) Cake. There are only 3 teachers there including myself (although, Mr. Jesus Christ only has a B.A. in communications from the 1980’s. No teaching credential). Honestly, it seems too easy and I much prefer the setting of the public school… Can’t believe I just wrote that! although it’s still new maybe I’ll set it in. Just can’t believe that when there are only 3 teachers on staff I still can’t get along with everyone… SONUVABITCH!!

Every decade has that artist, or artists, and with time those people tend to believe whatever is put out in the limelight as a negative contribution to society. There will be others, so don’t be surprised by this guy’s reaction.
Actually, don’t even count out the fact that this guy was probably a huge rock ‘n’ roll fan and probably “saw the light” and went Yanni on everyone.

Oh yeah he’s trapped back in the early 80’s with the religious right and what not. and he’s already admitted to being a former rock fan, although he didn’t say he found the light but one could certainly assume by the way he was trying to lecture me the other day about how he knows rock music and he was there in the 70’s and knows what it’s all about! blah blah blah!!

I wouldn’t fuck with the guy. Life’s too short. In these schools, they wouldn’t even let more current music be taught; any person who was a band geek in high school can tell you that. It’s more Francis Scott Key and Rogers & Hammerstein stuff than anything beyond “Louie Louie”.

It’s hard not to and I gotta tell you, most know me here on the board as pretty outspoken (and that’s how I am away from the computer as well) but I’m doing pretty good (this first week) about keeping my mouth shut. I’ve even surprised myself by keeping the zingers in my head. I only hope I can keep it up.

as far as contemporary music, this isn’t normal school. It’s a “work as you feel like it school.” there are 106 kids enrolled. The golf “team” consists of whoever shows up and wants P.E. credits… that day. very very informal. SO theoretically some of these kids could show up with a song from slipknot or some shit and Mr. Jesus Christ won’t help them learn it only because he’s christian. Fuck that guy! I’m no Slipknot fan but I’ll help anyone learn how to play their song if I can!

But, that would drive me nuts to have to deal
with someone that “religious”…

Believe me it’s a test in patience!!

You could have alot of fun with this just by pushing some buttons.

I know, and it’s so damn easy to but I already inadvertently burn bridges I don’t want to get “dismissed” for fucking with this guy. there are so many questions I wanna ask. Like how long has he loved satan? Really? Well you love all of God’s creations? Satan had to come from God right? well then you love Satan… So God is imperfect or just evil himself… I could go on on that line of questioning for hours! but I’m trying to be a good little boy. He already hates My Obama window sticker on my Car, Makes me wanna ask why he’s racist. You know shit like that! Part of me thinks “you’ll probably get fired for some reason or another, how pissed off will you be if that happens and you don’t get any good jabs in? Why change your personality if the result is going to be the same anyway?” I don’t know. I don’t know how long I can keep up the “impartial boy” charade anyway. I guess I’ll keep you all informed.

You should have used Alice Cooper as an example, then he when the guy confirmed that Alice is satanic music, remind him that he’s actually an evangelical Christian.

I didn’t know that. I like it. I’ll just store that little nugget away for future use! (without even checking to see if it’s true… two can play his game!)

I’d ask stuffy, ultra-christian guy if listening to, singing, and playing country music makes the people who do it into cowboys/cowgirls or if singing gospel (Whitney Houston, Dion Warwick, etc.) makes everyone who sings it into a good Christian. Is everyone who sings in or attends the Opera cultured, wealthy, professional, obese, snobby, etc.? You get the picture.

Tell him all music has its roots in Opera and classical orchestra so it should all be ok in the end.

I like your angle here. although, I don’t know if he’s smart enough to get it. I can see him just ignoring this argument simply because the music is dealing with the devil. worth a shot though, I’ll let you know.

I encountered a guy at work who thought anything associated with Halloween, including a pumpkin, was satanic. He labeled everyone with a differing point of view as satanists.

Damn, I hate uneducated totally mind controlled buffoons! Somebody should tell him “Pride” is a deadly sin!
Late,
grmpysmrf

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[reply]Jimmy Page was a well known Thelemite (though I gather it’s not his bag so much any more) and had a massive collection of Aleister Crowley artifacts.

I thought Thelemite was more of a philosophy and not really associated with Satan at all. I knew about his interest in Crowley But I don’t think Crowley was a satanist either. I think he was a calmer version of the Marquis de sade only for the 20th century. Just going against the grain for the sake of shock and going against the grain. [/reply]

There was a fair bit more to Crowley than that. You should read into him, I’d be surprised if some of his work didn’t appeal to you actually.

Crowley wasn’t a Satanist per se (as I said in the portion of my response you didn’t quote) but he did personally identify with the Beast 666 from Revelations to the point that he took Baphomet 666 as one of his magical names. He also took the “Oath of the Anti-Christ” and baptized a frog Jesus Christ before crucifying it, eating the legs and then burning the rest. So you can see how the average Christian would view someone deep into Crowley as a satanist.

Now Thelema itself is a rather libertarian and libertine (both at once) philosophy that is based around the idea that all of us have one True Will that wants to move through and motivate us and that until we have found our True Will, life won’t work very well.

Crowley himself was deep into occult activity, sex magick and he had a second group, the A.A. which was his evolution of the Golden Dawn. He also came to head the OTO which was rather like a sex magick based offshoot of the masons, and it served more for the spread of the religion of Thelema.

Crowley as a person doesn’t come across very well in many ways (he was not a guy you’d want to lend money to) but his philosophy has real aspects of beauty and truth to it. He was one of the first Western writers to write about yoga from a Western perspective and he’s still ahead of the curve in regards to the combination of yoga and kabbalistic magic. I cannot fall in line with those who actually worship him or his philosophy but then I tend to believe that everyone is their own best messiah and they don’t need other people telling them how to live.

OK, that was longer than I expected. I’ve been in a mood to write, maybe I should start working on a few articles again…

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Crowley as a person doesn’t come across very well in many ways (he was not a guy you’d want to lend money to)

Hey just like a certain dreadlocked musician I know. [;)]

Jimmy Page was interested enough in the occult and Thelema to buy Crowley’s old Boleskine residence in Scotland, but has since commented that it was simply ‘an old pig farm’. Parts of the film the song remains the same were filmed on the grounds.

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thanks greeny!
you gave me a pretty decent starting point.

I tend to believe that everyone is their own best messiah and they don’t need other people telling them how to live.

I completely agree with this.
Late,
grmpysmrf

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He likes “smooth jazz” (translation Michael Bolton) and was noticeably upset with me when we first met because my favorite guitarist is Slash!

I’m still “noticeably” upset with you that your fav guitarist is Slash.

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Play him this one.

http://www.zshare.net/audio/71040442d35bb2d9/

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[reply]
He likes “smooth jazz” (translation Michael Bolton) and was noticeably upset with me when we first met because my favorite guitarist is Slash!

I’m still “noticeably” upset with you that your fav guitarist is Slash.[/reply]
yeah but at least you could probably cite some musical reference for your reason aside from some bullshit “satanist” reason… blech
Late,
grmpysmrf

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When I run into people like that its so fucking frustrating.

So what I do when one of those “rock is satanic” topics starts is totally agree with the person. I dont start those conversations but I’ll join in the conversation and side with the moron and just totally agree in that every rock n roll band is evil. And the whole time I’m wearing The Doors Lizard King tshirt, and the looks I get are fucking priceless.

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Speaking of Jimmy Page, anyone seen “It Might Get Loud”? Recently released… Pretty interesting for guitar players I think…