Just came on again. Haven’t seen it in awhile- forgot how crazy,bloody but plausible in some points it is.
Our house was built in 1890 so I wonder now and again what it was like than. . .
i just thought it was lame that the academy finally gave him the best picture award and it was for a remake movie. especially when hes done much much better movies in the past , some of which he did write himself. but i thought it was a classic american moment when the awards announcer said that he remade the “japanese” film infernal affairs, when it’s chinese.
speaking of movies, I’ve recently gone to see “no country for old men”, and “before the devil knows you’re dead”. i highly recommend both. now i’m waiting for “there will be blood”, and “orfanato” around christmas.
I’ve never seen “Gangs” all the way through. It just seemed too silly and melodramatic to be believable, way too over the top.
“Taxi Driver”, “Raging Bull” and “Goodfellas” are pure genius IMO. I even thought “Kundun” and “Bringing out the Dead” were above average, although they both weren’t nearly as well received as some of his older stuff.
“The Departed” was good but not great. I thought the plot really started to unravel there towards the end. It certainly didn’t deserve the best picture of the year award the academy awarded it. I am of the opinion, as are many people that the award was a pity award of sorts because an Oscar with Marty’s name on it was long overdue.
Scorsese, along with Coppola (the old dude, since his daughter is actually pretty good), could be the most overrated directors of all time.
With that said, Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, Raging Bull and Goodfellas are very good.
Scorsese, along with Coppola (the old dude, since his daughter is actually pretty good), could be the most overrated directors of all time.
With that said, Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, Raging Bull and Goodfellas are very good.
Overrated? Perhaps name-dropped too much by film nerds but I wouldn’t say overrated.
Even if Coppola directs nothing but crap until the day he dies he still directed Apocalypse Now and Godfather I and II, some of the greatest films in American cinema!
And Scorsese deserves his reputation just on the four films you mentioned alone! Go back and watch some of those tracking shots in Goodfellas and then come back and tell me that Mary is overrated…
I dont think Godfather deserves the praise it gets either…
Besides, I never said they were bad directors. Quite the opposite! However, they are routinely cited as the best directors to ever make a film and to me that is completely ludicrous. The best films of Scorsese and Coppola might be high points in film history but thats as far as praise for them should go. Therefore - they are overrated 
Ok, fair enough, but who are some better directors in your opinion?
There is no need to make a chart or list of directors based on which one is ‘better’…
But I can tell you who I think isnt overrated.
Hitchcock
Kurosawa
Bergman
to name a few, I guess…
There is no need to make a chart or list of directors based on which one is ‘better’…
But I can tell you who I think isnt overrated.
Hitchcock
Kurosawa
Bergman
to name a few, I guess…
All great directors indeed. Though if you think about it most of their films are older films from a different generation. Francis and Marty are of the boomer generation so of course you hear more praise for their films than some of the older directors.
I still would say that Francis and Marty are over-hyped rather than overrated.
along with Coppola (the old dude, since his daughter is actually pretty good).
you think that Lost in translation, virgin suicides, and marie antoinette hold more ground than apocalypse now, godfather(1&2), the conversation etc? i know he did some crappy movies as well, but wow. i do however agree with your non overrated director list and would def add werner herzog to it. i think repugnant pete got it right with the “hyped” opinion.
Oh god come on…Gangs is the ultimate in pish technology…everyone knows the greatest film ever made is Bad Boy Bubby!
Bladerunner is pretty cool though and as Jizzim said although it’s flawed it’s still a killer as far as sci-fi goes.
I’d have to disagree on the bad boy bubby being the greatest film ever made, as disturbing as it is. I’d go with Requiem for a dream, beautifully directed, yet depressing film.
Good call on the Moebius/Dan O’ Bannon ties, there’s an old strip from Heavy Metal around the late 70’s called “The Long Tomorrow” that they worked on which reads like a blue print for Bladerunner. As for the films flaws, I must say Ridley’s new final cut (or whatever the hell cut this one is) actually took care of a few minor bits that bugged me, one of the best changes being Roy’s dialog with Tyrell from “I want more life fucker” to “I want more life father.” Which is what it should have been in the first place. Minor alterations but overall they add up and make it even better. They screened the new cut out here for a week. It was a digital print so I was skeptical but it looked beautiful, still holds up on a big screen all these years later. I’m picking up that boxed set the day it comes out. Hopefully this will lead to a re-release of the Vangelis score with all the tracks (last release was missing some of the best bits).
I remember some Hip Hop type song that came out around 89-90 that had loads of Bladerunner samples in it…i believe the song was called “Time To die”. Anyone remember the artists name???
Is this new directors cut really worth forking out for???
I was hoping the Holden scene would be back in the new cut but I’m afraid it’s not. Looks like it’s destined to remain trapped in the workprint. Thankfully that’s going to be part of the box set. Apparently it’s totally different from any other version. The final cut additions are pretty minor, extra footage at Animoid Row, dialog fix ups, all the violence from the UK cut is back in there etc. Fairly small things that add up to a more polished version. I liked it quite a bit more than Ridley’s new cut of “Alien” which seemed like he was just tossing deleted scenes back in for the hell of it which ended up mucking up the pacing (did we really need to see Ripley and Lambert’s cat fight?).
Yeah I love Moebius. Arzach, The Incal, his work is brilliant. His collaborations with Jodorowsky are amazing too. Corben’s great, especially Den and Mutant World. His old horror comics were always a good read. Have you read Liberatore’s Ranxerox? That’s one of my favorites from the old Metal Hurlant days, it’s about as grimy as comics got circa 1983, great stuff.
Too bad these days Heavy Metal has become down right mediocre.
I’m going to the final cut tonight or tomorrow. I don’t know if I’ve seen Bladerunner since I saw the last director’s cut back in the early 90s. I’m excited to see the new print.
Enjoy.
This film always puts me in the mood for Tsung Tao which is the Chinese beer Deck picks up at the street kiosk bar run by the woman with the eye patch.
Good shit.
The eye patch seems appropriate- [laugh] Gives it that certain edge.
We watched this in History class in the 10th grade. It was pretty cool.
The Departed was a remake of an already shitty asian film.
The Departed is HIGHLY overrated, predictable hollywood shit, only Scorcese has his masterful gifts for direction and the connections to the best script writers out there.
That’s what made it work so well.
But Ray Winstone is a fucking badass in that movie, and it really helped his career take a turn for the better now, and it only took like 20 years for that to happen.
IMO Taxi Driver is Scorceses masterpiece, i can relate to that film SO much with how lonelyness can affect a person to the point of insanity.
I’m on coke and i only really post when i’m high on drugs.
While I’m off topic with Ridley Scott and his work I’d like to give a mad props to Alien. An awesome film about birth, struggle, and survival of the fittest. Tho Giger’s work in designing Alien was limited to certain concpets ( Moebius + Ron Cobb also did contribs ) his impact was so very central. Alien is teeming with examples of his biomechanical forms - shapes, contours, and things never fully discernible as either organic or tech in origin resembling a portentous combo of both. You can almost sense a very fetish-like free floating sexuality to Giger’s imagery which clearly fascinates me to no end. Think about it - at the time for a really big budget Hollywood film Alien is really quite perverse: the movie is saturated with a pornographic phalicism which is always associated with death. The contours of the space jockey’s derelict vessel suggest giant testicles, it’s entryways vag openings, it’s labyrinth interior a moist, uterus-like womb. The crew members Kane, Dallas, and Lambert entrance into the dark recesses of the derelicts egg chamber is a sort of penetration. Symbolic as fuck.
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Godamn. This will probably be the ONLY time I say this but I agree whole heartedly with Jizzwad. which makes me think maybe I should rethink my whole approach to this movie.
Giger’s art work, whether it’s the alien or not, is filled with phallic imagery. He completely combines death with sex. However, instead of being necro-ish I think it has more to do with the disgustingness of both life and death. Crazy how he can make some pictures so utterly grotesque that they are beautiful. Or take such a benign picture and make it completey unviewable. I have a book that chronicles his career from 68-98. Crazy trippy shit in there! His early cartoons are terrifyingly crude.
Shame what’s become of this beautiful creature. Didn’t care much for the uber-macho Aliens and am rather undecided about 3 + 4. Probably should NOT have been made. Ever. Alien vs Predator is sheer rank fucking bullshit for the same dupes who worship at the Saw and Hostel altars.
Obviously don’t agree here because saw is not what you think it is. you should watch it before you comment. I won’t watch the Hostile movies so I refuse to comment. But other than that…damn…agreed
[quote]I agree with Sigourney about the Predator creature. It’s the bottom of the sewer. Period. Altho I kinda like the 1st Terminator film I’ve never been a huge Stan Winston fan. Find most of his designs to be fairly routine and uninspired shit.
He he maybe there is some good in you But I’m sure you’ll dash it…
Late,
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