Then why is it even listed in the 13th planet records discography? He’s under no obligation to list it, and he can’t be making any money off of it since it is out of print?
I notice too on the site that the only bands being promoted are ministry/cocks. No more promoting Prong or that awful Watchers band?
Not trying to bash on Al here, just kind of confused by what he’s trying to do with his record label etc.
Then why is it even listed in the 13th planet records discography? He’s under no obligation to list it, and he can’t be making any money off of it since it is out of print?
That is a good point, seeing as how he won’t sign the damn thing and ignores everything to do with it. wonder what the deal is.
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grmpysmrf
maybe prong being somewhat successful moved to a new label? wonder if all the cds will start going out of print
I still see the other bands on the site…you need to scroll down.
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Al is just fronting deep inside he thinks its his best album…And he loves it!!!
On the topic of With Sympathy, it has become evident from past interviews, and current ones with past members (especially Wempathy’s input here) that Al has changed his tune quite a bit over the years. To his credit, he did start hating WS once Twitch came out, and has stuck to his guns. Still, if you’ve heard the Skinner interview or read any of his press from the WS era, he was into the whole scene.
I think it’s interesting that back then, he seemed to be all about post-punk influences - Fad Gadget, Magazine, etc., but then 25 years later, he’s pumping out butt rock on his first covers album (not that the current line-up would sound any better updating a Wire song). He’ll go to the grave publicly hating With Sympathy, even if he doesn’t really feel that way.
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WS is a damn good album!!!
Good to see Al acknowledging WS. Its hard to change your sound from pop to the familiar dark n menacing sound that made Ministry the powerhouse icon amongst rivetheads. Always thought that was the most fascinating part about Ministry.
I think the whole situation is sad.
Seriously, he’s alienated so many people along the way, and now the ‘replacements’, and now even going further toward doing this to the guy who runs the website/Afra.
I just don’t get it. And everyone seems to be dealing with it in the same way, and remaining one step ahead of him; basically, keeping cool, not getting sucked into slanging matches, and having the evidence or secondhand accounts to back their stories.
I’m honestly astonished by all of this, yet it sort of makes sense.
The booking of above-capacity venues, the cancelled tour to Australia due to lack of interest… to me, it seems like he can’t appreciate that Ministry isn’t anywhere near as much of a commodity as it once was. And, that’s sort of understandable; you go from having a fucking landing strip on yer recording studio/ranch in Texas, just doing blow and heroin all night, playing with Neil Young… and now having to sell his old Fairlight on ebay.
So, when you try to sustain that sort of ‘stature’, and book big venues, and big tours, and release a shitload of nicely packaged, internationally distributed albums, it’s going to cost you money big time. Especially when they’re not selling. And the people who worked on it, are unlikely to get paid. It’s like being an up and coming band again. The money just won’t roll in until you’re established. Or, ‘re-established’, in this case…
Hell, he would’ve been so much better off just ending ministry with Paul, or just at Houses, and put the other Bush trilogy albums under a new moniker. He had a virtually brand spanking new line up with Raven and Tommy… promoting that new band as an industrial supergroup would’ve been far more financially viable than calling it ministry and leaving people to assume it was the same rotating cast of no-namers and slightly well known in the underground players at best.
go figure.
I don’t think it’s so much Al as it is Mrs. Al.
Many famous acts have skeletons in their closets and material that they could or should be embarrassed about but take the high road. Bowie’s “The Laughing Gnome” and Depeche Mode’s “See You” spring to mind.
Look, I’m not particulary fond of WS. I was aghast when I arrived back in Boston after having working on the first 5 songs and hearing “Say You’re Sorry” and “Do the Etawa” (or whatever it’s called) for the first time ever and finding out how WFL and IWTTH had been tarted up. As I’ve stated before…WS does not seem like the logical extension of the band as it had been in '82 when it was raw and willing to experiment. The WS tour in 83 was pretty successful with lots of good reviews, even though it seemed like Ministry-lite at the time, I was optimistic about the future and thought that the band had matured. But when one reads Al’s interviews from that period, it becomes obvious that not everyone had.
I glad I got out when I did. I treasure my health and sanity and still have both.
I give 13 Planet 6 mos and then they vanish.
Yep. I’m actually very surprised it’s still kind of around?
IAnd the people who worked on it, are unlikely to get paid.
This has always kind of puzzled me. When you’re a working musician you normally ask to get paid up front for work. You sign a contract, get paid a certain amount of money immediately and then if you’re smart enough you also have a clause in the contract that states you recieve royalties if the product sells well.
Same as touring. You get paid up front a certain amount and more if the tour’s a success. To go along for a tour without a legal contract is kind of asking for trouble regardless of how successful the band you’re touring with has been in the past.
I don’t think it’s so much Al as it is Mrs. Al.
yeah, that bitch is yoko ono for sure…
I give 13 Planet 6 mos and then they vanish.
you can thank yoko for anything going wrong with ministry.
get rid of yoko bring back the herion, by the buckets, and lets pick up where we all left off at the same time.
Yoko was and still is cool. Please do not suggest Angie is in the same league as Yoko.
Yoko was and still is cool. Please do not suggest Angie is in the same league as Yoko.
…touche!
Many famous acts have skeletons in their closets and material that they could or should be embarrassed about but take the high road. Bowie’s “The Laughing Gnome” and Depeche Mode’s “See You” spring to mind.
Look, I’m not particulary fond of WS. I was aghast when I arrived back in Boston after having working on the first 5 songs and hearing “Say You’re Sorry” and “Do the Etawa” (or whatever it’s called) for the first time ever and finding out how WFL and IWTTH had been tarted up. As I’ve stated before…WS does not seem like the logical extension of the band as it had been in '82 when it was raw and willing to experiment. The WS tour in 83 was pretty successful with lots of good reviews, even though it seemed like Ministry-lite at the time, I was optimistic about the future and thought that the band had matured. But when one reads Al’s interviews from that period, it becomes obvious that not everyone had.
I glad I got out when I did. I treasure my health and sanity and still have both.
See, THIS is why I’m glad I’ve stuck around Prongs for so long.
Respect!
I don’t think it’s so much Al as it is Mrs. Al.
Yeah but AL is either oblivious to her shenanigans or doesn’t mind that she’s become his mouth piece that makes him look bad! I’m going with he’s oblivious, because based on Connelly’s book Al seems/seemed to be really good at surrounding himself with people that compliment him. Not so much in that vein with the Mrs.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Nobody could be that oblivious. I think she strokes his ego enough for him not to care, while she does all of the “handling”. And she probably relays everything said in the forums to him. I still remember that “go fuck yourself” part in that xmas video of his. Probably towards the naysayers (us).
…while she does all of the “handling”. And she probably relays everything said in the forums to him. …
yeah, through her filter, which makes him oblivious.
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grmpysmrf