- is it true that ‘Dark Side of the Spoon’ is actually a sucky album and the fact that people on prongs.org are always cockslobbering over it is proof that they’re all mentally ill?
Yes. Indubitably.
Personally, I think Spoon is amazing. Inconsistent, but amazing. Paul probably did the majority of the music while Al was in a daze and did his parts. I think from Filth Pig to Spoon, it was probably Paul running things. In 03, probably both.
You know while i was listining to spoon i was reading interviews from an old ministry site with the largest amount of darkside info and interviews and theres one with Paul were he lay’s that to rest and say’s that it goes back and forth sometimes Al had to pick up the slack and that being one of the things that made it work (spoon etc.)
I would say Spoon is a flawed album with moments of brilliance. Lots of Paul-inspired experimentalism (some of which worked better than others) mixed with enough of Al’s pop-sensibilities, geetar, and lead singer charisma to make it interesting.
However flawed it may be, I prefer it exponentially to the safe, formulaic and predictable sounds of the Bush trilogy albums. At least Spoon tried new musical directions, even if some of them were ultimately half-baked.
DARK SIDE RULEZ!!!
Well whatever type of Ministry you prefer, Dark Side has the best production quality of any Ministry release. Production quality being a sore issue for Ministry in the 00s.
Where did the time go?
why is mikey given a writing credit for ‘crumbs’ is’nt the song about him?
I’ve always wondered the same thing about Track 5 and Paul. The song title alone screams Barker.
Well voidhead looks like it’s just us asking question’s with one from Gerda and Grumpy each. I really thought there’d be more and we could have an interview akin to the MaxBrody one from a couple years ago (BTW I’ll ask some of those same question’s just to get another perspective ala ‘the Dirt’)
p.s. I made a mistake about 5 and Paul i thought that was ‘deadguy’ it’s useless and mikey does’nt have a crdit for lyrics in ‘crumbs’ he played gtr on it maybe al did the lyrics last it’s just with stuff like this:
Also for those who don’t know this is THE STORY of TV 3
On August 29, 1995, during the making of Filth Pig, Al Jourgensen was busted for possession of controlled substances at the Ministry “compound”, a bunch of buildings about 50 miles from Austin, Texas (formerly a brothel for oil tycoons). Al was planning to return to Chicago to complete the new album, when police, acting on a tip, conducted a “search and seizure” (i.e., “bust”), turning up less than a gram of cocaine and less than a gram of heroin. Al was arrested and taken to jail, where he spent the night and was subsequently released the following day on a $7,000 bond. On November 20th, Al’s attorney filed a “Waiver of Arraignment”, entering the plea of “NOT GUILTY”, along with a “Motion for Discovery, Production and Inspection of Evidence”(i.e., “let’s see what they’ve got on us”), as well as a “Motion to Suppress Evidence” (i.e., “maybe they didn’t conduct a PROPER bust”). After close examination of the documentation, his attorney moved to willingly enter the plea of “GUILTY” (i.e., “we’re fucked”).
On December 11th, a plea bargain was submitted to the court with the following terms:
(1) 1 - 5 years State Jail - DEFERRED Adjudication (i.e., if Al screws up, he goes to jail)
(2) $1000.00 fine (payable at $50/month)
(3) $40/month Probation Fee for the length of the Probation period
(4) $144.50 Court Cost
(5) $140.00 Restitution Fee (payable at $20/month to the lab that “analyzed” the dope)
Al has been placed on probation for 5 years. Some of the terms of his probation are:
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Avoid injurious or vicious habits including the use and/or possession of controlled substances and/or alcoholic beverages unless prescribed pursuant to a lawful prescription.
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Avoid places of disreputable or harmful character including, but not limited to, places where alcoholic beverages are sold, served or delivered, except bonafide eating establishments.
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Submit for testing, including, but not limited to, the providing of urine, breath and/or blood samples, to the Probation Officer or any other department with courtesy supervision jurisdiction for the detection of controlled substances, dangerous drugs, marijuana and/or alcohol.
In addition to his 5 year probation, he must provide proof of status and completion of a Methadone Program (i.e., get hooked on Methadone, which is even MORE ADDICTIVE), and at that completion receive a Drug/Alcohol assessment for possible further treatment. The only saving grace in all of this, is that Al is permitted to report to his Probation Officer through the mail.
Who tipped off the police? And why?
ON THE SAME DAY AL WAS BUSTED, Mike Scaccia was busted at a Wal-Mart for heroin possession. He was originally confronted because he resembled an armed-robbery suspect and he was carrying a case that they thought might contain a gun. When they opened the case, they found heroin instead. Mike was arrested and then released on $2,500 bail. His court case is still pending.
Mike Scaccia is NO LONGER with Ministry.
Al has relocated back to Chicago. There’s a rat in every barn.
This is circa 1995
But they worked it out maybe he can do the same with paul and Bill
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I remember all that stuff (about the drug busts with Al and Mikey) back at that time. What was that originally posted in?
And yeah, there was no Mikey at the Filth Pig show I went to (but it was still a phenomenal gig).
As some of you know i live in tulsa,OK (so does killface) I keep finding stuff about there gig in Tulsa '96 (also i guess it’s documented in FIX with this making al paranoid) and Nazi’s:
Tear-gas in Tulsa during Sphinc-tour
It all hit the fan during Just One Fix: I was crouched down in my unusually cramped quarters behind the synth rig, when I noticed an extreme irritation in my eyes, and a shortness of breath. It is not unusual for all of the smoke that is blowing out of the smoke machines right next to me to do this, but this irritation felt different than that. Very soon after noticing the discomfort, I became nauseous, and a headache developed with an extraordinary rapidity. After the song, the band left the stage, which was unexpected, because it was only the sixth song of their 11 song set. So what does it all mean?
Tear Gas Grenade. Lit off, most likely, by white power activists. The entire venue was cleared out, until the few industrial fans (machinery, not ticket holders) present had a chance to recirculate all of the air and drive the irritant away, out into the Oklahoma atmosphere. Meanwhile, Rey had collapsed outside of the venue by the bus. Thirty minutes passed, after which most of the audience were allowed back in, and Rey did his heroic best to hobble through an abridged set. The Wichita gig, scheduled for the following day, is canceled. Rey is in the hospital. Sorry Wichita. All I can say is: “Nazi Punks, Fuck Off!!!”
The funny part about all of this (and Gerta might have have heard about this gig) Is i later found out it was my asshole mexican buddy that opened that canister just to be an asshole in the pit and thoae poor nazi’s got the blame
As some of you know i live in tulsa,OK (so does killface) I keep finding stuff about there gig in Tulsa '96 (also i guess it’s documented in FIX with this making al paranoid) and Nazi’s:
I can’t remember what took place where, but there’s like Nazi marches in the city at one of the tour stops. And yeah, the crap with the tear gas bomb and such did nothing but magnify Al’s already growing paranoia (or can we really even call it paranoia these days in the wake of these types of incidents, Dimebag’s slaying, etc.?)
I really liked his theory about wearing funny hats to disorient a would-be shooter so s/he could not easily line up a head shot. Made sense to me.
The funny part about all of this (and Gerta might have have heard about this gig) Is i later found out it was my asshole mexican buddy that opened that canister just to be an asshole in the pit and thoae poor nazi’s got the blame
Is this Duane talking or Destructo? One of you needs to screen your friends a little better. How dare you guys give Nazis a bad name? HAHA!!
It’s Destructo I had heard the crew was scrambling to get duane out of there as they thought a nazi attack was immenent and yeah, It was this stop with the nazi march going on but in the end it was just some drunk mexican punk-rocker trying to be an asshole (he’s a fan btw) I’ll never understand why but it seems to be documented alot of places. they made a comment about it when they played the ballroom again in '03
Bonus
Tour Quotes from '92-93
M. Scaccia: Daaaaddy what time are we leavin’
L. Svitek: What’s uuup Curly bro? what time are we leavin’
R. King:Honest laddy it’s only speed
W. Rieflin: Ohh,gaad I hate doin TV (song)
P. Barker: Wait!..Oh that’s fucked up!
R. Barker: Curly, Argh hmm uh, I think i need to see a dr.
C. Connely: Anyone like tae’ get me high?
DSOTS is fucking great. the low end on that record will liquefy the shit in your bowels. the live shows supporting them had an air of…rock bottom, i guess. i was going through some unpleasantness. this whole vibe of that record, tour, and my life gelled into bottomed out…gel…thing.
i would not change it.
I really liked his theory about wearing funny hats to disorient a would-be shooter so s/he could not easily line up a head shot. Made sense to me.
or just another reason to wear a hat all the time…
This is amazing stuff.
I don’t have too many questions about anything I’d like answered, but I’m with Gunnar. Stories (like THESE) are always a blast.