I hate cnn for making me defend Trump. But sweet fucking Christ they arent even trying to be covert about their support for Clinton. I know they contribute to her campaign which is already a conflict of interest but this “debate” was just ridiculous. Cooper and the other moderator were openly hostile towards Trump. Trump supporters cheered and they were quickly admonished about cheering. Clinton supporters cheer and nothing is said. Not even a reminder of the rules. Trump starts to make points over Clinton and angry Anderson Cooper butts in to challenge him. Clinton makes points over Trump and Trump tries to butt in except Angry Anderson Cooper basically tells him to shut up and let Clinton talk. Clinton side steps questions and nothing is said. Trump side steps the question and the moderators interrupt his answer to tell him to stay on topic. Clinton goes over on her time limit and nothing is said or she is politely reminded several times after been given more time to talk. Trump goes over his time and he is sternly told to stop talking and rarely was he allowed the extra time to speak the way Clinton was. This is ridiculous. I never thought CNN could be as bad as fox news but they certainly gave them a run for their money tonight.
My wife read me some facebook post tonight where somebody posted that the Clinton and Trump “debate” were just them telling everyone why the other is not fit to be president and they were both right.
I think Hillary lost this debate too btw. She didnt offer anything new and couldnt or didnt answer any of the charges he leveled at her. She didnt have anything to promote herself other than “hey im not Trump.” Which fortunately for her is enough but jesus she is just as slimey as he is and has really no redeeming qualities as our would be president. The fact that she cant put this used car salesman away is already testimony as to what kind of leader shell be. Just fuckin sad.
It’s not always about actively putting him away as it is letting him dig his own hole without making yourself stoop to his level and make yourself look like the ass instead of letting the ass be the ass he is.
It’s not always about actively putting him away as it is letting him dig his own hole without making yourself stoop to his level and make yourself look like the ass instead of letting the ass be the ass he is.
He hasnt put himself away yet and having the moderators try to push him around was just shameless
[reply]It’s not always about actively putting him away as it is letting him dig his own hole without making yourself stoop to his level and make yourself look like the ass instead of letting the ass be the ass he is.
He hasnt put himself away yet and having the moderators try to push him around was just shameless[/reply]
Depends on who you ask.
I don’t like her very much due to the career politician thing and everything wrong that goes with it and that status quo.
However, I know a narcissist by their behavior.
I actually like Clinton, I liked her response about muslims in America and I thought she did a fine job tonight but I’m afraid her lack of charisma is going to hurt her.
People added up the time each candidate got to talk and they were pretty even, in fact Trump had an extra 40 seconds total. I think part of the commentators problem with Trump has to do with him disobeying the rules, interrupting Hillary at every chance and being openly hostile to them. I think part of that is a show to his supporters knowing that they’ll see him as taking swings at the institution.
The problem is that America has so lost its trust in any and all institutions and now we let a conspiracy show internet troll millionaire get this far. Honestly it was like watching a scene chewing marvel movie super villain actually onstage for a presidential debate. It just made me sad that we could get to this point.
It really was embarrassing.
I don’t follow these debates regularly, but I have NEVER seen such an offenively biased moderation of a debate in my life. I feel very similarly too, Grumps. It was so bad that I actually felt myself many times rooting for Trump as the underdog hero simply because they were damn near bullying the dude.
How many people less discerning than me will even take that shit as a sign to jump on Team Trump.
Such a joke.
I actually like Clinton, I liked her response about muslims in America and I thought she did a fine job tonight but I’m afraid her lack of charisma is going to hurt her.
I dont think charisma has anything to do with it i think its kinda what mooney said shes a career politician (but more so a bad one, clearly a status climber) and moreover will say anything to get elected. Her rhetoric doesnt match her action. Shes up there, exactly like trump, for herself she doesnt have the countries interests at heart. She doesnt want to be the first woman president to represent women she wants it for the accalades that come with being the first. She reeks of greed and desperation.
People added up the time each candidate got to talk and they were pretty even, in fact Trump had an extra 40 seconds total.
CNN released that. I wonder what the count would be if they got rid of trump asking why he gets cut off sooner than Clinton? The actual speaking and not having to compete with the moderators. See? Fuck CNN for making me defend that asshole!!!
I think part of the commentators problem with Trump has to do with him disobeying the rules, interrupting Hillary at every chance and being openly hostile to them.
He didnt interrupt her at every chance he interrupted when he felt she was wrong because he unfortunately didnt have the moderators in his pocket doing it for him the way she did. so of course she didnt interrupt she knew anderson cooper would do it for her.
The problem is that America has so lost its trust in any and all institutions and now we let a conspiracy show internet troll millionaire get this far. Honestly it was like watching a scene chewing marvel movie super villain actually onstage for a presidential debate. It just made me sad that we could get to this point.
I think everyone has lost faith because of politicians like Clinton. I think Trump scored points when brought up how her and her cronies stole the primary from the people and bernie and she couldnt say shit about it cause she knew it was true. The emails are out. Shes clearly colluding with DWS and the only response shes given in the past was “Oh russia hacked us.” Yeah well russia didnt make you behave that way. So wtf?
Her other answer that really pisses me off everytime she says it is “ive taken responsibility for my server!” Really? What the fuck does that responsibility look like? As if just saying “i take responsibility” clears it all up.
This is fucked up.
Wow. The Grumpster and I agree on something politically related. Who would have thought it would have taken Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, and CNN to do that? Not me.
Hey, you’re not always wrong… youre just wrong all the rest of the time. [:P]
Wow. The Grumpster and I agree on something politically related. Who would have thought it would have taken Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, and CNN to do that? Not me.
Yes I do want to applaud Grmpy and pretty much everyone else on this board for going beyond the partisan politics and just realizing what an overall crock of shit this general election is. There really is no good outcome that I can see at the moment, other than maybe what we are seeing here - people realizing how much of the political class just exists to prove something to themselves rather than to honestly help their constituencies.
That brings me to the previous comment about Americans losing faith in their institutions. I say why not? The more voluntary arrangements people make at a small scale, and the less they need to rely on some central authority to do that for them, the closer I think we will be to eventually being a sane society.
I saw some of this, Trump could be quite a decent insult comedian. His act would probably be something like DeNiro’s at the end of Raging Bull or a more low-key Andrew Dice Clay.
Yes I do want to applaud Grmpy and pretty much everyone else on this board for going beyond the partisan politics
I am not partisan. It just looks that way because 99.9% of the time the republicans are horribly misinformed (usually on purprose) and trying to fuck someone over where as generally dems often times try to give a little back to the voters. And i do mean “a little”. But this election is completely different. Hillarys behavior and her lies keep her from being indistinguishable from any republican thats run over the last 35years. I have no patience for her shit and i used to scoff at people who said there was no difference between dems and repubs because as early as the last presedential election there was a clear line. Ut hillary has blurred that line and this election we get to vote for republican hillary or republican trump. They have the same interests, the same friends. The same goals. Thats why the debates are an insult fest because thats the only thing they have to bicker about.
The whole TAXES thing keeps annoying me and I really liked that Trump called out Hillary on it last night.
He followed the tax law. He used it to NOT pay taxes. Yes, it’s easier for rich people to do this because they can afford better accountants than us, but how in the hell is this being attacked?
If I ask ANY SINGLE ONE OF YOU (I’m included in all this too) . . . . “Would you like to pay less taxes or more taxes?” you’re going to say “less”. And if one of the options is “Or would you like to pay NONE?” and there is a legal way to do it . . . . every single one of us will choose NONE.
So fuck that hypocritical bullshit. Complain about the law, sure, but just like Trump said (and Grumps alluded to in saying the two are indistinguishable) . . . . if the old hag had a problem with such practice she should have done something about it.
So fuck that “didn’t pay taxes” bullshit. He FILED his tax returns and now we’re seeing them. He didn’t commit any crime in doing what he did. He did what literally any person that had the chance to would do.
Hilary is a rich rich person too. So . . . . . Hilary, did you volunteer to pay MORE taxes than you had to pay, or did you also pay the minimum amount you were legally obligated to pay? Yeah, that’s what I fucking thought.
In fact . . . I have to admit that the issue of Trump and his taxes is the only TANGIBLE example that I can relate to where I say, “Okay, maybe he’s not as stupid as I thought.”
He is a liar. He is a buffoon. He’s a racist, a sexist, a crass dipshit asshole, but most importantly . . . . he’s inept and unqualified.
So don’t waste time criticizing him on doing something correctly, legally, and successfully.
how many election rant threads are you going to make?
In fact . . . I have to admit that the issue of Trump and his taxes is the only TANGIBLE example that I can relate to where I say, “Okay, maybe he’s not as stupid as I thought.”
For me the one rational position he has traditionally held has been that, you know, it might be better to seek out detente with Russia rather than finding every possible way to provoke them into an all-out shooting and / or thermonuclear war.
And it’s that one sane position that, amusingly enough, has made people from within his own party claim he’s not fit to lead. Shit…out of the dozens of other possible things you could pick, it’s the fact that he doesn’t want us to rush into a conflct that will kill hundreds of millions?
If I ask ANY SINGLE ONE OF YOU (I’m included in all this too) . . . . “Would you like to pay less taxes or more taxes?” you’re going to say “less”. And if one of the options is “Or would you like to pay NONE?” and there is a legal way to do it . . . . every single one of us will choose NONE.
I’d like to think if i had clinton or trump money id pay my taxes and ignore deductions. I personally have no problem paying taxes. My needs are met and i live a comfortable life. Shit if i make 10 million dollars tax me at 50% cause i can make more than a nice living on 5 mill. If i was scraping and scratching damn straight im taking deductions. But as it is right now both my wife and i claim single and zero and get by just fine. Taxing the rich ultimately comes down to this… if im rich I don’t care if im paying more in taxes because that means im making more money and have an even more comfortable life. Clinton and trump finding ways to not pay taxes is fucking disgraceful with the amount they haul in. Way to honor the country that helped you make all that scratch. If you love america so much fucking pay your bill!
how many election rant threads are you going to make?
Probably a couple more. Why? did you wanna get in on making one? Ill save ya’ topic. Go ahead sparky. Light one up.
Lame argument. Stop taking that child deduction and start skimping on buying Ministry albums and going to concerts. You can pay a little more taxes to the government just like Trump can.
We dont get a child credit we make too much. My salary affords me the luxury to buy ministry albums and concerts. So im not sure what point youre trying to make here. Even the few deductions we take (mortgage and school loans) still has us paying more in taxes (which were fine with) than trump because as my “lame argument” goes “our needs are met.” But still taking 2 decutions and still paying thousands in taxes (and having no problem doing so) is a quite a gap between making millions and paying 0 in taxes.