It is what it is.

Article in the June 27th Sun-Times…

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/13408799-421/guitarist-talks-al-jourgensen-into-bringing-back-ministry.html

“I wouldn’t say he’s sober, but he’s OK,” Scaccia says, then pauses. “He’s not doing drugs, just drinking.” Pause.

“His songwriting’s getting better.” Pause. Long pause.

“It is what it is.”

i also like that Dark Side of the Spoon is listed as “groundbreaking” album. i think this is the first time i see that happening.

I think I’ve got him talked into 1 more [album] and a couple of tours- mike scaccia

I tink we all called it wasn’t over.
Late,
grmpysmrf

‘It is what it is’ would have been an ideal and forgiveable title for whatever Jourgensen is doing these days.

Today is the 9th anniversary of the first and only time I’ve seen Ministry. Wow

Fuckin’ heavy.

[:|]

“Trance Metal Up Your Ass”

His songwriting is getting better?
I suppose that’s true of the Buck Satan album, but Relapse? Not so much.

Are these guys in denial, or what? Al’s songwrting is shit. Pretty obvious that he can’t write shit while drunk. You’d think he could since he did a few good ones on the hard stuff. But it all went downhill when he started kicking down bottles of wine. I’m curious to hear what an album would sound like if I were completely lucid. Won’t ever happen. But i’m curious.

But it all went downhill when he started kicking down bottles of wine.

I don’t think wine has anything to do with it. He was downing it on Sphinctour in case you didn’t pay attention.

He always had other people writing his lyrics.
Late,
grmpysmrf

So basically he’s a burnout incapable of writing good music. Got it.

He always had other people writing his lyrics.
Late,
grmpysmrf

Not always. In fact, apart from Mind, most of the albums have been Al lyrics with a few songs here and there by Paul or various guests. Most of the side project lyrics have been other people, though.

[reply]He always had other people writing his lyrics.
Late,
grmpysmrf

Not always. In fact, apart from Mind, most of the albums have been Al lyrics with a few songs here and there by Paul or various guests. Most of the side project lyrics have been other people, though.[/reply]

And he wrote all the lyrics to the early stuff even if someone else supplied the initial idea or phrase that the song developed from. He was actually quite prolific in that regard.

I stand corrected.
I have always been under the impression that Al never wrote his lyrics. I think I remember reading (I think I was connely’s book) that Al was more like a work forman delegating responsibilities to others than an actual contributor.
Late,
grmpysmrf

I stand corrected.
Late,
grmpysmrf

You’re a good man! And so say all of us.

the thing that bothers me the most about the new material, are the horrid lyrics. what happened? how could they be so bad? they make me cringe. it kind of makes me think he never wrote any ministry lyrics…or maybe he didn’t write the lyrics for the new album? it’s hard to believe the same person could write something to bad.

Al is credited for all of the lyrics on the new album except “United Forces” (S.O.D.), “Git Up Get Out N’ Vote” (Angelina Jourgensen) and “Weekend Warrior” (Sammy D’Amburoso).

^You really thought NWO was pro New World Order? I feel like after Just Like You and Thieves, Al’s political views were pretty obvious…

best lyrics are on ‘Dark Side of the Spoon’

best lyrics are on ‘Dark Side of the Spoon’

I’mma agree. They’re borderline incomprehensible at times, but the record’s, well, nuts. Like, not crazy, but literally deranged. LORAH is crazy. DSOTS is a different kind of crazy. Like, rather than locked away in an institution for the rest of its days, it pulls a Sling Blade and simply adapts to its deficiency, works at a machine shop, kills Doyle Hargreaves, and eats biscuits with mustard on 'em.